NSG Senate (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[TaQud]

Do you think it would be possible to include the implementation of a national bird in this bill? If so, I would recommend the tit:

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not surprised that Divair posted this

[Forster Keys]

Honourable Senators,
I'd like to submit the following legislative proposal to the Senate queue for debate.

LEGISLATION SUBMISSION
Official Title: The Business Accountability Act
Sponsor(s): Shrillland, TerraPublica, Othelos, Ujh Uhj, Toronina
Text of Legislation (please put in spoiler):

The Business Accountability Act
Drafted by: Polvia
Co-Drafted by: Aquitayne, Soviet Canuckistan

The Senate of the nation that has yet to be named;
DEFINING “business institution” as: Any organization involved in the trade of goods, services, or both to consumers.
OBSERVING the great potential for institutions of business to do great harm to their employees through their practices.
REALIZING that there are no laws that hold business institutions accountable to the safety of their workers.
MANDATES that any injury or death of any worker, or multiple workers, while on the job, regardless of the nature of said worker’s nationality or residence, shall be brought to an inquiry on the business practices of the business institution.
MANDATES that, if the injury or death of a worker or multiple workers, should it be found that said injury(s) or death(s) are, in anyway, connected to;

1) The practices of the business institution,
2) The negligence of the business institution, being aware of potential hazard, to take actions;
3) The disregard of the business institution to follow safety laws, or its own established safety protocol.

MANDATES That said business institution(s) be forced to give compensation in the following manner if the end result is death(s):

1) The coverage of all funeral costs, likewise related death costs, and/or the full coverage of all medical bills,
2) A payment to the household of said worker(s), or closest living immediate relative if worker lives alone, or payment to the government should neither be available, equal to two years wages of that worker(s).
3) A payment of equal variety that is equal in value to three years benefits.
4) For all coverage plans that the covered the household prior to the death or injury of the worker(s) remain in application for a minimum of five years.
5) The business institution be charged with any and all fines that can be applied in the scenario.

MANDATES That said business institution(s) be forced to give compensation in the following manner if the end result is injury(s):

1) The full coverage of all insurance and medical bills,
2) Full pay and benefits for recovery time assigned by a registered Doctor,
3) The business institution be charged with any and all fines that can be applied in the scenario.

MANDATES That said business institution(s) cover the cost of the investigation should they be found guilty of any of the aforementioned provisions.
RESTRICTS an institution from firing any injured workers until they are given one month (30 days) to prove they are capable of working again after the recovery time (as defined under the Injury Mandate clause) is finished,
ESTABLISHES the Business Safety Ministry to be charged with these inquiries into business institutions, and the application of fines upon said business institutions.

Seems alright.

[Silent Majority]

Not that I really have anything against the act, but I don't think it really accomplishes anything. If we are indeed acting under parliamentary procedure, then we cannot bind any future senate, so therefore future bills can simply override the previously established protections in this bill.

[Beta Test]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression through writing, drawing, assembly, and press,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

Opposed on the grounds that the freedom of expression clause is too specific, and not vague enough.

Senator Grenartia, how is that clause too specific?

[Imperiatom]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression through writing, drawing, assembly, and press,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

Opposed on the grounds that the freedom of expression clause is too specific, and not vague enough.

Is this opposite day?

[Grenartia]

Opposed on the grounds that the freedom of expression clause is too specific, and not vague enough.

Senator Grenartia, how is that clause too specific?

It could be construed as only allowing the stated forms of expression, allowing laws that restrict things like methods of dress, hair styles/colors, tattoos/body art, etc.

[The Treorai]

Senators, voting cannot begin now, as there is a queue for bills to be debated. We are currently debating the limitation act, I believe.

We were not voting. Actually, the fourth edition of the limitation act was never moved to debate, and before that it was moved back to the drafting board. I know because I seconded the motion myself. My movement to start debate on this is legal as, as the OP in the coffee shop states, there is no set queue, and no bill was being legally debated.

[Beta Test]

Senator Grenartia, how is that clause too specific?

It could be construed as only allowing the stated forms of expression, allowing laws that restrict things like methods of dress, hair styles/colors, tattoos/body art, etc.

What was meant was expression of information and opinion.

