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Postby Beta Test » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:58 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:You have slandered sex workers by demeaning them and their positions. Kindly stop this.

Their job is not meant to be a good thing selling yourself is nothing to be proud of.


They are still human beings entitled to respect.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:59 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:And illegalization would be de facto encouragement of the human trafficking, slavery and exploitation black markets due to the fact that the criminal element makes a profit off its illegality.

No more than a meth dealer profits from the illegality of their "product". Is the illegal status of meth and other drugs like it encouraging drug addicts and crack babies?

Likely, yes.

But that is not the issue, Senator. Kindly keep on topic.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:59 pm

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Zweite Alaje wrote:How is it offensive? Is it not true prostitutes sell sexual favors for monetary compensation? I've done nothing but illustrate the situation in its actuality.

You have slandered sex workers by demeaning them and their positions. Kindly stop this.

I've done no such thing. I've described an act of their "profession", you can't deny that fact.
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:59 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Their job is not meant to be a good thing selling yourself is nothing to be proud of.

To you, perhaps. What you may be proud or not proud of is not standard for all people.

So Senator would you be proud to sell yourself to make ends meet? Or for one of your children to make a living off of it?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:59 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:And thus filling our nonexistent prisons with the perpetrators of victimless crimes and putting the profits from that industry right into the hands of the criminal element. Well done, Senator. Your mission to destroy this nation is one step closer to completion.

My mission is to save it not destroy it.

And yet your actions directly benefit criminals.

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:00 pm

Beta Test wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Their job is not meant to be a good thing selling yourself is nothing to be proud of.


They are still human beings entitled to respect.

No they sell themselves sexually they are objects not people.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:00 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:You have slandered sex workers by demeaning them and their positions. Kindly stop this.

I've done no such thing. I've described an act of their "profession", you can't deny that fact.

No, you have not. You insulted them and misrepresented them in a way that can be construed as fact. Stop it.

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:01 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:My mission is to save it not destroy it.

And yet your actions directly benefit criminals.

Well then Senator why not make it harder for criminals to exist?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:02 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:To you, perhaps. What you may be proud or not proud of is not standard for all people.

So Senator would you be proud to sell yourself to make ends meet? Or for one of your children to make a living off of it?

Sir, we are politicians. We sell ourselves daily.

But, if it was to sell myself sexually or watch my children or myself starve to death, I would gladly do so. I am a moral, responsible man.

If my child deigned that that was to be their profession, more power to them.

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Postby Silent Majority » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:02 pm

Their is nothing reactionary about not wanting whore behavior to become "acceptable".


Yes there is. Sex is not immoral, despite what texts written thousands of years ago might say.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:02 pm

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Beta Test wrote:
They are still human beings entitled to respect.

No they sell themselves sexually they are objects not people.

And yet you are against abortion.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:03 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:And yet your actions directly benefit criminals.

Well then Senator why not make it harder for criminals to exist?

Agreed. Legalize prostitution.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:03 pm

Beta Test wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Their job is not meant to be a good thing selling yourself is nothing to be proud of.


They are still human beings entitled to respect.

Indeed, we must respect them enough to force them out of such a degrading and dignity-less occupation. So that they my become an individual of use to society.
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:03 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:So Senator would you be proud to sell yourself to make ends meet? Or for one of your children to make a living off of it?

Sir, we are politicians. We sell ourselves daily.

But, if it was to sell myself sexually or watch my children or myself starve to death, I would gladly do so. I am a moral, responsible man.

If my child deigned that that was to be their profession, more power to them.

First off well put Senator have to give you that one :rofl:
Second off there are other alternatives than selling yourself to make ends meet.
And you would honestly except your child telling you that they want to make a living as a prostitute?
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:04 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:No they sell themselves sexually they are objects not people.

And yet you are against abortion.

Yes I am against abortion Senator what does that have to do with allowing people to sell themselves?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:05 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Sir, we are politicians. We sell ourselves daily.

But, if it was to sell myself sexually or watch my children or myself starve to death, I would gladly do so. I am a moral, responsible man.

If my child deigned that that was to be their profession, more power to them.

First off well put Senator have to give you that one :rofl:
Second off there are other alternatives than selling yourself to make ends meet.
And you would honestly except your child telling you that they want to make a living as a prostitute?

You did not mention that in the scenario presented. And, often, no choice of comparable gain exists.

Yes, I would, for I love my children regardless of who they are. I didn't know you wouldn't love your flesh and blood regardless of their actions, Senator.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:05 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:And yet you are against abortion.

Yes I am against abortion Senator what does that have to do with allowing people to sell themselves?

You called prostitutes objects. See the comparison?

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:05 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Well then Senator why not make it harder for criminals to exist?

Agreed. Legalize prostitution.

No Senator use more cops and put tracker chips in your citizens.
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Postby Beta Test » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:06 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Beta Test wrote:
They are still human beings entitled to respect.

Indeed, we must respect them enough to force them out of such a degrading and dignity-less occupation. So that they my become an individual of use to society.



Without prostitution, there would be more men going out and raping women. Don't tell me you would rather see that in the name of morals.
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Postby Silent Majority » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:06 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Agreed. Legalize prostitution.

No Senator use more cops and put tracker chips in your citizens.


And you call yourselves the "freedom party"
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:06 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Agreed. Legalize prostitution.

No Senator use more cops and put tracker chips in your citizens.

At the moment, we have no police. So legalizing prostitution would be the most direct, effective way to decrease crime.

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:07 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:First off well put Senator have to give you that one :rofl:
Second off there are other alternatives than selling yourself to make ends meet.
And you would honestly except your child telling you that they want to make a living as a prostitute?

You did not mention that in the scenario presented. And, often, no choice of comparable gain exists.

Yes, I would, for I love my children regardless of who they are. I didn't know you wouldn't love your flesh and blood regardless of their actions, Senator.

Anyone in my family who would disgrace themselves to do something like that would have not be blood to me.
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:07 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:No Senator use more cops and put tracker chips in your citizens.

At the moment, we have no police. So legalizing prostitution would be the most direct, effective way to decrease crime.

Or instead we get police?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:08 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:You did not mention that in the scenario presented. And, often, no choice of comparable gain exists.

Yes, I would, for I love my children regardless of who they are. I didn't know you wouldn't love your flesh and blood regardless of their actions, Senator.

Anyone in my family who would disgrace themselves to do something like that would have not be blood to me.

So you are neither a family man nor a responsible man.
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:At the moment, we have no police. So legalizing prostitution would be the most direct, effective way to decrease crime.

Or instead we get police?

And why they organize and train, criminals benefit. No.

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:09 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Anyone in my family who would disgrace themselves to do something like that would have not be blood to me.

So you are neither a family man nor a responsible man.
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Or instead we get police?

And why they organize and train, criminals benefit. No.

So instead of long term stability and order you choose the short immoral path not wise Senator.
And I am a family man my kids would never stoop that low in society i'd make sure of that.
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