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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:08 pm

Irredento wrote:
Ziegenhain wrote:

Fifthed.


Sixthed. Just to, you know, make sure and stuff.

I guess this means it goes back to revision then. Alright senators, what would you like to change on this bill?
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Postby Silent Majority » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:08 pm

I vote nay
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:09 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Irredento wrote:
Sixthed. Just to, you know, make sure and stuff.

I guess this means it goes back to revision then. Alright senators, what would you like to change on this bill?

NO! D:< we need to VOTE on suspension.
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Postby Aeken » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:09 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Irredento wrote:
Sixthed. Just to, you know, make sure and stuff.

I guess this means it goes back to revision then. Alright senators, what would you like to change on this bill?

I think we should have a time deadline for inactive Senators. They can reapply if they come back after the deadline or show that they are committed for NSG Senate.

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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:09 pm

Silent Majority wrote:I vote nay

The Bill has effectively reached a period of the question of suspension...
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Postby Aquitayne » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:10 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Irredento wrote:
Sixthed. Just to, you know, make sure and stuff.

I guess this means it goes back to revision then. Alright senators, what would you like to change on this bill?


This should be directed back into the Coffee Shop rather than here, I believe.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:11 pm

Aeken wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I guess this means it goes back to revision then. Alright senators, what would you like to change on this bill?

I think we should have a time deadline for inactive Senators. They can reapply if they come back after the deadline or show that they are committed for NSG Senate.


Seems like a fairly reasonable point.

And for Vazdania. I know, but then again, it would be an endless loop of suspensions, and I think that detracts everyone from the main point :D
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:12 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Aeken wrote:I think we should have a time deadline for inactive Senators. They can reapply if they come back after the deadline or show that they are committed for NSG Senate.


Seems like a fairly reasonable point.

And for Vazdania. I know, but then again, it would be an endless loop of suspensions, and I think that detracts everyone from the main point :D

:< okay fine.

But it can also work the same way in the opposite direction...a small group of people can totally block legislation by suspending it.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:13 pm

Aquitayne wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I guess this means it goes back to revision then. Alright senators, what would you like to change on this bill?


This should be directed back into the Coffee Shop rather than here, I believe.


I think the Coffee Shop shouldn't be used since it's a bill the entire senate is split, so it is fairly reasonable to assume we have different concerns about the bill and all of us should voice out our concerns and then help draft a better bill.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:14 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Seems like a fairly reasonable point.

And for Vazdania. I know, but then again, it would be an endless loop of suspensions, and I think that detracts everyone from the main point :D

:< okay fine.

But it can also work the same way in the opposite direction...a small group of people can totally block legislation by suspending it.


I don't think we have set that precedent here. The test will be if the reason why this or any other piece of legislation is detracted is merely for disagreement reasons rather than valid concerns about the bill.
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Postby Aquitayne » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
This should be directed back into the Coffee Shop rather than here, I believe.


I think the Coffee Shop shouldn't be used since it's a bill the entire senate is split, so it is fairly reasonable to assume we have different concerns about the bill and all of us should voice out our concerns and then help draft a better bill.


Yes, Senator, but the Chamber is only for official procedure and voting, not for re-designing a bill. That is the purpose of the Coffee Shop, as well as this being an IC thread.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:17 pm

Aquitayne wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I think the Coffee Shop shouldn't be used since it's a bill the entire senate is split, so it is fairly reasonable to assume we have different concerns about the bill and all of us should voice out our concerns and then help draft a better bill.


Yes, Senator, but the Chamber is only for official procedure and voting, not for re-designing a bill. That is the purpose of the Coffee Shop, as well as this being an IC thread.


Good point.
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:18 pm

THE BILL CONCERNING TAXATION WILL BE VOTED UPON NOW.
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Postby Vietnam » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:THE BILL CONCERNING TAXATION WILL BE VOTED UPON NOW.

Honourable Senator, we're currently in the midst of voting on another bill.
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:20 pm

Vietnam wrote:
Vazdania wrote:THE BILL CONCERNING TAXATION WILL BE VOTED UPON NOW.

Honourable Senator, we're currently in the midst of voting on another bill.

It's been suspended.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:21 pm

I thought the Limitation Act would pass.
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Postby Aeken » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:21 pm

Senatorial Limitation Act will now shift over to the Coffee Shop, where it will be more appropriate to discuss modifications.

Now, we will begin debate on the National Tax Act. You may initiate discussion.

