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Kouralia
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:18 am

I vote FOR the BSA.
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Postby Othelos » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:19 am

Current Vote:

For: 24
Against: 18
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 45

Approval Rate: 53.3%
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Postby Mishmahig » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:28 am

I vote nay.

For: 24.
Against: 19
Abstain: 3.
Total: 46
Approval: 52.2%, I think.
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Postby Venaleria » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:35 am

I vote Nay the BSA legislation on the grounds that its wording and overall message are discouraging even though the concept I would support.


For: 24
Against: 20
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 47

Approval Rate: 51.3%
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Postby The Sivent Isles » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:46 am

I vote FOR the BSA

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:47 am

I vote FOR
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Postby Othelos » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:49 am

Current Vote:

For: 26
Against: 20
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 49

Approval Rate: 53.1%
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Postby New Waterford » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:51 am

I vote against the Bodily Sovereignity Act.
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Postby Venaleria » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:52 am


For: 26
Against: 21
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 50

Approval Rate: 52.1%
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:55 am

As a according to my membership to the NIFP and my own opposition to abortion in all cases, I vote NAY to the BSA bill.
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Postby Venaleria » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:59 am

For: 26
Against: 22
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 51

Approval Rate: 51.1%
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:06 am

Venaleria wrote:For: 26
Against: 22
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 51

Approval Rate: 51.1%

Abstains don't count against the vote.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:08 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Venaleria wrote:For: 26
Against: 22
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 51

Approval Rate: 51.1%

Abstains don't count against the vote.

But they do count against it's approval rating, as abstaining is not an approval.
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:09 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Venaleria wrote:For: 26
Against: 22
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 51

Approval Rate: 51.1%

Abstains don't count against the vote.

Abstains are approval though. I vote against this.

Or should it be 26/49?
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:11 am

Disserbia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Abstains don't count against the vote.

Abstains are approval though. I vote against this.

Not technically, but as long as we have more fors than againsts, I think it passes. Abstains are an "I don't care". Abstaining is like not voting at all, it's just a symbolic "I want everyone to know that I don't care what happens".
Last edited by Geilinor on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:12 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Venaleria » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:11 am

Geilinor wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Abstains are approval though. I vote against this.

Not technically, but as long as we have more fors than againsts, I think it passes. Abstains are an "I don't care".


Exactly.
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:12 am

Geilinor wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Abstains are approval though. I vote against this.

Not technically, but as long as we have more fors than againsts, I think it passes. Abstains are an "I don't care".

Yeah I edited...either way it is no t right is it?
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Non-interventionist: 5.82
Cultural liberal: 2.23
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Postby Venaleria » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:13 am

For: 26
Against: 23
Abstain: 3

Total Votes: 52

Approval Rate: 50.0%
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Postby Othelos » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:30 am

Geilinor wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Abstains are approval though. I vote against this.

Not technically, but as long as we have more fors than againsts, I think it passes. Abstains are an "I don't care". Abstaining is like not voting at all, it's just a symbolic "I want everyone to know that I don't care what happens".

Abstaining in a vote =/= not voting.

An abstention vote is a mild nay, because it dilutes the vote and makes it more difficult for things to pass but doesn't specifically count against. It's more of a "I don't know/I'm not sure what to vote" while not voting at all is "I don't care."
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Postby Estope » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:31 am

I vote NO
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Postby Finium » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:35 am

Othelos wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Not technically, but as long as we have more fors than againsts, I think it passes. Abstains are an "I don't care". Abstaining is like not voting at all, it's just a symbolic "I want everyone to know that I don't care what happens".

Abstaining in a vote =/= not voting.

An abstention vote is a mild nay, because it dilutes the vote and makes it more difficult for things to pass but doesn't specifically count against. It's more of a "I don't know/I'm not sure what to vote" while not voting at all is "I don't care."

I agree, a bill requires a majority in favour of it to be passed, not a majority that's simple not opposed
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Postby Seelelander » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:36 am

Trotskylvania wrote:
Bodily Sovereignty Act
Urgency: Urgent| Drafted by: Great Nepal | Edited for Archiving by Trotskylvania


Findings

§ 1: This senate recognises self ownership and sovereignty of the individual as one of fundamental and inalienable rights held equally by all non-convicted men, women and children. Upholding principles held by philosophers William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson, this senate enacts The Bodily Sovereignty Act (henceforth referred to as the Act).

Definitions

§ 2: When used in this Act: [I have removed the needlessly recursive definitions as unnecessary]

(1) Person shall be defined as a human individual.

(2) Child shall be defined as a young human being from age of zero to legal age of majority.

(3) Man shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as male.

(4) Woman shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as female.

Rights to Bodily Sovereignty

§ 3: By the powers vested in it, by the people and constitution, this senate hereby grants every non-convicted individual with sound mind, certain inalienable rights,unless their action are deemed hazardous to non-consenting indivudal [This is unnecessary in light of the previous statement about non-convicted] or they are deemed to not be of sound mind by professional examining body. These rights shall fall under umbrella term of "bodily sovereignty rights".
  1. Self defence: If an individual is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an individual, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary force.
  2. Reproductive rights: An individual will have final authority regarding their reproductive organs, sexual actions and reproduction provided, all indivudal involved in said act have provided informed consent to said act.
  3. End of life: An individual shall have final authority regarding their end of life decisions and shall be able to end their own lives without fear of legal consequences. This senate shall make no laws that may criminalise suicide of any kind unless it causes direct harm to individual who has not provided informed consent.
  4. Consumption: Individuals shall have final authority on what they input into their bodies unless it is required as material evidence in a court of law. It must be made clear that this does not apply to recreational drugs, which shall be handled by future legislation in this senate.
  5. Medical treatment: Individuals shall be able to refuse medical treatment should they see fit unless it is required as material evidence in court of law. Refusal to accept medical treatment however shall be a valid reason to quarantine an individual, if it is professional opinion that disease they carry is highly contagious and hazardous to public.


Consider this a Fifth. I have trimmed some of the fat, but the relevant wording and legal aim of the act is unchanged.


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The American Commune
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Postby The American Commune » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:25 pm

I vote AYE to the BSA.
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Postby Malgrave » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:37 pm

I vote FOR the BSA.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:58 pm

I vote against the BSA.

Unless the period has ended, the current vote is:

Support: 29
Against: 25
Abstain: 3
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