NSG Senate Coffee Shop (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Evraim]

Rather weighted victory in the favor of the Republic.

I suspected this would happen. While I know that almost nobody glanced at my fiery speech in favor of Republicanism, I shall, in keeping with my persona as an attention-whoring politician, declare myself a maverick, firebrand, champion of democracy, and the creator of the internet. We're debating bodily sovereignty now, yes? I think we should finish that before re-ordering the list, but, at the next opportunity, I insist that the PCC comes to the floor for amendment. Of course, my opinion will probably be that the current resolution is pointless, but I have to read the text to make sure.

[Arglorand]

Anti-Capital Punishment Act

Urgency: Moderate

Drafted by: Arglorand

Co-Sponsors: The Realm of God, The New Sea Territory, Ceannairceach, Fulflood, Evraim, Britcan

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The government of our nation,

AWARE that as of yet we have no laws concerning capital punishment,

BELIEVING that such a situation is unacceptable,

MAINTAINS that no matter how great or small the crime, capital punishment is an archaic and brutal custom that must not be given precedent or legality in modern law. Capital punishment is a doctrine that forbids our criminals the chance to rehabilitation and reduces the tools of law to mere tools of revenge. As such, our government MANDATES that capital punishment in all its forms must be forbidden and hereby outlaws capital punishment in our nation entirely.

Addendum: Capital punishment is DEFINED as any form of punishment levied by way of ending the criminal's life.

[Zweite Alaje]

Anti-Capital Punishment Act

Urgency: Moderate

Drafted by: Arglorand

Co-Sponsors:

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The government of our nation,

AWARE that as of yet we have no laws concerning capital punishment,

BELIEVING that such a situation is unacceptable,

MAINTAINS that no matter how great or small the crime, capital punishment is an archaic and brutal custom that must not be given precedent or legality in modern law. Capital punishment is a doctrine that forbids our criminals the chance to rehabilitation and reduces the tools of law to mere tools of revenge. As such, our government MANDATES that capital punishment in all its forms must be forbidden and hereby outlaws capital punishment in our nation entirely.

Uh...no thanks.

[The New Sea Territory]

Anti-Capital Punishment Act

Urgency: Moderate

Drafted by: Arglorand

Co-Sponsors:

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The government of our nation,

AWARE that as of yet we have no laws concerning capital punishment,

BELIEVING that such a situation is unacceptable,

MAINTAINS that no matter how great or small the crime, capital punishment is an archaic and brutal custom that must not be given precedent or legality in modern law. Capital punishment is a doctrine that forbids our criminals the chance to rehabilitation and reduces the tools of law to mere tools of revenge. As such, our government MANDATES that capital punishment in all its forms must be forbidden and hereby outlaws capital punishment in our nation entirely.

I support this. The state has no right to deprive anyone of life. The Objectivist Party should agree.

[The Realm of God]

Anti-Capital Punishment Act

Urgency: Moderate

Drafted by: Arglorand

Co-Sponsors:

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The government of our nation,

AWARE that as of yet we have no laws concerning capital punishment,

BELIEVING that such a situation is unacceptable,

MAINTAINS that no matter how great or small the crime, capital punishment is an archaic and brutal custom that must not be given precedent or legality in modern law. Capital punishment is a doctrine that forbids our criminals the chance to rehabilitation and reduces the tools of law to mere tools of revenge. As such, our government MANDATES that capital punishment in all its forms must be forbidden and hereby outlaws capital punishment in our nation entirely.

Can I co-sponser this?

[Arglorand]

Can I co-sponser this?

Aye, of course.

[New Freedomstan]

Rather weighted victory in the favor of the Republic.

I suspected this would happen. While I know that almost nobody glanced at my fiery speech in favor of Republicanism, I shall, in keeping with my persona as an attention-whoring politician, declare myself a maverick, firebrand, champion of democracy, and the creator of the internet. We're debating bodily sovereignty now, yes? I think we should finish that before re-ordering the list, but, at the next opportunity, I insist that the PCC comes to the floor for amendment. Of course, my opinion will probably be that the current resolution is pointless, but I have to read the text to make sure.

We're voting on the Bodily Sovereignity Act, not debating.

[Evraim]

Anti-Capital Punishment Act

Urgency: Moderate

Drafted by: Arglorand

Co-Sponsors:

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The government of our nation,

AWARE that as of yet we have no laws concerning capital punishment,

BELIEVING that such a situation is unacceptable,

MAINTAINS that no matter how great or small the crime, capital punishment is an archaic and brutal custom that must not be given precedent or legality in modern law. Capital punishment is a doctrine that forbids our criminals the chance to rehabilitation and reduces the tools of law to mere tools of revenge. As such, our government MANDATES that capital punishment in all its forms must be forbidden and hereby outlaws capital punishment in our nation entirely.

Opposed. There are no resolutions permitting the government to inflict a punishmnet of ANY sort on citizens or non-citizens. In fact, our society does not have any real laws at this point. As such, I consider this resolution pointless.

[Evraim]

We're voting on the Bodily Sovereignity Act, not debating.

Why not do both at the same time? The bill has serious issues if what I read is correct.

[Arglorand]

Opposed. There are no resolutions permitting the government to inflict a punishmnet of ANY sort on citizens or non-citizens. In fact, our society does not have any real laws at this point. As such, I consider this resolution pointless.

I reasoned that outlawing capital punishment beforehand would be good to, so to speak, one-up such punishment laws, by making such punishment illegal beforehand. After all the laws in the queue already pass, we will, in fact, already have a temporary legal code, so this ought to be made clear.

