NSG Senate (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Mollary]

I vote aye

For: 14

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary

Against: 10

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento

Approval: 58.33%

[Evraim]

It should be eleven against.

Like so...

EDIT: I've adjusted for Polvia's vote as well. 14 - 12.

For: 14

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary

Against: 12

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia

Approval: 53.85%

[Polvia]

I vote Nay

[Oneracon]

Reminder:

Voting will end....

April 21, 2013 at 6:55 AM	Central European Summer Time (UTC + 2)
April 21, 2013 at 5:55 AM	British Summer Time / Western European Summer Time (UTC + 1)
April 21, 2013 at 4:55 AM	Coordinated Universal Time / Greenwich Mean Time (UTC + 0)
April 21, 2013 at 12:55 AM	Eastern Daylight Time, US & Canada (UTC - 4)
April 20, 2013 at 11:55 PM	Central Daylight Time, US & Canada (UTC - 5)
April 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM	Pacific Daylight Time, US & Canada (UTC - 7)

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For: 14

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary

Against: 12

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia

Approval: 53.85%[/quote]

[Subramani]

We vote "Yes" for this bill

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For: 15

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary, Subramani]

Against: 12

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia

[Chestaan]

I vote Nay

[Evraim]

Senatorial Limitation Act

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For: 15

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary, Subramani

Against: 15

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia, Chestaan, Uiiop, Great Nepal

Approval: 50.00%

[Uiiop]

I vote NAY

The chaos that might happen should be allowed because it was written in the OP.
seriously it seems unlikely to happen and it would interesting and fun if it did so NAY.

[Evraim]

I vote NAY

The chaos that might happen should be allowed because it was written in the OP.
seriously it seems unlikely to happen and it would interesting and fun if it did so NAY.

I would argue that there are more effective ways of managing the chaos without impeding Generalite participation in the Senate.

[Great Nepal]

Due to short length of Senatorial Limitation Act, and fact that it adds unnecessary bureaucracy, I vote No.

[Reggae Magmia]

-snip-

Is this the bill currently at vote?

If so, I vote Nay.

[Irredento]

-snip-

Is this the bill currently at vote?

If so, I vote Nay.

It is. Also, good choice.

[Oneracon]

Senatorial Limitation Act

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For: 15

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary, Subramani

Against: 16

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia, Chestaan, Uiiop, Great Nepal, Reggae Magmia

Approval: 48.38%

[Benomia]

I vote for.

[Old Tyrannia]

Before casting my vote I'd like to hear the arguments for and against the bill.

[Evraim]

Senatorial Limitation Act

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For: 16

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary, Subramani, Benomia

Against: 16

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia, Chestaan, Uiiop, Great Nepal, Reggae Magmia

Approval: 50.00%

[Evraim]

Before casting my vote I'd like to hear the arguments for and against the bill.

I maintain that imposing a limit on Senate membership and forcefully expelling members who fail to participate every so often would essentially deny individuals with unique experiences and perspectives the opportunity to participate. Not everybody is capable of posting every single day or even every single week. Despite this, many of these individuals could offer useful information to the Senate.

I think that my approach, rejecting this resolution in favor of one which establishes an internal government of some sort headed by a Speaker and organized around parties, would permit democracy and pluralism to thrive within the government, whereas this approach would strangle these principles in their very cribs.

I am also wholly opposed to dismissing competent Senators who are not able to post on a daily basis. Rare competence is preferable to persistent incompetence. I also dislike the first-come, first-serve rule because it ignores ability.

[Bleckonia]

Senatorial Limitation Act

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For: 15

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary, Subramani

Against: 15

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia, Chestaan, Uiiop, Great Nepal

Approval: 50.00%

How'd it get from 12 to 15?

[Bleckonia]

Before casting my vote I'd like to hear the arguments for and against the bill.

For:
- if there are more than 200 members, voting and debating gets complicated.
- if there is a cap, parties can focus on Senate business rather than recruiting new Senators.
- a cap promotes stability, as there will be few structure changes in the Senate.
- it's hard to keep track of more than 200 nations

Against:
- a cap of 200 members prevents thousands of nations from participating.
- wait until there are more than 200 members and see what goes on

[Oneracon]

How'd it get from 12 to 15?

Count the Senators?

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

I vote Aye!

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Edit: Tie Breaker! Such dramatic proceedings my friends...

[Evraim]

Senatorial Limitation Act

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For: 17

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary, Subramani, Benomia, The State of Czecho-Slovakia

Against: 16

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia, Chestaan, Uiiop, Great Nepal, Reggae Magmia

Approval: 51.52%

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I added a few more arguments to the "Against" section.

For:
- if there are more than 200 members, voting and debating gets complicated.
- if there is a cap, parties can focus on Senate business rather than recruiting new Senators.
- a cap promotes stability, as there will be few structure changes in the Senate.
- it's hard to keep track of more than 200 nations

Against:
- a cap of 200 members prevents thousands of nations from participating.
- wait until there are more than 200 members and see what goes on
- ejecting Senators who are incapable of participating on a routine basis would limit the girth of experience enjoyed by the Senate as a whole
- the first-come, first-serve rule gives an undue advantage to older nations regardless of their relative ability
- more effectives methods of controlling the Senate exist, and many of these methods are less detrimental to pluralism and democracy

[Ceni]

I vote nay on this bill.

Senatorial Limitation Act

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For: 17

Bleckonia, Geilinor, The Republic of Pantalleria, Fulflood, Mike the Progressive, Soldati senza confini, Wolfmanne, New Sapienta, Braxil, Urumgard, Aeken, Crata, TaQud, Mollary, Subramani, Benomia, The State of Czecho-Slovakia

Against: 17

Regnum Dominae, Othelos, Raurosia, Ziegenhain, Fessleria, Aquitayne, United Provinces of Atlantica, Diopolis, Oneracon, Evraim, Irredento, Polvia, Chestaan, Uiiop, Great Nepal, Reggae Magmia, Ceni

Approval: 50%

[Othelos]

The reason I voted against is because the whole thing is unnecessary.

[Evraim]

The reason I voted against is because the whole thing is unnecessary.

I concur. At the moment, we have thirty four (34) active senators. It is pointless to impose a cap with so few senators participating in the proceedings. Additionally, I oppose the discriminatory measures included in the legislation that I mentioned in previous posts.