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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:39 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.


So there's no clauses on whether or not people can walk around in public with a firearm or discharge one in public if they are not a member of government agencies?


I can add that in.

And how come only assault rifles require a government permit?


Because purchasers of other weapons will get a background check. A permit is just a double check by the government.

And why is there a life sentence? Why not something like a minimum of 10 years and then six months added on for each firearm for 1a?


I can add that in, too.
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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:43 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Othelos wrote:Like a limit on the size of a paramilitary and allow them to have weapons like ordinary citizens? I suppose.

Can you link Realm's bill?

viewtopic.php?p=14344980#p14344980

And now I'll make it official:
I am seeking the Justice ministry.

Thanks.
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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 8:15 pm

Updated version:

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be a fine of 10,000 NSC to 30,000 NSC and/or 10 years and six months and 5,000 NSC for each weapon illegally sold, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age. Sellers under age 18 will have to pay a fine of 2,500 NSC for each weapon sold.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses, organizations, or persons that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation. Failure to comply with this section will result in a fine of anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 NSC, with 5,000 NSC added for each weapon improperly sold.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act. However, a citizen may not carry any arms in public areas (excluding gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas). If a citizen violates this section, he or she can face anything from a 5,000 to 50,000 NSC fine, depending on the type and number of weapons. If a weapon is discharged or used in a public area other than gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas, a fine of the same range on top of 10 years imprisonment may be sentenced.

Section B: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000 NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1. Paramilitaries are permitted to contain up to 1500 people and possess weapons that comply with sections A1 and D1.

2a. Paramilitaries that contain over 1500 people, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these firearms in a secure, secret location, if they comply with section A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with section A1 and D1 will be destroyed.

2b. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

2c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons and must give their weapons up for secret and secure storage to the government. They shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization, and the government must destroy all weapons of owners found guilty.

3. Once a paramilitary containing over 1500 people has been reduced to 1500 people, the government must return confiscated weapons to members and ex-members.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization of people that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue May 07, 2013 8:18 pm

Internal Security Force Bill (2013)
Co-drafted by: Costa Alegria and Wolfmanne || Urgency: High
Co-sponsors: Progressive-Conservative Party(?), Britcan (TR, possible)


Preamble
The security of our nation is a top priority for the government and the Senate. Election to the Senate gives you the responsibility to ensure that you can hold the government to account in ensuring the safety and security of our people. However, it is not the responsibility of individual political parties to act as the judge, jury and executioner, for only multiple political parties and not just one can hold the government to account. Furthermore, we recognise that whether you support or oppose the Right to Bear Arms, in a time such as this, we need to reach a compromise until specific firearms legislation promoting or restricting the ownership of guns. In order to further the government's ability to ensure the security of this nation, we see the need for the creation of a government organisation to do just that, as evidenced by the 1st Festival of Republic, where armed right-wing paramilitaries are attempting to agitate left-wing paramilitaries into destabilising the nation.

Article 1: Formation
1a: In light of potential civil war and for use in a time of a national or regional emergency the Aurentinian National Guard is to be established under the auspices of the Ministry of the Interior.
1b: A National Guard Training Academy shall also be established with the function of training officers.
1c: Also establishes specially trained sub-forces for special operations and riot control.
1d: The National Guard shall be organised into a series of Brigades consisting of a number of Regiments from different regions.
1e: In times of war, the Nationla Guard or individual Brigades and Regiments may be drafted by the National Defense Force to provide rear security, police the military and for national defense against external threats, based upon the threat to national security this war may have. Gendarmes are to be considered a part of the military and not civilians, however whilst the Aurentinian National Guard is considered to be a military organisation, it does not come under the National Defense Force but the Ministry of the Interior, unless they have been drafted.
1d: All National Guard officers shall be accountable for their actions and subject to review by both the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Justice.
1f: Gendarmes shall have policing powers as established by the Policing and Law Enforcement Act in situations where which require the tempoary deployment of National Guard personnel or within jurisidictions that apply to the National Guard.

