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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:56 pm

Divair wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Go search them yourself they are somewhere in their tread

You made a claim, you get the proof.

CTALNH wrote:If you try anything funny we will respond in kind.

If the Senate votes to ban paramilitary groups and you respond with aggression, it will not be our fault, but yours.

Go find it yourself.I am too lazy to do it myself

And your* the one that will drive us into responding in aggression


* not you specifically
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:56 pm

Divair wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:The idealism is dizzing, isn't it? As much as I'd like my party to continue having a paramilitary, I realized from day one it would only be a matter of time before the left outlaws them.

At least you're whining about something realistic.


It doesn't matter. I see the NIFP's and USLP's as temporaty necessities for defense in the absence of a national militia, after the senate forms an army, paramilitaries will be obsolete.
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Postby Divair » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:56 pm

Kouralia wrote:What Police?

I drafted the Policing act, and it hasn't been passed yet.

And if a ban on paramilitaries is proposed, it'll be after the police is already established.

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Postby Divair » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:56 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Divair wrote:At least you're whining about something realistic.


It doesn't matter. I see the NIFP's and USLP's as temporaty necessities for defense in the absence of a national militia, after the senate forms an army, paramilitaries will be obsolete.

At least you're being reasonable.

CTALNH wrote:Go find it yourself.I am too lazy to do it myself

And your* the one that will drive us into responding in aggression


* not you specifically

Responding to democracy with aggression is pathetic. And no, burden of proof dictates you get the evidence. I'm not doing your homework for you.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:56 pm

As HEAD of the NI’s Paramilitary Body and it’s General Commander under advisement from the Chairman I will state this for the record now.

As of Yet there is no defined chance or Plan in motion for the Body rebelling against Legislation that may or may not pass and outlaw it.

If it’s the will of the Senate then however much I may disagree with the Motion it will be received by the NI as we are an Official Political Entity and not a terrorist organization.

That said we will combat the motion and any attempt to weaken our parties ability to defend itself until such a time where it is no longer necessary.
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Postby Divair » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:57 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:As HEAD of the NI’s Paramilitary Body and it’s General Commander under advisement from the Chairman I will state this for the record now.

As of Yet there is no defined chance or Plan in motion for the Body rebelling against Legislation that may or may not pass and outlaw it.

If it’s the will of the Senate then however much I may disagree with the Motion it will be received by the NI as we are an Official Political Entity and not a terrorist organization.

That said we will combat the motion and any attempt to weaken our parties ability to defend itself until such a time where it is no longer necessary.

And that's that: The NI would not launch a civil war.


Good to see you guys are a reasonable bunch.

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Postby Kouralia » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:57 pm

Divair wrote:
Kouralia wrote:What Police?

I drafted the Policing act, and it hasn't been passed yet.

And if a ban on paramilitaries is proposed, it'll be after the police is already established.

So, three or so months down the line?

How do you define a paramilitary? I can easily re-structure the PPF to retain it.
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Postby CTALNH » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:57 pm

Divair wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Do you have an single idea who enforces the laws you pass?

That would be my Peoples Voluntary Militia!

The police. And your paramilitary is not the police.

The hell it isn't.

My militia is the only keeping order and enforcing the laws you people vote
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:58 pm

CTALNH wrote:
Divair wrote:The police. And your paramilitary is not the police.

The hell it isn't.

My militia is the only keeping order and enforcing the laws you people vote

You have no militia. Your militia is consisting of kids atm, since it's the kids section, and the Security branch would *not* let kids try and enforce laws.
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Postby CTALNH » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:59 pm

Kouralia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:The hell it isn't.

My militia is the only keeping order and enforcing the laws you people vote

You have no militia. Your militia is consisting of kids atm, since it's the kids section, and the Security branch would *not* let kids try and enforce laws.

17~25 year olds are kids?


Your having a misunderstanding here.


The pioneers are kids the YAG are teens.And I have no problem arming and training teens to keep the law.
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Postby Divair » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:59 pm

CTALNH wrote:
Divair wrote:The police. And your paramilitary is not the police.

The hell it isn't.

My militia is the only keeping order and enforcing the laws you people vote

It isn't your militia and it isn't enforcing any laws, it's protecting a party. And a paramilitary ban would come after a police force is established simply due to the order of voting.

Kouralia wrote:
Divair wrote:And if a ban on paramilitaries is proposed, it'll be after the police is already established.

So, three or so months down the line?

How do you define a paramilitary? I can easily re-structure the PPF to retain it.

Not up to me, I'm not the one who'll draft a paramilitary ban.

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Postby New Freedomstan » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:00 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Divair wrote:And if a ban on paramilitaries is proposed, it'll be after the police is already established.

So, three or so months down the line?

How do you define a paramilitary? I can easily re-structure the PPF to retain it.

