NSG Senate Lobby (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Wolfmanne]

Having family members who have served in the British Armed Forces, your statement is wholly wrong.

Allright guys, a time for poll: Whose training is better?
British Army:
Gurkhas:
This is while I go and try and find videos and articles to demonstrate my point of Gurkhas (which I dont think should be nessecery but hey)...

Gurkhas are an excellent component of the British Army, yes. They are one of our finest brigades for sure.

[Ceannairceach]

Senator Kourie rose and held out his hand for the pleasant-looking newcomer. "We are debating whether the British Military should train ours." His face passed a momentary look of disgust, "Some fools feel that the British Military's training is somehow in any way bad..."

Oh, no its not bad. Its just that it could be better if we added trainings of Gurkhas and perhaps Americans to it.

The British maintain gurkha regiments and share tactics with America. Have since NATO.

[Imperiatom]

1)Like i said one of the most well trained army's in the world.
2)Works both ways, they know our training and we know their's. LOL. so the nations our "experts" come from will not know how we are trained?
3) why are you being so snobby. Free help except it and don't be a fool about it.

1. They are, yes however I would much prefer our armed forces to be melting pot of training from Gurkhas, British, American, Germans and French as opposed to just British training.
2a. No, it does not because they are giving the training. They will of course keep their best tactics themselves.
2b. Yes, since we will hire retired indivudal who dont report back to their capitals.
3. It is matter of national pride. Accepting free help, is accepting status as inferior partner nation.

Senator GN, in response to your three points that I cannot quote as I am on a phone, you are wrong. First of all, the British maintain one of the best militaries in the world. To maintain an army comparable to theirs is something to be proud of in and of itself.

British army < Gurkhas + Americans + German + French + British.

Second, were we to hire "retired generals" as you advocate, our tactics would be known by their former employers.

No, because we will be relying on training of various nations, for a nation to know our entire tactics, there would need to be massive international conspiracy.

Finally, no national pride is worth having a military coup thanks to foreigners with a dream of dictatoral rule.

How are couple of retired generals, going to coup this nation?

1)You can't mix training since its interlinked.
2a)They will not. They did not when it comes to the ASAS along with all other special forces they have helped form and train. Why would they not help us achieve the same? The have a history of training special forces of friendly nations and ex-colonies.
2b)The country they are from will know we have hired them. Other nations have intelligence agency's and the hiring of a retired general will certainly catch their attention.
3)so you are a fool since pride always comes before a fall. I don't want our nation to fall, do you?

[Priory Academy USSR]

Having family members who have served in the British Armed Forces, your statement is wholly wrong.

Mhm?

Their Reliance upon NATO to come up with their Military Tactics is also a weakeness come to think of it; i suppose i should credit to them.

They lack creativity.

'They lack creativity'

What sort of an argument is that? Creativity is hardly a measurable quantity. I would point out that virtually all high quality militaries are part of NATO, and so would suffer the same loss of 'creativity'.

[Isarabaeum]

He laughed, telling the one who thought he was drunk "No, I'm not intoxicated." He really wasn't anyways. "No, you guys are talking about - military stuff, stuff I don't particularly know a lot about because my nation has little need for an army. We have a militia to defend ourselves, but that's about it - for we're not interested in causing conflicts of any sort, that's all. We're pacifists, so we try our best so as to never partake in such atrocities like war ourselves." He smiled afterwards, because he was always glad to be able to say that. "But I'll help you guys fund your militaries if you need the help too, heck - I don't mind selling you weapons and mercenaries who are gifted at this kinda' shady work required to keep others in order."

[Imperiatom]

Having family members who have served in the British Armed Forces, your statement is wholly wrong.

Allright guys, a time for poll: Whose training is better?
British Army:
Gurkhas:
This is while I go and try and find videos and articles to demonstrate my point of Gurkhas (which I dont think should be nessecery but hey)...

The Gurkha's are trained by the British army.

