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by Chestaan » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:51 pm
by Evraim » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:54 pm
Othelos wrote:Did you TG Denecaep to put the proposal up for vote? We don't need to compromise with the Communists or even the Red-Greens to get the proposal through. Most people don't agree with insane taxes.
Chestaan wrote:We are going to need the money to spend on services? Unless you don't plan on having the senate actually have any expenses. I mean, we're going to need a police and an army soon. We're also going to need to establish a justice system and we will need some sort of civil service. These things require funding.
by Irredento » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:55 pm
Imperiatom wrote:You know what i am offering you. I will not break my word, that i can promise.
by Imperiatom » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:56 pm
Othelos wrote:Imperiatom wrote:
Exactly. Murder is not even illegal yet! we have no police no civil service no hospitals or schools. we have nothing.
Did you TG Denecaep to put the proposal up for vote? We don't need to compromise with the Communists or even the Red-Greens to get the proposal through. Most people don't agree with insane taxes.
by Othelos » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:59 pm
Chestaan wrote:Othelos wrote:Until we have services to spend money on, why would we tax higher than 15%?
We are going to need the money to spend on services? Unless you don't plan on having the senate actually have any expenses. I mean, we're going to need a police and an army soon. We're also going to need to establish a justice system and we will need some sort of civil service. These things require funding.
by Chestaan » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:59 pm
Evraim wrote:Othelos wrote:Did you TG Denecaep to put the proposal up for vote? We don't need to compromise with the Communists or even the Red-Greens to get the proposal through. Most people don't agree with insane taxes.
With all due respect, I would prefer that the individual responsible for drafting the resolution telegram Denecap, and only after voting has concluded on the current proposal. If this is not acceptable, I believe that I, as an independent Senator heavily in favor of compromise, would be a cautious choice for the submission process. I'm not attached to any political party, and so the accusations that this is a partisan effort would not stick.
In any case, I would very much appreciate one more co-sponsor, preferably from a left-leaning party.Chestaan wrote:We are going to need the money to spend on services? Unless you don't plan on having the senate actually have any expenses. I mean, we're going to need a police and an army soon. We're also going to need to establish a justice system and we will need some sort of civil service. These things require funding.
Hence the compromise.
by Evraim » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:01 pm
Chestaan wrote:Is there a new draft that I'm not aware of? Because I still see the vast majority only being taxed as 15%.
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by Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:02 pm
by Chestaan » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:03 pm
Othelos wrote:Chestaan wrote:
We are going to need the money to spend on services? Unless you don't plan on having the senate actually have any expenses. I mean, we're going to need a police and an army soon. We're also going to need to establish a justice system and we will need some sort of civil service. These things require funding.
Which the 15% will do. Not to mention the 30%+ on everyone over 100K.
by Imperiatom » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:03 pm
Evraim wrote:Othelos wrote:Did you TG Denecaep to put the proposal up for vote? We don't need to compromise with the Communists or even the Red-Greens to get the proposal through. Most people don't agree with insane taxes.
With all due respect, I would prefer that the individual responsible for drafting the resolution telegram Denecap, and only after voting has concluded on the current proposal. If this is not acceptable, I believe that I, as an independent Senator heavily in favor of compromise, would be a cautious choice for the submission process. I'm not attached to any political party, and so the accusations that this is a partisan effort would not stick.
In any case, I would very much appreciate one more co-sponsor, preferably from a left-leaning party.Chestaan wrote:We are going to need the money to spend on services? Unless you don't plan on having the senate actually have any expenses. I mean, we're going to need a police and an army soon. We're also going to need to establish a justice system and we will need some sort of civil service. These things require funding.
Hence the compromise.
by Imperiatom » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:05 pm
Irredento wrote:Imperiatom wrote:You know what i am offering you. I will not break my word, that i can promise.
Yeah, I've decided. You have my vote. Looking at the alternative proposals by the communists, I'm worried that the centrists will be persuaded to vote for a future leftist tax bill if the right-wing members of the Senate, us Monarchists making up a large part of it, don't support this more moderate one. I hope that, along with the libertarians, we will be able to push a flat tax bill through at a later date but, for now, this is the lesser of two evils for us.
by Benomia » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:05 pm
by Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:06 pm
by Chestaan » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:06 pm
Evraim wrote:Chestaan wrote:Is there a new draft that I'm not aware of? Because I still see the vast majority only being taxed as 15%.
Not at the moment. Would twenty percent secure the support of the Communist Party or the Red Green Party? I'm not willing to go any higher because doing so would alienate the right-leaning political organizations, and leaves us at the risk of continuing without any funding at all.
by Imperiatom » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:06 pm
by Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:06 pm
by Vietnam » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:07 pm
Vazdania wrote:Vietnam wrote:Hahaha, no.
Why?
We of the Monarchist party are already giving up a lot by allowing such a large tax on the rich, it would be highly unjust for people to pay absolutely nothing. And if people are making 16,000 dollars then then they actually earn less after taxes then those who make 15,999...
by Imperiatom » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:07 pm
Vazdania wrote:Vietnam wrote:Hahaha, no.
Why?
We of the Monarchist party are already giving up a lot by allowing such a large tax on the rich, it would be highly unjust for people to pay absolutely nothing. And if people are making 16,000 dollars then then they actually earn less after taxes then those who make 15,999...
by Chestaan » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:08 pm
Vazdania wrote:Vietnam wrote:Hahaha, no.
Why?
We of the Monarchist party are already giving up a lot by allowing such a large tax on the rich, it would be highly unjust for people to pay absolutely nothing. And if people are making 16,000 dollars then then they actually earn less after taxes then those who make 15,999...
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