National Tax Act
Urgency: Very High
Drafted By: Geilinor
Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup, Imperiatom
The government of our yet to be named nation:
RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved
ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate
DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities
MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency
STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:
Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 NSC and up shall be levied.
Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services(including legal medical drugs): 2%
For gasoline: 2.50%
Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax 1.5 mil and up(small business): 10.00%
Larger business: 15%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%
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Postby Vietnam » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:21 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Vietnam wrote:Honourable Senator, we're currently in the midst of voting on another bill.

It's been suspended.

Oh, heh.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:22 pm

Aeken wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I guess this means it goes back to revision then. Alright senators, what would you like to change on this bill?

I think we should have a time deadline for inactive Senators. They can reapply if they come back after the deadline or show that they are committed for NSG Senate.

Yes. Isn't that somewhere in the OP of the organization thread?
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Postby Vietnam » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:22 pm

Aeken wrote:Senatorial Limitation Act will now shift over to the Coffee Shop, where it will be more appropriate to discuss modifications.

Now, we will begin debate on the National Tax Act. You may initiate discussion.

National Tax Act
Urgency: Very High
Drafted By: Geilinor
Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup, Imperiatom
The government of our yet to be named nation:
RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved
ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate
DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities
MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency
STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:
Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 NSC and up shall be levied.
Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services(including legal medical drugs): 2%
For gasoline: 2.50%
Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax 1.5 mil and up(small business): 10.00%
Larger business: 15%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

$1.5 mil and up is a small business? I think there may be a typo.
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:23 pm

Aeken wrote:Senatorial Limitation Act will now shift over to the Coffee Shop, where it will be more appropriate to discuss modifications.

Now, we will begin debate on the National Tax Act. You may initiate discussion.

National Tax Act
Urgency: Very High
Drafted By: Geilinor
Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup, Imperiatom
The government of our yet to be named nation:
RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved
ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate
DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities
MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency
STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:
Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 NSC and up shall be levied.
Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services(including legal medical drugs): 2%
For gasoline: 2.50%
Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax 1.5 mil and up(small business): 10.00%
Larger business: 15%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%

My vote will be FOR, so long as no amendments are added. If any amendments are added, please consider my vote null, so that I may review the amendment and see if I would like to vote for or against it.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:25 pm

Aeken wrote:Senatorial Limitation Act will now shift over to the Coffee Shop, where it will be more appropriate to discuss modifications.

Now, we will begin debate on the National Tax Act. You may initiate discussion.

National Tax Act
Urgency: Very High
Drafted By: Geilinor
Co-Sponsors: Evraim, Wolfmanne, Gallup, Imperiatom
The government of our yet to be named nation:
RECOGNIZING: the necessity of taxation if the state and government are to be sustained and preserved
ESTABLISHING: a national code of taxation applicable to all citizens and residents, without exception, unless otherwise authorized by the Senate
DEFINING: legal nonmedical drugs as substances, with the exception of foods and non-alcoholic beverages, employed for purposes other than those approved by medical professionals for the treatment of aches, smarts, and illnesses, and which are lawful to possess and use in the aforementioned capacities
MANDATING: that the Senate begin the process of determining which drugs should be legal and which drugs should not be legal with all due urgency
STIPULATING: that the tax code shall operate as follows:
Income Taxes shall be levied at:
0% of income earned between 0.00 and 15,999.99 NSC shall be levied
5.00% of income earned between 16,000.00 and 30,999.99 NSC shall be levied
10.00% of income earned between 31,000.00 and 50,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
15.00% of income earned between 51,000.00 and 100,999.99 NSC shall be levied
25.00% of income earned between 101,000.00 and 250,999.99 NSC shall be levied
35.00% of income earned between 251,000.00 and 500,999.99 NSC shall be levied.
40.00% of income earned between 501,000.00 and 1,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied
45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 NSC and up shall be levied.
Sales Taxes shall be levied at:
For nonessential services(including legal medical drugs): 2%
For gasoline: 2.50%
Miscellaneous Taxes shall be levied at:
For corporate tax 1.5 mil and up(small business): 10.00%
Larger business: 15%
For capital gains tax: 20.00%


1.5 mil for small businesses is way too much, unless you are counting small casinos, in which case it is understandable.
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Postby The State of Czecho-Slovakia » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:25 pm

I vote Aye for the tax act!
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Postby Chestaan » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:27 pm

My fellow senators, you are all aware of my position on this tax bill. I would ask the Lib-Dems and PCs how they hope to fund universal healthcare and social welfare with these rates?
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Postby Othelos » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:27 pm

The State of Czecho-Slovakia wrote:I vote Aye for the tax act!

It's not up for vote yet.
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