NSG Senate (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Grenartia]

Indeed. I move to begin brainstorming on a solution to the problem.

Well ideally someone would post a list somewhere and try to keep it updated

What happens when that person goes offline?

[Yankee Empire]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

1) So unborn Humans don't have a right to live?

[Silent Majority]

Well ideally someone would post a list somewhere and try to keep it updated

What happens when that person goes offline?

We could just have several people to do it and have them periodically post the queue in either this thread or the organization thread, sort of like the way they've been keeping the parliament diagram updated.

It still might get lost in all the clutter, but it would be better than what we have now

[Agritum]

I move to start voting the Bodily Sovereignity Act.

[Regnum Dominae]

I move to start voting the Bodily Sovereignity Act.

Seconded.

[New Freedomstan]

I move to start voting the Bodily Sovereignity Act.

Seconded.

Thirded.

[Othelos]

I move to start voting the Bodily Sovereignity Act.

What's the latest copy of that bill?

[Trotskylvania]

Since Bodily Sovereignty Act reached enough support in coffee shop, I would like to submit this to be put in queue for debate in the floor.

Bodily Sovereignty Act
Urgency: Urgent| Drafted by: Great Nepal

This senate recognises self ownership and sovereignty of the individual as one of fundamental and inalienable rights held equally by all non-convicted men, women and children. Upholding principles held by philosophers William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson, this senate enacts bodily sovereignty act (henceforth referred to as the act). For purposes of this act and future proposals following definitions have been utilized,
Person shall be defined as "a human being regarded as an individual".
Indivudal shall be defined as "a single human being as distinct from a group".
Human being shall be defined as "a man, woman, third gender or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance".
Child shall be defined as "a young human being from age of zero to legal age of majority which shall be defined by latter legislation".
Man shall be defined as "adult human with biological gender as male".
Woman shall be defined for this act as "adult human with biological gender as female".

By the powers vested in it, by the people and constitution, this senate hereby grants every non-convicted indivudal with sound mind, certain inalienable rights, unless their action are deemed hazardous to non-consenting indivudal or they are deemed to not be of sound mind by professional examining body. These rights shall fall under umbrella term of "bodily sovereignty rights". These rights are as follows:-

• Self defence: If an indivudal is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an indivudal, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary force.
• Reproductive rights: An indivudal will have final authority regarding their reproductive organs, sexual actions and reproduction provided, all indivudal involved in said act have provided informed consent to said act.
• End of life: An indivudal shall have final authority regarding their end of life decisions and shall be able to end their own lives without fear of legal consequences. This senate shall make no laws that may criminalise suicide of any kind unless it causes direct harm to indivudal who has not provided informed consent.
• Consumption: Indivudal shall have final authority on what they input into their bodies unless it is required as material evidence in a court of law. It must be made clear that this does not apply to recreational drugs, which shall be handled by future legislation in this senate.
• Medical treatment: Indivudal shall be able to refuse medical treatment should they see fit unless it is required as material evidence in court of law. Refusal to accept medical treatment however shall be a valid reason to quarantine an indivudal, if it is professional opinion that disease they carry is highly contagious and hazardous to public.

Latest copy, as far as I can tell. Needs cleaning up. If you'll give me a minute, I will clean it up before we move to a vote.

[Othelos]

Since Bodily Sovereignty Act reached enough support in coffee shop, I would like to submit this to be put in queue for debate in the floor.

Bodily Sovereignty Act
Urgency: Urgent| Drafted by: Great Nepal

This senate recognises self ownership and sovereignty of the individual as one of fundamental and inalienable rights held equally by all non-convicted men, women and children. Upholding principles held by philosophers William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson, this senate enacts bodily sovereignty act (henceforth referred to as the act). For purposes of this act and future proposals following definitions have been utilized,
Person shall be defined as "a human being regarded as an individual".
Indivudal shall be defined as "a single human being as distinct from a group".
Human being shall be defined as "a man, woman, third gender or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance".
Child shall be defined as "a young human being from age of zero to legal age of majority which shall be defined by latter legislation".
Man shall be defined as "adult human with biological gender as male".
Woman shall be defined for this act as "adult human with biological gender as female".

