NSG Senate Coffee Shop (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Imperiatom]

We've yet to provide services. This is enough for a minarchist state...which is currently what we have because we've yet to provide services at all!!!

The taxes aren't that low.

They are not that low exactly. The poorest are also exempt fro tax too. sale tax is low.

[Sibirsky]

How would it take longer to administer per person?

It takes math skills of first grade level to calculate.

Clearly you are a minor that has never had to deal with HM revenue and customs before. Trust me on this they are capable screwing up some pretty basic and obviously self explanatory things. Don't go through life think everyone is a clever as you. There are some pretty big Muppets out there, the people on NS are for the most part above your average human being.

I am 32 years old. In any case, what does my age have to do with anything? You have not addressed anything I asked. HM Revenue and Customs are not the ones administering our taxes.

This is, without question the most simple, cheapest, and easier to administer proposal of anything we have seen.

[Geilinor]

National Tax Act-Alternate

Urgency: Very High

Drafted By: Geilinor

Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup



The government of our yet to be named nation:

RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved

ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate

DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities

MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency

STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:

Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied.


Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
Essential services(food, utilities): 0%
For nonessential services(including legal nonmedical drugs): 7.25%
For gasoline: 2.50%
For publications, admission tickets to cultural events: 2.00%
It's silly to tax nonmedical drugs less than gasoline and computers or cell phones.

Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax: 13.00%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

[Irredento]

*points out that Red-Green/Communist is much, much larger than the CMP*

Were you under the impression that only the CMP support this bill? We have most of the Senate on our side. You're not needed.

[Vietnam]

National Tax Act-Alternate

Urgency: Very High

Drafted By: Geilinor

Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup



The government of our yet to be named nation:

RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved

ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate

DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities

MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency

STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:

Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied.


Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services: 7.25%
For gasoline: 2.50%
For publications, admission tickets to cultural events: 2.00%
For legal nonmedical drugs: 1.25%

Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax: 13.00%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

Little to nonexistent sales tax, please? And progressive corporate tax to help small businesses?

[Evraim]

Stick to the current draft. its been half an hour! Time to sent it.

With all due respect, that is not my decision to make, Senator. I am a mere co-sponsor, and I feel it unsavory to accept credit for a resolution which I did not propose. Geilinor exercises sole discretion over this bill. She (or he) came up with the framework, and she (or he) must send the telegram. If she (or he) elects not to do so, I imagine more negotiations will be necessary.

[Chestaan]

We've yet to provide services. This is enough for a minarchist state...which is currently what we have because we've yet to provide services at all!!!

The taxes aren't that low.

They actually are. The average income will (probably) lie in the bracket that is taxed at 15%. Effectively, the highest rates most will be taxed at is 15%, and that's not even for their entire income.

[Vazdania]

National Tax Act-Alternate

Urgency: Very High

Drafted By: Geilinor

Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup



The government of our yet to be named nation:

RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved

ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate

DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities

MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency

STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:

Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied.


Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services: 0.25%
For gasoline: 2.50%
For publications, admission tickets to cultural events: 2.00%
For legal nonmedical drugs: 1.25%

Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax: 13.00%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

change highlighted in blue.

[Imperiatom]

We do not need Red-Green support. Stop trying to appease utopian fantasists.

*points out that Red-Green/Communist is much, much larger than the CMP*

25 members together.

But not larger than the liberals, the pc, the cmp, the libertarians, many independents.

[Vietnam]

*points out that Red-Green/Communist is much, much larger than the CMP*

Were you under the impression that only the CMP support this bill? We have most of the Senate on our side. You're not needed.

I'm saying that it's better to move a bit to the left rather than appease the small right.

[Vietnam]

*points out that Red-Green/Communist is much, much larger than the CMP*

25 members together.

But not larger than the liberals, the pc, the cmp, the libertarians, many independents.

Aaaand?