[Ceannairceach]

We're voting on the Bodily Sovereignity Act, not debating.

Why not do both at the same time? The bill has serious issues if what I read is correct.

The debate period is over. You can get chastised by your fellow Senators for debating it once voting has started.

[Zweite Alaje]

I support this. The state has no right to deprive anyone of life. The Objectivist Party should agree.

It does if the individual is of great danger to the public and has committed a crime in violation of another's person or taking of another's life. Criminals like rapists, murders, and child molesters should be put down like rabid dogs.

[Manahakatouki]

I fear the amount of bills being passed that never get enough debate or criticisms...

[Ceannairceach]

I support this. The state has no right to deprive anyone of life. The Objectivist Party should agree.

It does if the individual is of great danger to the public and has committed a crime in violation of another's person or taking of another's life. Criminals like rapists, murders, and child molesters should be put down like rabid dogs.

And should an innocent man be "put down" under a capital punishment, Senator? What then? Apologize to their family and skip on with our more base tendencies?

[Evraim]

Why not do both at the same time? The bill has serious issues if what I read is correct.

The debate period is over. You can get chastised by your fellow Senators for debating it once voting has started.

I can be chastised for attempting to amend or block the resolution. Debating a terrible resolution, to my knowledge, is permissible. Unless something has changed in the two days that I've been away?

[Arglorand]

It does if the individual is of great danger to the public and has committed a crime in violation of another's person or taking of another's life. Criminals like rapists, murders, and child molesters should be put down like rabid dogs.

And should an innocent man be "put down" under a capital punishment, Senator? What then? Apologize to their family and skip on with our more base tendencies?

One may also argue, Senator, that "putting down" also qualifies as murder, thus rendering our law no better than the criminals.

Our law must rise above the common criminal, not stoop to their level.

[Ceannairceach]

The debate period is over. You can get chastised by your fellow Senators for debating it once voting has started.

I can be chastised for attempting to amend or block the resolution. Debating a terrible resolution, to my knowledge, is permissible. Unless something has changed in the two days that I've been away?

I'm merely voicing my knowledge based on past experience. I was called out for debating with another Senator during the vote.

[Kouralia]

Do we have an act on policing?

[Evraim]

I'm merely voicing my knowledge based on past experience. I was called out for debating with another Senator during the vote.

Were you debating the resolution on which the vote was occurring? If so, you didn't really do anything wrong as far as I know.

I reasoned that outlawing capital punishment beforehand would be good to, so to speak, one-up such punishment laws, by making such punishment illegal beforehand. After all the laws in the queue already pass, we will, in fact, already have a temporary legal code, so this ought to be made clear.

While I am against capital punishment, I dislike resolutions that serve no other purpose than to block the resolutions of the opposition. That said, I believe that I'll respectfully abstain from the vote if it comes to the Senate floor. May I at least second your resolution? It is worth discussing.

Do we have an act on policing?

Nein. We're to busy trying to legalize the already legal right to an abortion.

[Zweite Alaje]

It does if the individual is of great danger to the public and has committed a crime in violation of another's person or taking of another's life. Criminals like rapists, murders, and child molesters should be put down like rabid dogs.

And should an innocent man be "put down" under a capital punishment, Senator? What then? Apologize to their family and skip on with our more base tendencies?

A situation like that would be unfortunate, but that is the chance we take with a modern justice system. It isn't 100% certain that the perpetrator will be the party actually convicted.

[Ceannairceach]

I'm merely voicing my knowledge based on past experience. I was called out for debating with another Senator during the vote.

Were you debating the resolution on which the vote was occurring? If so, you didn't really do anything wrong as far as I know.

Indeed I was. A Senator voiced an opinion alongside his vote, and I countered it, and was chastised.

[Arglorand]

I'm merely voicing my knowledge based on past experience. I was called out for debating with another Senator during the vote.

Were you debating the resolution on which the vote was occurring? If so, you didn't really do anything wrong as far as I know.

I reasoned that outlawing capital punishment beforehand would be good to, so to speak, one-up such punishment laws, by making such punishment illegal beforehand. After all the laws in the queue already pass, we will, in fact, already have a temporary legal code, so this ought to be made clear.

While I am against capital punishment, I dislike resolutions that serve no other purpose than to block the resolutions of the opposition. That said, I believe that I'll respectfully abstain from the vote if it comes to the Senate floor. May I at least second your resolution? It is worth discussing.

Of course. It is not for me to reject secondings or thirdings or what have you.

[Evraim]

Indeed I was. A Senator voiced an opinion alongside his vote, and I countered it, and was chastised.

Who ever chastised you seems to have been in the wrong. Stifling debate is not democratic.

Of course. It is not for me to reject secondings or thirdings or what have you.

Thank you. I am honored. Good luck with your resolution, senator.

[Ceannairceach]

And should an innocent man be "put down" under a capital punishment, Senator? What then? Apologize to their family and skip on with our more base tendencies?

A situation like that would be unfortunate, but that is the chance we take with a modern justice system. It isn't 100% certain that the perpetrator will be the party actually convicted.

Then, in the interest of protecting the innocent, we must outlaw capital punishment. The criminals will still be punished, but in a civil manner that does not result in the death of innocents.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

It isn't 100% certain that the perpetrator will be the party actually convicted.

It's a bit easier to correct an injustice if someone's in prison than if they're dead, Senator.