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Postby Costa Alegria » Mon May 06, 2013 9:58 pm

Othelos wrote:
Finium wrote:The business plan (my draft) as opposed to the licensing plan has the advantage of being more appealing to conseratives, because it doesn't regulate the individual, only the business. Not to mention that the license program cannot combat the black-market sale of guns, but the business model keeps track of the imports and actual manufacturing, which, while not 100% effective would be great at taking a big chuck out of illegal gun sales.

This is a good idea. In Lanos' and my bill, I'm going to include this. Thanks Finium!

I really hope this bill will be something everyone can agree on. I'll post an initial draft tomorrow.


Whatever it is, I'll most likely reject but you can try anyway.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon May 06, 2013 11:19 pm

My to-do list for later:

1. Submit the new Chestaan-approved Health Care Act (Communist-approved, yet one nation conservative).
2. Work on an alternative education bill with Great Nepal (an interesting combination of the Shanghai and the German system).
3. Write the final draft of the Internal Security Act (terrorist organisations will be further defined and there will be a part regarding private security).
4. Raise Imperiatom's concerns for the Financial Act.
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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 5:35 am

Costa Alegria wrote:
Othelos wrote:This is a good idea. In Lanos' and my bill, I'm going to include this. Thanks Finium!

I really hope this bill will be something everyone can agree on. I'll post an initial draft tomorrow.


Whatever it is, I'll most likely reject but you can try anyway.

We're going to have to compromise one way or another, because who has a majority on the gun issue is a lot less clear than on other issues, since we don't have the USLP.
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Postby Finium » Tue May 07, 2013 8:01 am

I that if we, as senators and parties, signed onto this, we could easily disarm all the militias without any legislation
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue May 07, 2013 1:07 pm

Regarding the Business Accountability Act, I'm not sure what sort of whip we should issue on it. For now, consider it a temporary compassionate vote. Any opinions?
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Postby The Realm of God » Tue May 07, 2013 1:21 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:Regarding the Business Accountability Act, I'm not sure what sort of whip we should issue on it. For now, consider it a temporary compassionate vote. Any opinions?


I'd support a single line whip against, we are not market liberals but the BAA punishes businesses too harshly for infractions
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue May 07, 2013 1:58 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Regarding the Business Accountability Act, I'm not sure what sort of whip we should issue on it. For now, consider it a temporary compassionate vote. Any opinions?


I'd support a single line whip against, we are not market liberals but the BAA punishes businesses too harshly for infractions

Aye. Lanos has also voted against it. My opinion is that it punishes small businesses unfairly. Considering that Othelos is a co-sponsor, this bill is a single-line whip against, meaning that the official party line is that we oppose it, but feel free to support it if you wish.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue May 07, 2013 1:59 pm

Perhaps we need another bill to tack against it to compare/contrast like our compromise gun bill?

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Postby The Realm of God » Tue May 07, 2013 2:07 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:Perhaps we need another bill to tack against it to compare/contrast like our compromise gun bill?


Perhaps a follow up to the Small Business Assistance Act. The Independent Business Insurance Act, which offers insurance against law suits for businesses under a certain size.
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Postby The Realm of God » Tue May 07, 2013 2:53 pm

I have just re-read the Business Accountability Act and it only punishes businesses for accidents that they caused, I'm going to have to re-think my vote.
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Postby The Realm of God » Tue May 07, 2013 3:32 pm

Official party anthem perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azc2mcIiZUM
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue May 07, 2013 3:32 pm

I voted against because of certain clauses and because there was not enough deliberation in the chamber about said bill.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:10 pm

I would like to inquire about dropping my bid for the Defense ministry and switching to running for the Justice ministry.

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Postby Finium » Tue May 07, 2013 7:11 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:I would like to inquire about dropping my bid for the Defense ministry and switching to running for the Justice ministry.

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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:14 pm

Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section B: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.
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Postby The Realm of God » Tue May 07, 2013 7:17 pm

Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.



Wait a second, Hath and I drafted a reasonable compromise here.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239509&start=1825#wrap
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:17 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.



Wait a second, Hath and I drafted a reasonable compromise here.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239509&start=1825#wrap

That's on the gun bill, not the paramilitaries.

Oh wait I see...

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Postby Aeken » Tue May 07, 2013 7:22 pm

Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.

I like this one. Very, very much.

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The Realm of God wrote:
Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.



Wait a second, Hath and I drafted a reasonable compromise here.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239509&start=1825#wrap

That bill is way too broad.

Anyway, ours covers paramilitaries and gun control, all in one bill.
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Aeken wrote:
Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.

I like this one. Very, very much.

Glad to have your approval! I'm going to wait and see a few others' comments/criticisms before I post it in the coffee shop.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:24 pm

We could incorporate Realm's and Hath's proposed compromise bill into our bill?

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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:29 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:We could incorporate Realm's and Hath's proposed compromise bill into our bill?

Like a limit on the size of a paramilitary and allow them to have weapons like ordinary citizens? I suppose.

Can you link Realm's bill?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue May 07, 2013 7:31 pm

Aeken wrote:
Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.

I like this one. Very, very much.

I offer my support from the Liberal Democrats as well.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue May 07, 2013 7:31 pm

Othelos wrote:Here is Lanos' and my compromise bill. This should settle the issues we're having.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act


Urgency: Very High

Drafted by:
Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be anything from a fine of 10,000 NSC to life imprisonment, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act.

Section C: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1a. Paramilitaries, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these weapons in a secure, secret location, if they comply with sections A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with sections A1 and D1will be destroyed.

1b. This excludes former members of paramilitary organizations that were peacefully disarmed or have surrendered while such an organization was engaged in a state of belligerence against the government. Individuals shall have the right to possess their privately-owned weapons and the right to bear arms during and after the disbandment of the paramilitary organization they belonged to, as long as the weapons comply with Section 1A.

1c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons, but shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization.

2. Once a paramilitary has been disbanded, the government must return weapons to ex-members.

3. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.


So there's no clauses on whether or not people can walk around in public with a firearm or discharge one in public if they are not a member of government agencies? And how come only assault rifles require a government permit? And why is there a life sentence? Why not something like a minimum of 10 years and then six months added on for each firearm for 1a?
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue May 07, 2013 7:32 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:We could incorporate Realm's and Hath's proposed compromise bill into our bill?

Like a limit on the size of a paramilitary and allow them to have weapons like ordinary citizens? I suppose.

Can you link Realm's bill?

viewtopic.php?p=14344980#p14344980

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