[Great Nepal]

Allright guys, a time for poll: Whose training is better?
British Army:
Gurkhas:
This is while I go and try and find videos and articles to demonstrate my point of Gurkhas (which I dont think should be nessecery but hey)...

The British Army has Gurkhas...

We wont get their training though, because they are going to be used in warzone rather than training for free.

Oh, no its not bad. Its just that it could be better if we added trainings of Gurkhas and perhaps Americans to it.

The British maintain gurkha regiments and share tactics with America. Have since NATO.

Yes, but we wont get those training because we are getting it for free. What we will get is training of standard British brigade.

1)You can't mix training since its interlinked.
2a)They will not. They did not when it comes to the ASAS along with all other special forces they have helped form and train. Why would they not help us achieve the same? The have a history of training special forces of friendly nations and ex-colonies.
2b)The country they are from will know we have hired them. Other nations have intelligence agency's and the hiring of a retired general will certainly catch their attention.
3)so you are a fool since pride always comes before a fall. I don't want our nation to fall, do you?

1. Why wont we be able to mix trainings? We pick and choose to form the ideal combination.
2a. What do they have to gain? Nothing and all ASAS was member of commonwealth and has alliance with Britain, we wont.
2b. Yes, every country will know a bit however no one has full picture.
3. Pride does not come before fall. National pride is nessecery for us to remain an independent nation.

[The Zeonic States]

Mhm?

Their Reliance upon NATO to come up with their Military Tactics is also a weakeness come to think of it; i suppose i should credit to them.

They lack creativity.

'They lack creativity'

What sort of an argument is that? Creativity is hardly a measurable quantity. I would point out that virtually all high quality militaries are part of NATO, and so would suffer the same loss of 'creativity'.

Quite! Your Point is well recieved Hecne why i would Propose A National War College to be formed.

Given that the Training and Loss of National Centered Tactics that would occur if we just too the broad standard NATO issue training that would befall our forces otherwise.

Not to mention that was the least of my agruments my main focus was on how their Intercompany Management System was flawed in so far as the Infantry was concerned due to Broad divisions between their Command and Admin Groups.

We Mirror the British and we take in their faults and i believe we can aim higher as i have repeatedly stated.

[Imperiatom]

Mhm?

Their Reliance upon NATO to come up with their Military Tactics is also a weakeness come to think of it; i suppose i should credit to them.

They lack creativity.

'They lack creativity'

What sort of an argument is that? Creativity is hardly a measurable quantity. I would point out that virtually all high quality militaries are part of NATO, and so would suffer the same loss of 'creativity'.

Creativity is really the leadership of the officer core. And since cadets from many nations have trained at sandhurst it must be quite good. Some Americans are even going there soon i think.

[Ceannairceach]

Says who, Senator? You? I say that the British will gladly give us a few gurkhas to train the men. Who are you, and on what authority, to say they won't?

[Irredento]

He laughed, telling the one who thought he was drunk "No, I'm not intoxicated." He really wasn't anyways. "No, you guys are talking about - military stuff, stuff I don't particularly know a lot about because my nation has little need for an army. We have a militia to defend ourselves, but that's about it - for we're not interested in causing conflicts of any sort, that's all. We're pacifists, so we try our best so as to never partake in such atrocities like war ourselves." He smiled afterwards, because he was always glad to be able to say that. "But I'll help you guys fund your militaries if you need the help too, heck - I don't mind selling you weapons and mercenaries who are gifted at this kinda' shady work required to keep others in order."

We're not roleplaying as nations here. Rather, we are roleplaying as individuals and are mostly OOC although some people are supporting ideologies they would not in real life.

[Great Nepal]

Says who, Senator? You? I say that the British will gladly give us a few gurkhas to train the men. Who are you, and on what authority, to say they won't?

What do they have to gain from doing so? Nothing therefore, it is only logical for them to not give us their best troops.

