NSG Senate Lobby (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Imperiatom]

So you wish for the nation to allow foreigners with no ties to the nation free reign over our armed forces? That is simply asking for a coup.

We hire foreign retired generals and military experts, we do not give them free reign. Ministry of defence overlooks their every actions and they are just few men, they wont be couping the nation any time soon.

So why not take the advice of British military experts for free. Do you love spending money or something?

[The Zeonic States]

Heh Look at Burma, Taiwan or zimbabwe.

You have success stories with the Foreigner Business but you also have failures.

The Model isn't as Pretty nor stable as people here would make it seem.

And because we control the nation, it will be a success.

I suppose given the whole fictional setting it could work here but that said i still disagree with the Presenation; Being a Former Colony implies certain things; The fact we don't even have a regional defense force makes it even worse. Hence why i distest the Notion of Foreign Military Personal Enforcing Laws within what is in this scenario SOVEREIGN Territory of this point.

Not to mention view this as slightly Lazy storytelling.

The whole Freed Colony Angle? There have been a number of those through out history and for the most part few were very interersting.

[The Zeonic States]

We hire foreign retired generals and military experts, we do not give them free reign. Ministry of defence overlooks their every actions and they are just few men, they wont be couping the nation any time soon.

So why not take the advice of British military experts for free. Do you love spending money or something?

As much as i may destest the majority of his Politics i agree with the Notion here.

Allowing people not officially Bound into service into the Nation and putting them into Power over the defense forces is pure idiocy.

[Great Nepal]

Then, our army will have tactics of just the British.

You say that like it's not one of the best outcomes we could have.

It is not as good as having mixture of army traditions and various army traditions. if we follow my suggestion, we could get army that has mixture of Gurkhas, United States Army, United Kingdom Army, German army, French army among others.

We hire foreign retired generals and military experts, we do not give them free reign. Ministry of defence overlooks their every actions and they are just few men, they wont be couping the nation any time soon.

So why not take the advice of British military experts for free. Do you love spending money or something?

Again there are thee reasons:-
1. We will have army identical to British.
2. Our tactics will be known to British.
3. It will cause loss of national pride.

Of course, what could go wrong in nation where NSG controls legislature.... right?

It'll be fun.

I grant you that, but we did try to split the country once already... and we have passed acts legalising equal marriage without nation name or army or police.

Of course, what could go wrong in nation where NSG controls legislature.... right?

Challenge: NSG, do not blow up this nation.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

We already tried to once, though. I wouldn't have accepted that challenge, if I were you.

[Imperiatom]

And because we control the nation, it will be a success.

I suppose given the whole fictional setting it could work here but that said i still disagree with the Presenation; Being a Former Colony implies certain things; The fact we don't even have a regional defense force makes it even worse. Hence why i distest the Notion of Foreign Military Personal Enforcing Laws within what is in this scenario SOVEREIGN Territory of this point.

Not to mention view this as slightly Lazy storytelling.

The whole Freed Colony Angle? There have been a number of those through out history and for the most part few were very interersting.

Realistic though. Has a nation ever just appeared out of nowhere full of people?

[The Zeonic States]

Then, our army will have tactics of just the British.

You say that like it's not one of the best outcomes we could have.

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

[Kouralia]

You say that like it's not one of the best outcomes we could have.

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Wait...

No...

You're serious?

Britain's military is ONE OF THE most highly trained militaries in the world.

Deal.

With.

It.

[Imperiatom]

You say that like it's not one of the best outcomes we could have.

It is not as good as having mixture of army traditions and various army traditions.

So why not take the advice of British military experts for free. Do you love spending money or something?

Again there are thee reasons:-
1. We will have army identical to British.
2. Our tactics will be known to British.
3. It will cause loss of national pride.

It'll be fun.

I grant you that, but we did try to split the country once already... and we have passed acts legalising equal marriage without nation name or army or police.

Challenge: NSG, do not blow up this nation.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

We already tried to once, though. I wouldn't have accepted that challenge, if I were you.

1)Like i said one of the most well trained army's in the world.

2)Works both ways, they know our training and we know their's. LOL. so the nations our "experts" come from will not know how we are trained?