[Grenartia]

It could be construed as only allowing the stated forms of expression, allowing laws that restrict things like methods of dress, hair styles/colors, tattoos/body art, etc.

What was meant was expression of information and opinion.

That falls under the freedoms of speech and thought, Senator.

[Beta Test]

What was meant was expression of information and opinion.

That falls under the freedoms of speech and thought, Senator.

So then how should it be amended? Do we include clothes, hair styles, etc. or do we make it more vague by not specifying?

[Geilinor]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression through writing, drawing, assembly, and press,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

Opposed on the grounds that the freedom of expression clause is too specific, and not vague enough.

I agree. It says, "through writing, drawing, assembly, and press". What about video?

[Grenartia]

That falls under the freedoms of speech and thought, Senator.

So then how should it be amended? Do we include clothes, hair styles, etc. or do we make it more vague by not specifying?

I say we shouldn't specify it, the same way we don't specify speech, religion, or thought.

[Geilinor]

So then how should it be amended? Do we include clothes, hair styles, etc. or do we make it more vague by not specifying?

I say we shouldn't specify it, the same way we don't specify speech, religion, or thought.

That would be best. Or change the "through" to "including".

[The Treorai]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

Quoted to make Clause 5 less specific.

[Geilinor]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

Leave it at this. I now support your motion.

[Beta Test]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

Quoted to make Clause 5 less specific.

How about that my fellow Senators?

[Geilinor]

Quoted to make Clause 5 less specific.

How about that my fellow Senators?

Looks good.

[Grenartia]

How about that my fellow Senators?

Looks good.

Its got my seal of approval.

[Trotskylvania]

1) You are out of order with this act. There is a queue already established, and we should move to the next item on it, which is the Bodily Sovereignty Act.

2) This bill is dead letter, as there is no constitution as of yet, and the Senate operates under the condition of parliamentary supremacy.

[The Treorai]

1) You are out of order with this act. There is a queue already established, and we should move to the next item on it, which is the Bodily Sovereignty Act.

2) This bill is dead letter, as there is no constitution as of yet, and the Senate operates under the condition of parliamentary supremacy.

(1) I should draw your attention to the Coffee shop OP.
"Keep in mind that when you are ready to officially submit it, please have someone move to put it up for debate in the chamber thread. It will require the normal amount of motions to put it up for debate. There is no set queue."

(2) Source? Or is that just assumption.

[Trotskylvania]

1) You are out of order with this act. There is a queue already established, and we should move to the next item on it, which is the Bodily Sovereignty Act.

2) This bill is dead letter, as there is no constitution as of yet, and the Senate operates under the condition of parliamentary supremacy.

(1) I should draw your attention to the Coffee shop OP.
"Keep in mind that when you are ready to officially submit it, please have someone move to put it up for debate in the chamber thread. It will require the normal amount of motions to put it up for debate. There is no set queue."

(2) Source? Or is that just assumption.

1) The first act of this Senate was to overrule that. I refer you to the OP of this thread, which has the rules of Senate procedure under the misleading title "Constitution of the New Senate". I quote:

REALIZING the confusion that would be caused by multiple bills to be voted at a time, thusly LIMITING the number of bills up to vote to 1; bills that have reached the 5 approvals necessary will be next in chronological order of which bills reached minimum approvals first,

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While there is no queue in the Coffee Shop, there is however one in the Chamber.

2) There are no limits established to the Senate's legislative authority, nor is there a judicial system to assess the constitutionality of acts, nor is there a recognizable constitution of any sort, with rules for amendment. Establishing any Bill of Rights is impossible, because the Senate cannot restrict the legislative action of the future Senate.

[Silent Majority]

We really need a better way of keeping track of what's in the queue

[Grenartia]

We really need a better way of keeping track of what's in the queue

Indeed. I move to begin brainstorming on a solution to the problem.

[Othelos]

We really need a better way of keeping track of what's in the queue

Indeed. I move to begin brainstorming on a solution to the problem.

Maybe a thread for debate and a thread specifically for voting?

[Silent Majority]

We really need a better way of keeping track of what's in the queue

Indeed. I move to begin brainstorming on a solution to the problem.

Well ideally someone would post a list somewhere and try to keep it updated