[Ceannairceach]

Says who, Senator? You? I say that the British will gladly give us a few gurkhas to train the men. Who are you, and on what authority, to say they won't?

What do they have to gain from doing so? Nothing therefore, it is only logical for them to not give us their best troops.

Says you, Senator. I have it on good authority that if we asked, the British would accomadate.

[The Zeonic States]

'They lack creativity'

What sort of an argument is that? Creativity is hardly a measurable quantity. I would point out that virtually all high quality militaries are part of NATO, and so would suffer the same loss of 'creativity'.

Creativity is really the leadership of the officer core. And since cadets from many nations have trained at sandhurst it must be quite good. Some Americans are even going there soon i think.

Given that we can found our own War College i don't see the point in sending Nationals to a foreign insistute.

[Great Nepal]

What do they have to gain from doing so? Nothing therefore, it is only logical for them to not give us their best troops.

Says you, Senator. I have it on good authority that if we asked, the British would accomadate.

They would ask for something in return, it only makes sense. There is no such thing as free lunch, senator and it is quite foolhardy to hope to get one.

[Seelelander]

We're not roleplaying as nations here. Rather, we are roleplaying as individuals and are mostly OOC although some people are supporting ideologies they would not in real life.

I am playing OOC from my real political views, but I prefer to have fun, so IC roleplaying is fun enough from me.

[Isarabaeum]

(I understand, that's why I am role playing as my nation's king here silly.) He watched as all of the others continued to chat to one another, slowly enjoying his drink every now and again when he felt like it.

[The Zeonic States]

Says who, Senator? You? I say that the British will gladly give us a few gurkhas to train the men. Who are you, and on what authority, to say they won't?

What do they have to gain from doing so? Nothing therefore, it is only logical for them to not give us their best troops.

Honestly i believe having our Military Trained by Foreigners when it is designed to be Domestic orginization is pure Fallacy.

We can Take in Idea's and Comparisions, Techologies and Tactics Certainly but Training should be a Nationalized Industry.

[Ceannairceach]

Says you, Senator. I have it on good authority that if we asked, the British would accomadate.

They would ask for something in return, it only makes sense. There is no such thing as free lunch, senator and it is quite foolhardy to hope to get one.

No, they wouldn't, unless we offered. You're not good at this, are you?

[Seelelander]

Welcome Comrade, please enjoy the ride here. Are you affiliated with any parties?

[Britcan]

(I understand, that's why I am role playing as my nation's king here silly.) He watched as all of the others continued to chat to one another, slowly enjoying his drink every now and again when he felt like it.

We're meant to be senators running a fictional country in the real world. Your nation doesn't exist.

[Great Nepal]

They would ask for something in return, it only makes sense. There is no such thing as free lunch, senator and it is quite foolhardy to hope to get one.

No, they wouldn't, unless we offered. You're not good at this, are you?

Why would they give us everything we want without getting anything in return? Would you give me fifty thousand dollars in return for nothing?

[Ceannairceach]

Creativity is really the leadership of the officer core. And since cadets from many nations have trained at sandhurst it must be quite good. Some Americans are even going there soon i think.

Given that we can found our own War College i don't see the point in sending Nationals to a foreign insistute.

So they can return with the knowledge to set up a war college

[The Zeonic States]

No, they wouldn't, unless we offered. You're not good at this, are you?

Why would they give us everything we want without getting anything in return? Would you give me fifty thousand dollars in return for nothing?

The Investment would be much greater then that but Your point is well recieved we have neither the need nor the reasoning to be indebted to the English.

[Imperiatom]

Creativity is really the leadership of the officer core. And since cadets from many nations have trained at sandhurst it must be quite good. Some Americans are even going there soon i think.

Given that we can found our own War College i don't see the point in sending Nationals to a foreign insistute.

Our own college founded on what training manuals? We need help to set up the training program and who better to help with that than sandhurst. Once its set up we can make changes where we see fit later.