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Postby Finium » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:15 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Finium wrote:Could we get the other parties to drop the Commies if we brought in another party?

Probably not, because then the R-G would leave and the Lib Dems consider anyone to the right of us including the NCP a no-no.

Those darn lib dem...
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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:54 pm

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Wolfmanne wrote:Probably not, because then the R-G would leave and the Lib Dems consider anyone to the right of us including the NCP a no-no.

Those darn lib dem...


I don't think you are seen as an important party anymore since you have very few active members. Therefor there is no numbers incentive to drop any left party for you.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:04 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:Probably not, because then the R-G would leave and the Lib Dems consider anyone to the right of us including the NCP a no-no.


Not really. We'd be happy working with the LFP and the CFE and such, but we've pretty much got the coalition sorted so it'd be kinda pointless to ruin it all to include a party which is in it's death throes.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:06 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Probably not, because then the R-G would leave and the Lib Dems consider anyone to the right of us including the NCP a no-no.


Not really. We'd be happy working with the LFP and the CFE and such, but we've pretty much got the coalition sorted so it'd be kinda pointless to ruin it all to include a party which is in it's death throes.


I was trying to put it gently :lol2: but yes it does seem that way.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:13 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Probably not, because then the R-G would leave and the Lib Dems consider anyone to the right of us including the NCP a no-no.


Not really. We'd be happy working with the LFP and the CFE and such, but we've pretty much got the coalition sorted so it'd be kinda pointless to ruin it all to include a party which is in it's death throes.

The Communists and R-G have strongly opposed the P-C or anyone joining and from the Lib Dems I've talked with they view a coalition with anyone to the right of them would drive away the R-G and the Communists, meaning that they wouldn't be able to form a highly probable majority government.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:18 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:The Communists and R-G have strongly opposed the P-C or anyone joining and from the Lib Dems I've talked with they view a coalition with anyone to the right of them would drive away the R-G and the Communists, meaning that they wouldn't be able to form a highly probable majority government.


They know that this coalition is the only chance they have at getting into government. There's no way in hell that anyone would let them into power on their own. And anyway, I'm having sincere doubts that the coalition in it's current composition will attain the necessary votes to even get the President elected.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:20 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:The Communists and R-G have strongly opposed the P-C or anyone joining and from the Lib Dems I've talked with they view a coalition with anyone to the right of them would drive away the R-G and the Communists, meaning that they wouldn't be able to form a highly probable majority government.


They know that this coalition is the only chance they have at getting into government. There's no way in hell that anyone would let them into power on their own. And anyway, I'm having sincere doubts that the coalition in it's current composition will attain the necessary votes to even get the President elected.

I think that Yanalia has a good chance of getting elected. I'm running just to provide some fair opposition.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:24 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:
Not really. We'd be happy working with the LFP and the CFE and such, but we've pretty much got the coalition sorted so it'd be kinda pointless to ruin it all to include a party which is in it's death throes.

The Communists and R-G have strongly opposed the P-C or anyone joining and from the Lib Dems I've talked with they view a coalition with anyone to the right of them would drive away the R-G and the Communists, meaning that they wouldn't be able to form a highly probable majority government.

If the Communists and Red-Greens were willing, the Liberal Democrats would support you, but we don't want to drive the left-wing parties away. The TR probably feels the same way. We're also afraid that the Progress Coalition could split like last time and the common belief is that it occurred because of too much political diversity in the coalition.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:26 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:The Communists and R-G have strongly opposed the P-C or anyone joining and from the Lib Dems I've talked with they view a coalition with anyone to the right of them would drive away the R-G and the Communists, meaning that they wouldn't be able to form a highly probable majority government.

If the Communists and Red-Greens were willing, the Liberal Democrats would support you, but we don't want to drive the left-wing parties away. The TR probably feels the same way. We're also afraid that the Progress Coalition could split like last time and the common belief is that it occurred because of too much political diversity in the coalition.

Thanks Geil for confirming and I hope that the P-C and the Lib Dems will work together in the future of Aurentina.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:36 pm

I'd just like to confirm Geilinor's statement is the position of the coalition, and that personally I also echo Wolfmanne's statement about working together.
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Postby The Realm of God » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:36 am

The Communists are bluffing they have less active members than we do. The intellectual heart of the Party (FreeSoc and Trotskylvania) just don't care anymore. I'm pretty sure that we could meet with the Reform Party, Center Party, New Social Party and that new conservative party and form a coalition
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Postby Yanalia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:22 am

The Realm of God wrote:The Communists are bluffing they have less active members than we do. The intellectual heart of the Party (FreeSoc and Trotskylvania) just don't care anymore. I'm pretty sure that we could meet with the Reform Party, Center Party, New Social Party and that new conservative party and form a coalition


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Postby Kalmath » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:45 am

I write to you today to offer you a proposition, we, the parties who are not members of progress coalition, will form a more broad coalition. One of compromise and success, I hope that you all will agree to help me negotiate on a platform and a candidate we can all get behind and support fully. Please TG me back if you are willing to, at this point, negotiate on a platform for the party and perhaps even join. If you respond, respond with a list of candidates you are willing to back, and I will soon reply with a our new Coalition's broad platform and potential candidates for you to critic and hopefully agree to.

