NSG Senate (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Great Nepal]

Wouldn't all necessary force be proportionate by definition?

Maybe reasonable force?

Rephrase that section to "Self defence: If an individual is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an individual, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary and reasonable force."
Sure. I mean, I dont think it changes anything but if it increases support, sure.

[Old Tyrannia]

Yeah, I've had a good read and there are some other murky lurking things in there; for example, does this allow abortions to birth? It's pretty unclear and I don't think we should pass legislation that is at all unclear, even if it does try to smuggle things through that we'd quite like to see.

Yes, the act enables abortion. It wasn't original intention when I wrote the bill originally but it just happened as positive side effect.

"Positive" if you have no issues with murdering children.

[Great Nepal]

Yes, the act enables abortion. It wasn't original intention when I wrote the bill originally but it just happened as positive side effect.

"Positive" if you have no issues with murdering children.

This act does not legalise murder of children, it legalises abortion.

[Old Tyrannia]

"Positive" if you have no issues with murdering children.

This act does not legalise murder of children, it legalises abortion.

Right up until the moment of birth. Which means that a baby potentially capable of surviving on its own, independent of its mother, could be "aborted." I.e., killed. Murdered.

[Britcan]

Maybe reasonable force?

Rephrase that section to "Self defence: If an individual is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an individual, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary and reasonable force."
Sure. I mean, I dont think it changes anything but if it increases support, sure.

I'm just interested in making the act clear to as many people as possible.

[Great Nepal]

This act does not legalise murder of children, it legalises abortion.

Right up until the moment of birth. Which means that a baby potentially capable of surviving on its own, independent of its mother, could be "aborted." I.e., killed. Murdered.

It is women's body, and no entity should be allowed to infringe upon her bodily sovereignty.

[Flaming Soul Forces]

I vote in favour of the Bodily Sovereignty Act

What troubles me though is the definitions of man and woman. Would that exclude trans people?

[Old Tyrannia]

Right up until the moment of birth. Which means that a baby potentially capable of surviving on its own, independent of its mother, could be "aborted." I.e., killed. Murdered.

It is women's body, and no entity should be allowed to infringe upon her bodily sovereignty.

In any truly civilized society, the right to life should trump the right to "bodily sovereignty." The woman in question should have considered the potential consequences before becoming pregnant, or, at the very least, had an abortion earlier in her pregnancy before the child developed the ability to think, survive on its own and experience pain.

[Britcan]

I vote in favour of the Bodily Sovereignty Act

What troubles me though is the definitions of man and woman. Would that exclude trans people?

I'm not an expert so I may be wrong but as it states 'biological gender' I don't think it would.

[Great Nepal]

I vote in favour of the Bodily Sovereignty Act

What troubles me though is the definitions of man and woman. Would that exclude trans people?

No, since in definition, it states "biological gender" and everyone has two distinct biological gender. This act does not affect transexual people, and in fact enables them to get sex change surgery since indivudal have "final authority regarding their reproductive organs".

It is women's body, and no entity should be allowed to infringe upon her bodily sovereignty.

In any truly civilized society, the right to life should trump the right to "bodily sovereignty." The woman in question should have considered the potential consequences before becoming pregnant, or, at the very least, had an abortion earlier in her pregnancy before the child developed the ability to think, survive on its own and experience pain.

In truly civilized society, we do not force anyone to give birth nor do we give rights to unborn entities violating other's body.

[Azurand]

Due on two-line whip enforced by Lord President of Classical Monarchist Party, Old Tyrannia to its members, due on blatant fact of this Act as a liberal tool to enforcing their so-called 'reform' of social values to the Aurentinan* people, due on the Classical Monarchist Party's commitment to preserve the old values, which shall be shown by its members action...

I, Senator Azurand hereby vote AGAINST this vicious Bodily Sovereignity Act. Hopefully this terrifying bill will not pass, for the greater good of people and the preservation of old, rightful tradition and social values.

Deo, Regi, Patriae
Senator Azurand of Classical Monarchist Party
Reactionary4Lyfe

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*Apologize if 'Aurentinan' is an incorrect demonym.
Please note that my post above may not be the official Party's position.

[Vietnam]

Due on two-line whip enforced by Lord President of Classical Monarchist Party, Old Tyrannia to its members, due on blatant fact of this Act as a liberal tool to enforcing their so-called 'reform' of social values to the Aurentinan* people, due on the Classical Monarchist Party's commitment to preserve the old values, which shall be shown by its members action...