The PPF as it stands does not actually qualify as a paramilitary by most objective standards, except the security branch. The street branch is a voluntary youth organisation, and is not armed by the party. Reading through the PPF page would reveal this information.

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Postby The God-Realm » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:01 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:What do people think I am, I wonder.

I imagine you as an angry fellow wearing a North Korean general's uniform.

I imagine myself as Cho the Scientist
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Postby CTALNH » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:02 pm

Divair wrote:
CTALNH wrote:The hell it isn't.

My militia is the only keeping order and enforcing the laws you people vote

It isn't your militia and it isn't enforcing any laws, it's protecting a party. And a paramilitary ban would come after a police force is established simply due to the order of voting.

Kouralia wrote:So, three or so months down the line?

How do you define a paramilitary? I can easily re-structure the PPF to retain it.

Not up to me, I'm not the one who'll draft a paramilitary ban.

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Postby Arglorand » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:02 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:I wonder when I speak, do people think of me as one of the following:

1. The Enclave Wonderbolt from Fallout: Equestria in that flag of mine.
2. Billy Mays.
3. A dickhead.

When I read what you write, I think of you as Alan Rickman. A much much younger Alan Rickman.

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:03 pm

CTALNH wrote:
Divair wrote:It isn't your militia and it isn't enforcing any laws, it's protecting a party. And a paramilitary ban would come after a police force is established simply due to the order of voting.


Not up to me, I'm not the one who'll draft a paramilitary ban.

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The People's Volunteer Militia are voluntary detachments for maintaining public order in the our country similar to the Neighborhood Watch.They work frequently in cooperation with the RFB Street Branch.

Yea, they dont.
Local populace are doing so for their own communities.
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Postby Divair » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:03 pm

CTALNH wrote:Public safety
The People's Volunteer Militia are voluntary detachments for maintaining public order in the our country similar to the Neighborhood Watch.They work frequently in cooperation with the RFB Street Branch.

And have they been established by any government entity? Or even backed by any government entity? Or approved by OP? No? Then they're a bunch of vigilante lunatics running about pretending to be law enforcement when they're not.

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Postby Othelos » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:04 pm

Divair wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Public safety
The People's Volunteer Militia are voluntary detachments for maintaining public order in the our country similar to the Neighborhood Watch.They work frequently in cooperation with the RFB Street Branch.

And have they been established by any government entity? Or even backed by any government entity? Or approved by OP? No? Then they're a bunch of vigilante lunatics running about pretending to be law enforcement when they're not.

Agreed.

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Postby Glasgia » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:05 pm

Can we, for the purposes of settling this dispute and to set up my history, assume that the British army are currently policing Aurentina beforre withdrawing when we've established our own laws? It would really help and stop our nation from being an anarcho-craphole.
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Postby Divair » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:06 pm

Glasgia wrote:Can we, for the purposes of settling this dispute and to set up my history, assume that the British army are currently policing Aurentina beforre withdrawing when we've established our own laws? It would really help and stop our nation from being an anarcho-craphole.

TG OP and ask him. Having a foreign army as temporary peacekeepers is actually a great idea.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:06 pm

Glasgia wrote:Can we, for the purposes of settling this dispute and to set up my history, assume that the British army are currently policing Aurentina beforre withdrawing when we've established our own laws? It would really help and stop our nation from being an anarcho-craphole.

Yeah, makes sense I guess. Seeing as Glasgia as pretty much told me what's gonna happen, trust me, it makes sense.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:06 pm

Glasgia wrote:Can we, for the purposes of settling this dispute and to set up my history, assume that the British army are currently policing Aurentina beforre withdrawing when we've established our own laws? It would really help and stop our nation from being an anarcho-craphole.

Yes, I would support that. British armed forces are in process of withdrawing from nation and will complete doing so when we have established our army and our police force.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:07 pm

Glasgia wrote:Can we, for the purposes of settling this dispute and to set up my history, assume that the British army are currently policing Aurentina beforre withdrawing when we've established our own laws? It would really help and stop our nation from being an anarcho-craphole.


You propose placing our Nation under FOREIGN MARTIAL LAW.

Completely against this Insane Proposal.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:09 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Glasgia wrote:Can we, for the purposes of settling this dispute and to set up my history, assume that the British army are currently policing Aurentina beforre withdrawing when we've established our own laws? It would really help and stop our nation from being an anarcho-craphole.


You propose placing our Nation under FOREIGN MARTIAL LAW.

Completely against this Insane Proposal.

Seconded, having foreign soldiers step foot on our soil is unacceptable.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:10 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
You propose placing our Nation under FOREIGN MARTIAL LAW.

Completely against this Insane Proposal.

Seconded, having foreign soldiers step foot on our soil is unacceptable.

Foreign soldiers keeping peace as per our laws, is more acceptable than extremist vigilantes running around, pretending to be law enforcement.
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