I originally sent this message to Realm of God and he told me to appeal to the party directly, so here I am. Will you participate in a right Coalition?
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Postby Bleckonia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:26 pm

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Postby Devont » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:48 pm

Umm Hi I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I was thinking of joining the NSG senate and this political party in particular but I just wanted to know one thing involving this parties political view...

"Education

The Progressive-Conservative Party strongly supports a public education system, as being the main way in which equality of opportunity can be achieved.

No expense should be spared from creating a high quality, public system accessible to all and one which provides to best quality education to all citizens.

The Progressive-Conservative Party opposes religious instruction in public schools."

While I agree that religion shouldn't be taught in the public classroom I also think that it shouldn't be compulsory to learn about evolution in the classroom if the individual student feels it undermines or even offends their religion I just wanted to know if this particular political view is too extreme for this party or if it is acceptable.

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Postby Evraim » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:56 pm

Devont wrote:While I agree that religion shouldn't be taught in the public classroom I also think that it shouldn't be compulsory to learn about evolution in the classroom if the individual student feels it undermines or even offends their religion I just wanted to know if this particular political view is too extreme for this party or if it is acceptable.

I think that declining to educate students on established scientific theories would detract from our educational system. All people are entitled to their own opinions. I would not support legislation stating that everyone must embrace the argument that the Earth is round, but I wouldn't accept our educational system ignoring Magellan either. As such, I feel, as a student of biology and science, that quality education should be compulsory, at least in the context of our public educational system. Private schools, on the other hand...

Also, what happened to the Provisional Criminal Code? It isn't included on the list of passed resolutions. This could mean that murder is still legal, in which case I would urge the president to declare a state of martial law.
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Postby Devont » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:06 pm

Evraim wrote:
Devont wrote:While I agree that religion shouldn't be taught in the public classroom I also think that it shouldn't be compulsory to learn about evolution in the classroom if the individual student feels it undermines or even offends their religion I just wanted to know if this particular political view is too extreme for this party or if it is acceptable.

I think that declining to educate students on established scientific theories would detract from our educational system. All people are entitled to their own opinions. I would not support legislation stating that everyone must embrace the argument that the Earth is round, but I wouldn't accept our educational system ignoring Magellan either. As such, I feel, as a student of biology and science, that quality education should be compulsory, at least in the context of our public educational system. Private schools, on the other hand...

Also, what happened to the Provisional Criminal Code? It isn't included on the list of passed resolutions. This could mean that murder is still legal, in which case I would urge the president to declare a state of martial law.


I'm not saying that Evolution should no longer be taught I'm just saying that students should be able to opt out if they feel the course is offensive or degrading however I'm also not saying religion should be taught in a public school

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Postby Evraim » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:24 pm

Devont wrote:I'm not saying that Evolution should no longer be taught I'm just saying that students should be able to opt out if they feel the course is offensive or degrading however I'm also not saying religion should be taught in a public school

I understand. I'm asking if you would permit students to opt out of history or geography classes as well. I see no reason to make allowances for those who disagree with basic theoretical principles. If the parents have such strong objections to the theory of evolution, the burden should be on them to instruct children in their own paradigm. We are not in the business of encouraging the rejection of such theories. Naturally, a number of my colleagues may object to my arguments, but I've said my piece.

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Postby Devont » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:32 pm

Evraim wrote:
Devont wrote:I'm not saying that Evolution should no longer be taught I'm just saying that students should be able to opt out if they feel the course is offensive or degrading however I'm also not saying religion should be taught in a public school

I understand. I'm asking if you would permit students to opt out of history or geography classes as well. I see no reason to make allowances for those who disagree with basic theoretical principles. If the parents have such strong objections to the theory of evolution, the burden should be on them to instruct children in their own paradigm. We are not in the business of encouraging the rejection of such theories. Naturally, a number of my colleagues may object to my arguments, but I've said my piece.


Okay I understand what you mean but I feel that Evolution is in a very different category than say geography but I can understand why people disagree with me. Well if this opinion of mine ends up conflicting with the parties I would be willing to abstain on a proposal if applicable under the party rules of voting.

Also, I have been approved as a Senator so it's up to whoever is in charge of accepting candidates to accept my application if they so choose at this point.

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Postby Evraim » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:58 pm

Devont wrote:Also, I have been approved as a Senator so it's up to whoever is in charge of accepting candidates to accept my application if they so choose at this point.

Shälóm kämäräd(en). I eagerly await your acceptance.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:26 pm

Devont wrote:Umm Hi I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I was thinking of joining the NSG senate and this political party in particular but I just wanted to know one thing involving this parties political view...

"Education

The Progressive-Conservative Party strongly supports a public education system, as being the main way in which equality of opportunity can be achieved.

No expense should be spared from creating a high quality, public system accessible to all and one which provides to best quality education to all citizens.

The Progressive-Conservative Party opposes religious instruction in public schools."

While I agree that religion shouldn't be taught in the public classroom I also think that it shouldn't be compulsory to learn about evolution in the classroom if the individual student feels it undermines or even offends their religion I just wanted to know if this particular political view is too extreme for this party or if it is acceptable.

The platform is slightly outdated. It is being changed on the new thread, with the input of members of the party. We can make exceptions for you if you want, but I'll just say that as a religious person myself, I support theistic evolution.
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