Article 2: Jurisdiction and Deployment
2a: The Aurentinian National Guard shall provide security of public institutions, ministries and courts, embassies and consulates international airports, national museums, nuclear power plants, riots & crowds control, publicly crowded events and our national borders.
2b: The Aurentinian National Guard shall conduct high risk arrests, disaster response, SWAT operations, the suppression of internal armed conflicts and riots, the policing of areas without a sufficient amount of civilian police, to support local constabularies and counter-terrorism operations.
2c: Herein also decrees that the National Guard shall assist the Police, Emergency Medical Services and the Fire Service in times of natural or man-made disaster.

Article 3: Uniforms and Equipment
3a: All members of the National Guard shall have three primary uniforms: Dress, Operational and Ceremonial.
3b: Operational uniforms shall consist of a standard red beret, black bulletproof vest and belt kit (both of which should not intrude into how the officer moves), a khaki green polo shirt and light khaki button shirt along with accompanying jersey and cargo pants as well as black combat boots.
3c: Mandating that all National Guard officers on duty may carry the following equipment:
[*]One pair of handcuffs.
[*]One telescopic baton.
[*]One can of CS spray.
[*]One personal radio set.
[*]The badge of the National Guard.
Additionally, it shall be mandated that all National Guard officers shall have the minimum of one firearm per officer with spare ammunition as the officer sees fit.
3d: Mandating that all National Guard officers use firearms that use the same calibre of ammunition as both the National Defense Force and the National Police Force. Officers may also use firearms seized from criminals and paramilitaries as long as they comply with safety regulations and are military grade or the equivalent.
3e: Herein forbids officers to use firearms which are temporarily seized from their owners or garishly decorated.
3f: Recommending that the National Guard adopt a standardised vehicle for their respective tasks.
3g: Mandating that all non-combat vehicles carry a green and white livery with blue lights. Mandating that all combat vehicles carry a dark green livery with white letters and orange hazard lights.
3h: Allowing National Guard officers to use non-combat and combat ground vehicles in operations.
3i: Allowing National Guard officers the use of seized or captured non-combat and combat vehicles.
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Postby Aeken » Tue May 07, 2013 8:19 pm

Othelos wrote:Updated version:

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be a fine of 10,000 NSC to 30,000 NSC and/or 10 years and six months and 5,000 NSC for each weapon illegally sold, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age. Sellers under age 18 will have to pay a fine of 2,500 NSC for each weapon sold.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses, organizations, or persons that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation. Failure to comply with this section will result in a fine of anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 NSC, with 5,000 NSC added for each weapon improperly sold.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act. However, a citizen may not carry any arms in public areas (excluding gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas). If a citizen violates this section, he or she can face anything from a 5,000 to 50,000 NSC fine, depending on the type and number of weapons. If a weapon is discharged or used in a public area other than gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas, a fine of the same range on top of 10 years imprisonment may be sentenced.

Section B: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000 NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1. Paramilitaries are permitted to contain up to 1500 people and possess weapons that comply with sections A1 and D1.

2a. Paramilitaries that contain over 1500 people, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these firearms in a secure, secret location, if they comply with section A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with section A1 and D1 will be destroyed.

2b. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

2c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons and must give their weapons up for secret and secure storage to the government. They shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization, and the government must destroy all weapons of owners found guilty.

3. Once a paramilitary containing over 1500 people has been reduced to 1500 people, the government must return confiscated weapons to members and ex-members.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization of people that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.

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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 8:24 pm

Aeken wrote:
Othelos wrote:Updated version:

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be a fine of 10,000 NSC to 30,000 NSC and/or 10 years and six months and 5,000 NSC for each weapon illegally sold, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age. Sellers under age 18 will have to pay a fine of 2,500 NSC for each weapon sold.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses, organizations, or persons that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation. Failure to comply with this section will result in a fine of anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 NSC, with 5,000 NSC added for each weapon improperly sold.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act. However, a citizen may not carry any arms in public areas (excluding gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas). If a citizen violates this section, he or she can face anything from a 5,000 to 50,000 NSC fine, depending on the type and number of weapons. If a weapon is discharged or used in a public area other than gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas, a fine of the same range on top of 10 years imprisonment may be sentenced.

Section B: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000 NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1. Paramilitaries are permitted to contain up to 1500 people and possess weapons that comply with sections A1 and D1.

2a. Paramilitaries that contain over 1500 people, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these firearms in a secure, secret location, if they comply with section A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with section A1 and D1 will be destroyed.