I, Senator Azurand hereby vote AGAINST this vicious Bodily Sovereignity Act. Hopefully this terrifying bill will not pass, for the greater good of people and the preservation of old, rightful tradition and social values.

Deo, Regi, Patriae
Senator Azurand of Classical Monarchist Party
Reactionary4Lyfe

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*Apologize if 'Aurentinan' is an incorrect demonym.
Please note that my post above may not be the official Party's position.

Aurentina isn't the name of our country.

[Azurand]

Aurentina isn't the name of our country.

Aurentinia?

[Vietnam]

Aurentina isn't the name of our country.

Aurentinia?

Nope, our country doesn't have a name yet. Hippo and a few others thought it would be cool and have been calling it that, but that's about it.

[Old Tyrannia]

Due on two-line whip enforced by Lord President of Classical Monarchist Party, Old Tyrannia to its members, due on blatant fact of this Act as a liberal tool to enforcing their so-called 'reform' of social values to the Aurentinan* people, due on the Classical Monarchist Party's commitment to preserve the old values, which shall be shown by its members action...

I, Senator Azurand hereby vote AGAINST this vicious Bodily Sovereignity Act. Hopefully this terrifying bill will not pass, for the greater good of people and the preservation of old, rightful tradition and social values.

Deo, Regi, Patriae
Senator Azurand of Classical Monarchist Party
Reactionary4Lyfe

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*Apologize if 'Aurentinan' is an incorrect demonym.
Please note that my post above may not be the official Party's position.

Aurentina isn't the name of our country.

We don't have an official name but Aurentina has received substantial support and a certain senator has put a great deal of effort into writing a history of our nation using this name, so the CMP will use it as our nation's name until such a time that a different name is legally chosen.

And the demonym is "Aurentine" or "Aurentinian." Like "Argentine" and "Argentinian."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

In truly civilized society, we do not force anyone to give birth nor do we give rights to unborn entities violating other's body.

Tsk Tsk Tsk

As a senator with my own staff of scientists, we have determined that, indeed, the fetus is alive and can survive outside the womb after the 22nd week.

I propose an amendment to include alternate methods to abortion and an education course of about 2 days to prepare the woman to what she is going to endure after the abortion in terms of physiological and psychological changes in her POV after the 20th week.

[Flaming Soul Forces]

I vote in favour of the Bodily Sovereignty Act

What troubles me though is the definitions of man and woman. Would that exclude trans people?

No, since in definition, it states "biological gender" and everyone has two distinct biological gender. This act does not affect transexual people, and in fact enables them to get sex change surgery since indivudal have "final authority regarding their reproductive organs".

Fair enough.But what about intersex people?

[Shrillland]

I vote in favour of the Bodily Sovereignty Act.

[Maklohi Vai]

I vote for the Bodily Sovereignty Act

For: 6
Against: 2

[Great Nepal]

In truly civilized society, we do not force anyone to give birth nor do we give rights to unborn entities violating other's body.

Tsk Tsk Tsk
As a senator with my own staff of scientists, we have determined that, indeed, the fetus is alive and can survive outside the womb after the 22nd week.

It is still within women's body, thereby violating her body if she does not want it there.

I propose an amendment to include alternate methods to abortion

This proposal does nothing to prevent suggestion on alternate method to abortion. It only enables women to choose that option if they wish to.

and an education course of about 2 days to prepare the woman to what she is going to endure after the abortion in terms of physiological and psychological changes in her POV after the 20th week.

This proposal does nothing to prevent voluntary course like that, no one should however be mandated into such course however.

No, since in definition, it states "biological gender" and everyone has two distinct biological gender. This act does not affect transexual people, and in fact enables them to get sex change surgery since indivudal have "final authority regarding their reproductive organs".

Fair enough.But what about intersex people?

Do people have more than one biological sex (their reproductive organs)? If they do, then I was not aware of this and act can be changed to include word "third gender" to cover such occurances.

[Divair]

I vote in favour of the Bodily Sovereignty Act.

[Vietnam]

Has voting even started?

[Divair]

Has voting even started?

Seems like it.

[Maklohi Vai]

Has voting even started?

Seems like it.

It received 5 motions to go to voting, yes. There was talk of expanding the required amount of motions, but I don't believe that was ever agreed upon or passed.

Also

For: 7
Against: 2

[Great Nepal]

Seems like it.

It received 5 motions to go to voting, yes. There was talk of expanding the required amount of motions, but I don't believe that was ever agreed upon or passed.

Also

For: 7
Against: 2

Really, well great. I was just asleep for 9 hours and it is in vote.
Oh, and since I haven't voted yet, its aye from me (obviously).