3) why are you being so snobby. Free help except it and don't be a fool about it.

[Priory Academy USSR]

You say that like it's not one of the best outcomes we could have.

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

The British Army is the best system to base ours on. Given that (IIRC) we are limited to 200,000 soldiers when the National Security Act passes, we'll want a highly trained force as that won't be too many men. Britain has always had the best army in this respect: larger nations like the US just throw money at designs until they creat uber-death weapons.

[Ceannairceach]

Senator GN, in response to your three points that I cannot quote as I am on a phone, you are wrong. First of all, the British maintain one of the best militaries in the world. To maintain an army comparable to theirs is something to be proud of in and of itself. Second, were we to hire "retired generals" as you advocate, our tactics would be known by their former employers. Finally, no national pride is worth having a military coup thanks to foreigners with a dream of dictatoral rule.

[Imperiatom]

You say that like it's not one of the best outcomes we could have.

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

The British army's problem is being underfunded with equipment. Training one of the best, moral one of the best, some area's of equipment could be better. There is a difference between training and equipment.

[Isarabaeum]

"What here is this meeting about?" The young King asked as he walked into the room. "Whatever it is, I would like to help." He said as he smiled and walked towards the nearest seat that he could sit in.

[Wolfmanne]

You say that like it's not one of the best outcomes we could have.

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

The British Armed Forces is definitely the best trained military in the world, followed closely by the French. We should go with the British system.

[Great Nepal]

1)Like i said one of the most well trained army's in the world.
2)Works both ways, they know our training and we know their's. LOL. so the nations our "experts" come from will not know how we are trained?
3) why are you being so snobby. Free help except it and don't be a fool about it.

1. They are, yes however I would much prefer our armed forces to be melting pot of training from Gurkhas, British, American, Germans and French as opposed to just British training.
2a. No, it does not because they are giving the training. They will of course keep their best tactics themselves.
2b. Yes, since we will hire retired indivudal who dont report back to their capitals.
3. It is matter of national pride. Accepting free help, is accepting status as inferior partner nation.

Senator GN, in response to your three points that I cannot quote as I am on a phone, you are wrong. First of all, the British maintain one of the best militaries in the world. To maintain an army comparable to theirs is something to be proud of in and of itself.

British army < Gurkhas + Americans + German + French + British.

Second, were we to hire "retired generals" as you advocate, our tactics would be known by their former employers.

No, because we will be relying on training of various nations, for a nation to know our entire tactics, there would need to be massive international conspiracy.

Finally, no national pride is worth having a military coup thanks to foreigners with a dream of dictatoral rule.

How are couple of retired generals, going to coup this nation?

[Kouralia]

"What here is this meeting about?" The young King asked as he walked into the room. "Whatever it is, I would like to help." He said as he smiled and walked towards the nearest seat that he could sit in.

Senator Kourie rose and held out his hand for the pleasant-looking newcomer. "We are debating whether the British Military should train ours." His face passed a momentary look of disgust, "Some fools feel that the British Military's training is somehow in any way bad..."

[Imperiatom]

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

The British Army is the best system to base ours on. Given that (IIRC) we are limited to 200,000 soldiers when the National Security Act passes, we'll want a highly trained force as that won't be too many men. Britain has always had the best army in this respect: larger nations like the US just throw money at designs until they creat uber-death weapons.

I agree. The British military has around 250,000 men. They are all highly specialized to make up for the lack of numbers, we don't have millions of troops to play around with. They are the best model for a force of that size and who's aims of defense and peace keeping are our own aims too.

Alternatively we get rid of the number limit and go all out US style!

[The Zeonic States]

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Wait...

No...

You're serious?

Britain's military is ONE OF THE most highly trained militaries in the world.

Deal.

With.

It.

British Light Infantry Tactics's are Cold War Era and are under Improvement at the moment; Their Armored Tactics while comparable to either to the United State's are Germany are little more then a combination of NATO training and UN peace Keeping missions were they observed the other Party.

Not to mention their Army Group operating system at the Battlion, Platoon and Company Level is pure idicoy in it's Complicated Nature with the Division of Command not being clear in the least in the direction of In Field Support between the Command Group and Admin Group and that often costing them in the Field. You want to know why these "Shortcomings" Aren't well reported?