2b. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

2c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons and must give their weapons up for secret and secure storage to the government. They shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization, and the government must destroy all weapons of owners found guilty.

3. Once a paramilitary containing over 1500 people has been reduced to 1500 people, the government must return confiscated weapons to members and ex-members.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization of people that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.

I seriously love this thing to death. Thank you, Othelos. :hug:

Anytime! Lanos helped a lot, too.

I don't understand why people would rather fight than compromise (unless it's something really crazy/unreasonable).

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Internal Security Force Bill (2013)
Co-drafted by: Costa Alegria and Wolfmanne || Urgency: High
Co-sponsors: Progressive-Conservative Party(?), Britcan (TR, possible)


Preamble
The security of our nation is a top priority for the government and the Senate. Election to the Senate gives you the responsibility to ensure that you can hold the government to account in ensuring the safety and security of our people. However, it is not the responsibility of individual political parties to act as the judge, jury and executioner, for only multiple political parties and not just one can hold the government to account. Furthermore, we recognise that whether you support or oppose the Right to Bear Arms, in a time such as this, we need to reach a compromise until specific firearms legislation promoting or restricting the ownership of guns. In order to further the government's ability to ensure the security of this nation, we see the need for the creation of a government organisation to do just that, as evidenced by the 1st Festival of Republic, where armed right-wing paramilitaries are attempting to agitate left-wing paramilitaries into destabilising the nation.

Article 1: Formation
1a: In light of potential civil war and for use in a time of a national or regional emergency the Aurentinian National Guard is to be established under the auspices of the Ministry of the Interior.
1b: A National Guard Training Academy shall also be established with the function of training officers.
1c: Also establishes specially trained sub-forces for special operations and riot control.
1d: The National Guard shall be organised into a series of Brigades consisting of a number of Regiments from different regions.
1e: In times of war, the Nationla Guard or individual Brigades and Regiments may be drafted by the National Defense Force to provide rear security, police the military and for national defense against external threats, based upon the threat to national security this war may have. Gendarmes are to be considered a part of the military and not civilians, however whilst the Aurentinian National Guard is considered to be a military organisation, it does not come under the National Defense Force but the Ministry of the Interior, unless they have been drafted.
1d: All National Guard officers shall be accountable for their actions and subject to review by both the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Justice.
1f: Gendarmes shall have policing powers as established by the Policing and Law Enforcement Act in situations where which require the tempoary deployment of National Guard personnel or within jurisidictions that apply to the National Guard.

Article 2: Jurisdiction and Deployment
2a: The Aurentinian National Guard shall provide security of public institutions, ministries and courts, embassies and consulates international airports, national museums, nuclear power plants, riots & crowds control, publicly crowded events and our national borders.
2b: The Aurentinian National Guard shall conduct high risk arrests, disaster response, SWAT operations, the suppression of internal armed conflicts and riots, the policing of areas without a sufficient amount of civilian police, to support local constabularies and counter-terrorism operations.
2c: Herein also decrees that the National Guard shall assist the Police, Emergency Medical Services and the Fire Service in times of natural or man-made disaster.

Article 3: Uniforms and Equipment
3a: All members of the National Guard shall have three primary uniforms: Dress, Operational and Ceremonial.
3b: Operational uniforms shall consist of a standard red beret, black bulletproof vest and belt kit (both of which should not intrude into how the officer moves), a khaki green polo shirt and light khaki button shirt along with accompanying jersey and cargo pants as well as black combat boots.
3c: Mandating that all National Guard officers on duty may carry the following equipment:
[*]One pair of handcuffs.
[*]One telescopic baton.
[*]One can of CS spray.
[*]One personal radio set.
[*]The badge of the National Guard.
Additionally, it shall be mandated that all National Guard officers shall have the minimum of one firearm per officer with spare ammunition as the officer sees fit.
3d: Mandating that all National Guard officers use firearms that use the same calibre of ammunition as both the National Defense Force and the National Police Force. Officers may also use firearms seized from criminals and paramilitaries as long as they comply with safety regulations and are military grade or the equivalent.
3e: Herein forbids officers to use firearms which are temporarily seized from their owners or garishly decorated.
3f: Recommending that the National Guard adopt a standardised vehicle for their respective tasks.
3g: Mandating that all non-combat vehicles carry a green and white livery with blue lights. Mandating that all combat vehicles carry a dark green livery with white letters and orange hazard lights.
3h: Allowing National Guard officers to use non-combat and combat ground vehicles in operations.
3i: Allowing National Guard officers the use of seized or captured non-combat and combat vehicles.