[Geilinor]

National Tax Act-Alternate

Urgency: Very High

Drafted By: Geilinor

Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup



The government of our yet to be named nation:

RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved

ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate

DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities

MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency

STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:

Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied.


Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services: 0.25%
For gasoline: 2.50%
For publications, admission tickets to cultural events: 2.00%
For legal nonmedical drugs: 1.25%

Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax: 13.00%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

change highlighted in blue.

Nonessential is things like cars, computers, and TVs. 7% is reasonable for that.

[Vazdania]

National Tax Act-Alternate

Urgency: Very High

Drafted By: Geilinor

Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup



The government of our yet to be named nation:

RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved

ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate

DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities

MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency

STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:

Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied.


Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services: 7.25%
For gasoline: 2.50%
For publications, admission tickets to cultural events: 2.00%
For legal nonmedical drugs: 1.25%

Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax: 13.00%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

Little to nonexistent sales tax, please? And progressive corporate tax to help small businesses?

I'd agree to a .01 cent sales tax.

[Vazdania]

change highlighted in blue.

Nonessential is things like cars, computers, and TVs. 7% is reasonable for that.

make it 5...and you've got a deal.

[Cosara]

Little to nonexistent sales tax, please? And progressive corporate tax to help small businesses?

I'd agree to a .01 cent sales tax.

Do we have a coin which is worth a tenth of a cent?

[Imperiatom]

Stick to the current draft. its been half an hour! Time to sent it.

With all due respect, that is not my decision to make, Senator. I am a mere co-sponsor, and I feel it unsavory to accept credit for a resolution which I did not propose. Geilinor exercises sole discretion over this bill. She (or he) came up with the framework, and she (or he) must send the telegram. If she (or he) elects not to do so, I imagine more negotiations will be necessary.

The Progressive conservatives are co authors. As i pointed out we spent almost 12 hours hammering out this proposal between us and the liberals. We will elect to do so soon if nether you nor Geilinor do not.

[Vietnam]

Little to nonexistent sales tax, please? And progressive corporate tax to help small businesses?

I'd agree to a .01 cent sales tax.

I'd consider that alright as well.

[Vazdania]

I'd agree to a .01 cent sales tax.

Do we have a coin which is worth a tenth of a cent?

1 cent....sorry...

[Irredento]

I prefer this and really wish you would have just sent it to the chamber in that form.

I will say that I most certainly do not support a high 35.00% tax rate on people earning between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC and feel that this attempt at more progressive taxation will only hurt the economy in the long term. The original proposal was fine as it was and this is not an improvement in my opinion.

[Geilinor]

National Tax Act-Alternate

Urgency: Very High

Drafted By: Geilinor

Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup



The government of our yet to be named nation:

RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved

ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate

DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities

MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency

STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:

Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied.


Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services: 7.25%
For gasoline: 2.50%
For publications, admission tickets to cultural events: 2.00%
For legal nonmedical drugs: 1.25%

Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
corporate tax turnover less than 1.5 million(small business): 10%
Large business: 15%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

[Vietnam]

change highlighted in blue.

Nonessential is things like cars, computers, and TVs. 7% is reasonable for that.

7% makes things much harder to afford for the poor.

[Vazdania]

I'd agree to a .01 cent sales tax.

I'd consider that alright as well.

1 cent sales tax....ITS A DEAL!

[Vazdania]

Nonessential is things like cars, computers, and TVs. 7% is reasonable for that.

7% makes things much harder to afford for the poor.

5% is good.

[Vietnam]

National Tax Act-Alternate

Urgency: Very High

Drafted By: Geilinor

Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup



The government of our yet to be named nation:

RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved

ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate

DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities

MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency

STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:

Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied.


Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services: 7.25%
For gasoline: 2.50%
For publications, admission tickets to cultural events: 2.00%
For legal nonmedical drugs: 1.25%

Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
corporate tax turnover less than 1.5 million(small business): 10%
Large business: 15%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

What about income after 2.001 mil?

[Vietnam]

7% makes things much harder to afford for the poor.

5% is good.

2%.