Well they are fairly well reported.

I measure what they would give to our forces here; as in Our Policing and Army Groups and i maintain we can do BETTER.

*Shrug*

So take Your own advice.

Study a bit more and get over it.

[Great Nepal]

"What here is this meeting about?" The young King asked as he walked into the room. "Whatever it is, I would like to help." He said as he smiled and walked towards the nearest seat that he could sit in.

Senator Kourie rose and held out his hand for the pleasant-looking newcomer. "We are debating whether the British Military should train ours." His face passed a momentary look of disgust, "Some fools feel that the British Military's training is somehow in any way bad..."

Oh, no its not bad. Its just that it could be better if we added trainings of Gurkhas and perhaps Americans to it.

[Imperiatom]

"What here is this meeting about?" The young King asked as he walked into the room. "Whatever it is, I would like to help." He said as he smiled and walked towards the nearest seat that he could sit in.

Are you still drunk?

[The Zeonic States]

Given that there are Better Militaries in the world? I say we could aim a bit higher.

The British Armed Forces is definitely the best trained military in the world, followed closely by the French. We should go with the British system.

Actual Study of the British Military reveals that to be a far from true statement.

So no we shouldn't.

[Wolfmanne]

The British Armed Forces is definitely the best trained military in the world, followed closely by the French. We should go with the British system.

Actual Study of the British Military reveals that to be a far from true statement.

So no we shouldn't.

Having family members who have served in the British Armed Forces, your statement is wholly wrong.

[Great Nepal]

Having family members who have served in the British Armed Forces, your statement is wholly wrong.

Allright guys, a time for poll: Whose training is better?
British Army:
Gurkhas:
This is while I go and try and find videos and articles to demonstrate my point of Gurkhas (which I dont think should be nessecery but hey)...

[The Zeonic States]

Actual Study of the British Military reveals that to be a far from true statement.

So no we shouldn't.

Having family members who have served in the British Armed Forces, your statement is wholly wrong.

Mhm?

Their Reliance upon NATO to come up with their Military Tactics is also a weakeness come to think of it; i suppose i should credit to them.

They lack creativity.

[Kouralia]

1)Like i said one of the most well trained army's in the world.
2)Works both ways, they know our training and we know their's. LOL. so the nations our "experts" come from will not know how we are trained?
3) why are you being so snobby. Free help except it and don't be a fool about it.

1. They are, yes however I would much prefer our armed forces to be melting pot of training from Gurkhas, British, American, Germans and French as opposed to just British training.
2a. No, it does not because they are giving the training. They will of course keep their best tactics themselves.
2b. Yes, since we will hire retired indivudal who dont report back to their capitals.
3. It is matter of national pride. Accepting free help, is accepting status as inferior partner nation.

1) Gurkhas are either Indian Army or British army, I thought.. In addition, really, there's no point. Honest, there is little difference: the results are roughly the same and mixing it up will only bring confusion and less efficiency.
2a) And? You probably mean strategy here, not tactics. They'd teach us how to into Infantry etc.
2b) nvm
3) How else will we form a military properly

Senator GN, in response to your three points that I cannot quote as I am on a phone, you are wrong. First of all, the British maintain one of the best militaries in the world. To maintain an army comparable to theirs is something to be proud of in and of itself.

British army < Gurkhas + Americans + German + French + British.

IMO, no. WHy do you think the British Army trains as it does? Because it works best for them.

Second, were we to hire "retired generals" as you advocate, our tactics would be known by their former employers.

No, because we will be relying on training of various nations, for a nation to know our entire tactics, there would need to be massive international conspiracy.

Srsly, you act like they wouldn't know them anyway.

Finally, no national pride is worth having a military coup thanks to foreigners with a dream of dictatoral rule.

How are couple of retired generals, going to coup this nation?

With guns. LOTS of guns.

[Britcan]

Having family members who have served in the British Armed Forces, your statement is wholly wrong.

Allright guys, a time for poll: Whose training is better?
British Army:
Gurkhas:
This is while I go and try and find videos and articles to demonstrate my point of Gurkhas (which I dont think should be nessecery but hey)...

The British Army has Gurkhas...