This has my support.
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Postby Aeken » Tue May 07, 2013 8:26 pm

Othelos wrote:
Aeken wrote:I seriously love this thing to death. Thank you, Othelos. :hug:

Anytime!

I don't understand why people would rather fight than compromise.

Eh, it's politics. Compromises are bound to not happen. But there are exceptions.

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Aeken wrote:
Othelos wrote:Anytime!

I don't understand why people would rather fight than compromise.

Eh, it's politics. Compromises are bound to not happen. But there are exceptions.

True, true. Like this bill!
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue May 07, 2013 8:28 pm

Othelos and I did this because we saw that fighting was not going to save this country.

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Aeken wrote:Eh, it's politics. Compromises are bound to not happen. But there are exceptions.

True, true. Like this bill!

Have you presented it to the paramilitary parties yet?

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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue May 07, 2013 8:29 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:Othelos and I did this because we saw that fighting was not going to save this country.


And now you have. Hooray. Finish the circle-jerk already. It's getting tiresome.
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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 8:30 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:Othelos and I did this because we saw that fighting was not going to save this country.

Yeah, I'm worried that without a compromise on this issue, the Senate could split.

Aeken wrote:
Othelos wrote:True, true. Like this bill!

Have you presented it to the paramilitary parties yet?

Nope, I'll do it now.
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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 8:42 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Othelos and I did this because we saw that fighting was not going to save this country.


And now you have. Hooray. Finish the circle-jerk already. It's getting tiresome.

Why shouldn't we be able to celebrate finishing an important bill?
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue May 07, 2013 8:50 pm

Othelos wrote:Why shouldn't we be able to celebrate finishing an important bill?


Because there are two other bills like that floating around and this is just caving into extremists. But, sorry for ruining the cum-fest.
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Postby Aeken » Tue May 07, 2013 8:52 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Othelos wrote:Why shouldn't we be able to celebrate finishing an important bill?


Because there are two other bills like that floating around and this is just caving into extremists. But, sorry for ruining the cum-fest.

I dunno.
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Othelos wrote:Would you guys support this bill as a compromise?

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be a fine of 10,000 NSC to 30,000 NSC and/or 10 years and six months and 5,000 NSC for each weapon illegally sold, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age. Sellers under age 18 will have to pay a fine of 2,500 NSC for each weapon sold.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses, organizations, or persons that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation. Failure to comply with this section will result in a fine of anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 NSC, with 5,000 NSC added for each weapon improperly sold.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act. However, a citizen may not carry any arms in public areas (excluding gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas). If a citizen violates this section, he or she can face anything from a 5,000 to 50,000 NSC fine, depending on the type and number of weapons. If a weapon is discharged or used in a public area other than gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas, a fine of the same range on top of 10 years imprisonment may be sentenced.

Section B: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000 NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1. Paramilitaries are permitted to contain up to 1500 people and possess weapons that comply with sections A1 and D1.

2a. Paramilitaries that contain over 1500 people, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these firearms in a secure, secret location, if they comply with section A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with section A1 and D1 will be destroyed.

2b. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

2c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons and must give their weapons up for secret and secure storage to the government. They shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization, and the government must destroy all weapons of owners found guilty.

3. Once a paramilitary containing over 1500 people has been reduced to 1500 people, the government must return confiscated weapons to members and ex-members.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization of people that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.

Why the laws around body armor? And the possibility of life imprisonment for using it seems a bit much.

One member is a bit opposed, so I wouldn't call it caving in.

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Costa Alegria wrote:
Othelos wrote:Why shouldn't we be able to celebrate finishing an important bill?


Because there are two other bills like that floating around and this is just caving into extremists.

Isn't that the point of compromise? And on this issue we don't have a clear majority, so compromise is necessary.

But, sorry for ruining the cum-fest.


O...kay?
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue May 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Aeken wrote:One member is a bit opposed, so I wouldn't call it caving in.