By the powers vested in it, by the people and constitution, this senate hereby grants every non-convicted indivudal with sound mind, certain inalienable rights, unless their action are deemed hazardous to non-consenting indivudal or they are deemed to not be of sound mind by professional examining body. These rights shall fall under umbrella term of "bodily sovereignty rights". These rights are as follows:-

• Self defence: If an indivudal is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an indivudal, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary force.
• Reproductive rights: An indivudal will have final authority regarding their reproductive organs, sexual actions and reproduction provided, all indivudal involved in said act have provided informed consent to said act.
• End of life: An indivudal shall have final authority regarding their end of life decisions and shall be able to end their own lives without fear of legal consequences. This senate shall make no laws that may criminalise suicide of any kind unless it causes direct harm to indivudal who has not provided informed consent.
• Consumption: Indivudal shall have final authority on what they input into their bodies unless it is required as material evidence in a court of law. It must be made clear that this does not apply to recreational drugs, which shall be handled by future legislation in this senate.
• Medical treatment: Indivudal shall be able to refuse medical treatment should they see fit unless it is required as material evidence in court of law. Refusal to accept medical treatment however shall be a valid reason to quarantine an indivudal, if it is professional opinion that disease they carry is highly contagious and hazardous to public.

Latest copy, as far as I can tell. Needs cleaning up. If you'll give me a minute, I will clean it up before we move to a vote.

Awesome.

Seconded.

Thirded.

Fourthed.

[Trotskylvania]

Bodily Sovereignty Act
Urgency: Urgent| Drafted by: Great Nepal | Edited for Archiving by Trotskylvania

Findings

§ 1: This senate recognises self ownership and sovereignty of the individual as one of fundamental and inalienable rights held equally by all non-convicted men, women and children. Upholding principles held by philosophers William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson, this senate enacts The Bodily Sovereignty Act (henceforth referred to as the Act).

Definitions

§ 2: When used in this Act: [I have removed the needlessly recursive definitions as unnecessary]

(1) Person shall be defined as a human individual.

(2) Child shall be defined as a young human being from age of zero to legal age of majority.

(3) Man shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as male.

(4) Woman shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as female.

Rights to Bodily Sovereignty

§ 3: By the powers vested in it, by the people and constitution, this senate hereby grants every non-convicted individual with sound mind, certain inalienable rights,unless their action are deemed hazardous to non-consenting indivudal [This is unnecessary in light of the previous statement about non-convicted] or they are deemed to not be of sound mind by professional examining body. These rights shall fall under umbrella term of "bodily sovereignty rights".

1. Self defence: If an individual is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an individual, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary force.
2. Reproductive rights: An individual will have final authority regarding their reproductive organs, sexual actions and reproduction provided, all indivudal involved in said act have provided informed consent to said act.
3. End of life: An individual shall have final authority regarding their end of life decisions and shall be able to end their own lives without fear of legal consequences. This senate shall make no laws that may criminalise suicide of any kind unless it causes direct harm to individual who has not provided informed consent.
4. Consumption: Individuals shall have final authority on what they input into their bodies unless it is required as material evidence in a court of law. It must be made clear that this does not apply to recreational drugs, which shall be handled by future legislation in this senate.
5. Medical treatment: Individuals shall be able to refuse medical treatment should they see fit unless it is required as material evidence in court of law. Refusal to accept medical treatment however shall be a valid reason to quarantine an individual, if it is professional opinion that disease they carry is highly contagious and hazardous to public.

Consider this a Fifth. I have trimmed some of the fat, but the relevant wording and legal aim of the act is unchanged.

[The New Greek Republic]

I vote in favor of the BSA.

[Glasgia]

Consider this a Fifth. I have trimmed some of the fat, but the relevant wording and legal aim of the act is unchanged.

I vote in favor of the BSA.

Seventhed

[Great Nepal]

Bodily Sovereignty Act
Urgency: Urgent| Drafted by: Great Nepal | Edited for Archiving by Trotskylvania

Findings

§ 1: This senate recognises self ownership and sovereignty of the individual as one of fundamental and inalienable rights held equally by all non-convicted men, women and children. Upholding principles held by philosophers William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson, this senate enacts The Bodily Sovereignty Act (henceforth referred to as the Act).

Definitions

§ 2: When used in this Act:

(1) Person shall be defined as a human individual.

(2) Child shall be defined as a young human being from age of zero moment of birth to legal age of majority.

(3) Man shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as male.

(4) Woman shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as female.

Rights to Bodily Sovereignty

§ 3: By the powers vested in it, by the people and constitution, this senate hereby grants every non-convicted individual with sound mind, certain inalienable rights, This is unnecessary in light of the previous statement about non-convicted] or they are deemed to not be of sound mind by professional examining body. These rights shall fall under umbrella term of "bodily sovereignty rights".

1. Self defence: If an individual is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an individual, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary force.
2. Reproductive rights: An individual will have final authority regarding their reproductive organs, sexual actions and reproduction provided, all indivudal involved in said act have provided informed consent to said act.
3. End of life: An individual shall have final authority regarding their end of life decisions and shall be able to end their own lives without fear of legal consequences. This senate shall make no laws that may criminalise suicide of any kind unless it causes direct harm to individual who has not provided informed consent.
4. Consumption: Individuals shall have final authority on what they input into their bodies unless it is required as material evidence in a court of law. It must be made clear that this does not apply to recreational drugs, which shall be handled by future legislation in this senate.
5. Medical treatment: Individuals shall be able to refuse medical treatment should they see fit unless it is required as material evidence in court of law. Refusal to accept medical treatment however shall be a valid reason to quarantine an individual, if it is professional opinion that disease they carry is highly contagious and hazardous to public.

Consider this a Fifth. I have trimmed some of the fat, but the relevant wording and legal aim of the act is unchanged.

I changed a bit in definition of child, just to ensure someone cant make argument that age zero is when foetus is made. Oh, and thanks for editing and support.

[Arglorand]

Consider this a Fifth. I have trimmed some of the fat, but the relevant wording and legal aim of the act is unchanged.

I vote in favor of the BSA.

Seventhed

Eighthed, if that is even necessary.

[Arglorand]

And I also vote in favor of the BSA.

[Grenartia]

What happens when that person goes offline?

We could just have several people to do it and have them periodically post the queue in either this thread or the organization thread, sort of like the way they've been keeping the parliament diagram updated.

It still might get lost in all the clutter, but it would be better than what we have now

Then how do we determine who does it, and with what frequency?

[Agritum]

I too vote in favour of the Act.

[Fulflood]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

1) So unborn Humans don't have a right to live?

Not really; I think what this means is that unborn humans may or may not have a right to live, but we're leaving that to a later date to decide. Due to the fact that people debate it vigorously, it's probably not a 'basic human right', just like the 'right' to own firearms and ammunition.
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Bodily Sovereignty Act
Urgency: Urgent| Drafted by: Great Nepal | Edited for Archiving by Trotskylvania

Findings

§ 1: This senate recognises self ownership and sovereignty of the individual as one of fundamental and inalienable rights held equally by all non-convicted men, women and children. Upholding principles held by philosophers William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson, this senate enacts The Bodily Sovereignty Act (henceforth referred to as the Act).

Definitions

§ 2: When used in this Act: [I have removed the needlessly recursive definitions as unnecessary]

(1) Person shall be defined as a human individual.

(2) Child shall be defined as a young human being from age of zero to legal age of majority.

(3) Man shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as male.

(4) Woman shall be defined as an adult human with biological gender as female.

Rights to Bodily Sovereignty

§ 3: By the powers vested in it, by the people and constitution, this senate hereby grants every non-convicted individual with sound mind, certain inalienable rights,unless their action are deemed hazardous to non-consenting indivudal [This is unnecessary in light of the previous statement about non-convicted] or they are deemed to not be of sound mind by professional examining body. These rights shall fall under umbrella term of "bodily sovereignty rights".

1. Self defence: If an individual is threatened with injury to their life or limb, or loss of bodily materials by actions of third party which may or may not be an individual, they shall be able to engage in self defence to neutralise the said threat by using all necessary force.
2. Reproductive rights: An individual will have final authority regarding their reproductive organs, sexual actions and reproduction provided, all indivudal involved in said act have provided informed consent to said act.
3. End of life: An individual shall have final authority regarding their end of life decisions and shall be able to end their own lives without fear of legal consequences. This senate shall make no laws that may criminalise suicide of any kind unless it causes direct harm to individual who has not provided informed consent.
4. Consumption: Individuals shall have final authority on what they input into their bodies unless it is required as material evidence in a court of law. It must be made clear that this does not apply to recreational drugs, which shall be handled by future legislation in this senate.
5. Medical treatment: Individuals shall be able to refuse medical treatment should they see fit unless it is required as material evidence in court of law. Refusal to accept medical treatment however shall be a valid reason to quarantine an individual, if it is professional opinion that disease they carry is highly contagious and hazardous to public.