Two, because there is no way in hell I'm voting for any legislation that allows assault rifles to be sold to the general public.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue May 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Othelos wrote:Why shouldn't we be able to celebrate finishing an important bill?


Because there are two other bills like that floating around and this is just caving into extremists. But, sorry for ruining the cum-fest.

Do you have to post like things like this?

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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue May 07, 2013 9:00 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:Do you have to post like things like this?


Nothing stopping me from doing so now is there?

Othelos wrote:Isn't that the point of compromise? And on this issue we don't have a clear majority, so compromise is necessary.


There was no need to compromise and we had a majority. Most people supported gun control and the disbandment of paramilitaries. A few people decided to kick up a bit of shit and as a result, we have this bill. Proof that democracy, apparently, is decided through the barrel of a gun.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue May 07, 2013 9:01 pm

When did I become senior whip? 0_o

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Mike the Progressive wrote:When did I become senior whip? 0_o


Since Imperiatom decided to go apeshit over communists and invoked the wrath of moderation.
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Mike the Progressive wrote:When did I become senior whip? 0_o


Since Imperiatom decided to go apeshit over communists and invoked the wrath of moderation.


Huh.

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Postby Imperiatom » Tue May 07, 2013 10:04 pm

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Makaivellia wrote:I don't know if its just me.. But I feel like having firearm companies implement a background check on all of its customers is the same thing as having each individual go through a background check?
Wouldn't it just be eaiser to make getting a license to own a firearm more vigerous? Because it sounds like this law is just having a background check for each weapon sold per individual for example Would you have to do two background checks to buy two guns? Sounds dumb but I feel like thats what the law is asking for . Correct me if I am wrong.
Plus would the background check be a screening by a doctor or just the company looking at wether the customer has issues? I feel the companies would rather just look at the history than rather screen each person(s) purchasing a firearm.
I wouldn't endorse this to be honest.. It just seems like it could be easily bypassed. If the smate is to pass a gun law it should at least pass a strong one.
I say until the party (as a whole) can come up with a strong proposal that has been agreed upon and revised by the majority of the party. The issue should be left alone.
But.. That is just me.


Th background check is implemented on a purchase-by-purchase basis, not an item-by-item basis, you would have a background check each time you actually made a transaction, not now many guns you've purchased. There is no liscensing for gun-ownership currently, so making something that doesn't exist stinger is pretty pointless, not to mention the uphill battle that would have to be fought by requiring licenses would be pretty brutal, this bill bypasses that battle. However, I do think that there is a way to splice the doctor issue with this bill, we can add a section specifying that doctors must report any disability that would affect gun ownership to the government, so that we can have the best of both worlds here.


A government licencing program such would be a much cheaper alternative in the style of a driving licence.

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Postby Pragia » Tue May 07, 2013 10:09 pm

Hello progcons, I'm sorry for jumping the gun a bit, but seeing as the election is closed in about an hour, I can safely assume that Alaje will be the opposition to Aeken. I am running as vice president to Alaje and am here asking for support. This is a type of party that I feel has little place in siding with the Progress Coalition, seeing as this is the same group that encompasses Stalinists and Socialists, and I believe that Alaje should recieve support in order to make sure that a nationalization agenda doesnt dominate the senate.

I do hope you consider your position and look at who you're voting for.
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Postby Imperiatom » Tue May 07, 2013 10:19 pm

Pragia wrote:Hello progcons, I'm sorry for jumping the gun a bit, but seeing as the election is closed in about an hour, I can safely assume that Alaje will be the opposition to Aeken. I am running as vice president to Alaje and am here asking for support. This is a type of party that I feel has little place in siding with the Progress Coalition, seeing as this is the same group that encompasses Stalinists and Socialists, and I believe that Alaje should recieve support in order to make sure that a nationalization agenda doesnt dominate the senate.

I do hope you consider your position and look at who you're voting for.
Sincerely, Senator Pragia, CFE


If you have a concrete offer for us then please make it be known. Wolfmanne is vice president to Aeken so if you want to win our party over you will have to come up with a very good offer to entice us away. Your offer will need to equal what we have currently at a minimum. You have little hope of winning currently so think carefully. How far are you willing to go to make your desires a reality?
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