Could we say necessary and proportionate? Otherwise it gets kinda murky, especially considering 'bodily possessions' are in there. This would result in a tenth or ninth or whatever is needed from me.

[Old Tyrannia]

I vote AGAINST the Bodily Sovereignty Act, on the grounds that 1) The Act as currently phrased would allow abortions at any stage in the pregnancy, 2) The Act legalizes euthanasia.

[Great Nepal]

Could we say necessary and proportionate? Otherwise it gets kinda murky, especially considering 'bodily possessions' are in there. This would result in a tenth or ninth or whatever is needed from me.

Wouldn't all necessary force be proportionate by definition?

[Fulflood]

Could we say necessary and proportionate? Otherwise it gets kinda murky, especially considering 'bodily possessions' are in there. This would result in a tenth or ninth or whatever is needed from me.

Wouldn't all necessary force be proportionate by definition?

Yeah, I've had a good read and there are some other murky lurking things in there; for example, does this allow abortions to birth? It's pretty unclear and I don't think we should pass legislation that is at all unclear, even if it does try to smuggle things through that we'd quite like to see.

[Great Nepal]

Wouldn't all necessary force be proportionate by definition?

Yeah, I've had a good read and there are some other murky lurking things in there; for example, does this allow abortions to birth? It's pretty unclear and I don't think we should pass legislation that is at all unclear, even if it does try to smuggle things through that we'd quite like to see.

Yes, the act enables abortion. It wasn't original intention when I wrote the bill originally but it just happened as positive side effect.

[Agritum]

Wouldn't all necessary force be proportionate by definition?

Yeah, I've had a good read and there are some other murky lurking things in there; for example, does this allow abortions to birth? It's pretty unclear and I don't think we should pass legislation that is at all unclear, even if it does try to smuggle things through that we'd quite like to see.

Since a baby would have personhood at birth, abortion at birth would qualify as murder.

[New Freedomstan]

With the support of four other senators, I move that this bill be added to the queue for debate:

National Retirement and Pensions Act
Urgency: Moderate | Drafted By: New Freedomstan

No-one can work indefinitely, and forcing the pensioners who were not wealthy enough in their working life to get a private pension with which to leave their autumn years in prosperity, to live in utter poverty is unfit for any developed and humane state. We profess that the elderly of our nation will be taken care of, and shown the respect owed to the workers and people who built our nation. We pledge that no man or woman shall need to suffer after work for their profession during their working career.

Article 1: On the age of retirement.
1a: All people shall be able to retire from their professions and jobs at the age of 62.
1b: People in physically harsh professions and jobs, as determined by medical professionals and physiotherapists, shall be able to retire fully at the age of 55.
1c: People shall be able to voluntarily work until death, and there shall be no criminalisation of people who choose to remain in the workforce past the national retirement age.

Article 2: On the national pension
2a: Pensioners without private pension plans are due 2/3 of their annual wage before retirement, as measured as the average of the best ten years of income. Best is defined as the ten consecutive years with the highest income.
2b: National Pensions are to be paid out by the central state.
2c: The pension paid out is not to exceed the median wage, even if an individual pensioner is due more due to article 2a.
2d: Most pensioners with a private pension plan are due up to 1/3 of their annual wage before retirement, as measured as the average of the best ten years of income. Best is defined as the ten consecutive years with the highest income.
2e: Pensioners with a private pension plan that exceeds the national median wage, will not receive a state-pension.
2f: All pensioners are due at least 1/2 of the median wage in pensions, even if this is more than what is stipulated in 2a and 2d.

Article 3: On the financing of the national pension
3a: The National Pension will be partially funded through an additional flat 1.5% tax on capital income and income from work, but not other sources of income. Any remaining cost of the National Pensions will be funded by the budget.

[Britcan]

Could we say necessary and proportionate? Otherwise it gets kinda murky, especially considering 'bodily possessions' are in there. This would result in a tenth or ninth or whatever is needed from me.

Wouldn't all necessary force be proportionate by definition?

Maybe reasonable force?