NSG Senate Lobby (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Divair]

No I haven't I think I might just stay independent before I choose a party, when choosing a party does it have to be on the same political views as your nation or RL political views?

It doesn't even have to match your views. You can apply to join any party.

[Artite]

All right thank you so much like I said I might just stay independent for a while then I might join a party

[Divair]

All right thank you so much like I said I might just stay independent for a while then I might join a party

That's fine. Independents make up almost half of the Senate.

[Gordano and Lysandus]

PARTY APPLICATION
Official Party Name: Social Democratic Monarchist Party
Brief Summary of Platform: Social welfare, universal education and healthcare, gender equality and equality for LGBT people, criminalisation of hate speech, progressive taxation, environmentalism, WA participation, constitutional elected monarch, protection of the unitary state, cooperation and compromise, defence of labour and trade union rights, gun control, drug legalisation, sustainable agriculture, nuclear power and anti-extremism.
Party Color: Burgundy.
One or Two Letter Abbreviation (like D for Democrat, R for Republican): SDMP
Chairman: Gordano Lysandus
Members
1. Gordano Lysandus
2. The Spiral Future
3. (Anonymous but confirmed)
4.
5.

LINK: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=238003&p=14113607#p14113607

[Vietnam]

It's not eliminating representation - those parties still exist, they'd just exist as opposition to the ruling coalition.


YOU KNOW, I really need to figure out why everyone here hates compromise so much. Why must everything be black or white?

You seem to be confusing the word "compromise" with "agreeing with everything you say."

[Vietnam]

Like what? I'm completely opposed to AFRICA, but I'd rather not divide the senate on that issue. Though the idea intrigues me.

We must keep the Communists out of power and since they command a single-party majority, the only way to keep them out of control is to form a coalition.

23 members is a majority? More like barely over 10%. If we did possess a majority, a coalition against us wouldn't even keep us out of power anyhow.

[Vietnam]

I know Gordano is a self-proclaimed social democrat, but from what I've seen of his debating, I would not call him left wing at all.

For the last time, I AM NOT RIGHT WING. Just because I am a monarchist does not mean I am on the right wing. Both my social and economic policy sits very comfortably on the left and I utterly reject these constant jibes about how monarchism is a preserve of the right. You are honestly misinterpreting the situation.

EDIT: Quite frankly, the personal attacks are getting to me quite a lot when I'm only trying to do something to stop this place continuing to be devoid of all sensibility.

He said your debating makes you seem like one, not because you're a monarchist. Which frankly, seems quite correct.

[Of the Quendi]

Because:-
1. Its a drawn out process.
2. It means, president wasn't actually first choice of the parliament so doesn't command actual confidence of senate.

1. Yes, but a democratic one.
2. You think a partisan president who won a tiny plurality of the vote in a first round is more democratic than a president who would eventually secure an actual majority? Seriously? With a one round election we may get a communist president simply because their party is the largest which a clear majority of the senators would consider too leftist, how is that commanding the confidence of the senate?

[Agritum]

Puh-leeze.

According to Marxist-Leninist snarl words, our party is filled with infantile ultra-left adventurists and deviationist anarcho-individualist subversives.

Please insult our party properly in the future, comrade.

Hah! You barely qualify as left, let alone ultra-left adventurism (who are also sent to gulag, but for different reason from reformist dogs!). The so-called Communist Party are nothing but reformists hiding their social-democratic leanings in terms such as 'revolution by the majority' and 'limiting violence'.

....is reformist an insult?

[Potenco]

SENATOR APPLICATION
Username/Nation Name:Potenco
Date that you joined the fourm: Have been on NSG for about two years, factoring in all of my countries
History of Bans:None

[Gordano and Lysandus]

Potenco, are you interested in the position of the Social Democratic Monarchist Party?

[Of the Quendi]

Potenco, are you interested in the position of the Social Democratic Monarchist Party?

Good God new senators are treated like prey in this thread, should I feel offended that people weren't immediately jumping my bones with their parties when I joined?

On a more serious note best of luck with your party, the Senate needs a proper Social Democratic party to represent a left more moderate than the Communists and Red-Greens. Why it has to be monarchist, and even have monarchism in its name, is however beyond me and sounds like a quick way to ensure it never rise to the prominent position Social Democratic parties hold in many lands. I would drop the monarchism from the official party agenda and leave it as a minority position within the party, but thats just me.

[Gordano and Lysandus]

My dear Senator Quendi, its as much part of making a political point as it is representing the moderate left. My fellow leftist parties refuse to accept that the left wing is compatible with monarchism. I must prove them wrong. I have Post-War Britain on my side.

I also think that I'm piecing together the lovely letterhead already.

[Marquette of Pacific]

SENATOR APPLICATION
Username/Nation Name: the Constitutional Monarchy of Marquette
Date that you joined the forum: December 4, 2012
History of Bans: 1 ban (for admitting to trolling, lol)

[Of the Quendi]

My dear Senator Quendi, its as much part of making a political point as it is representing the moderate left. My fellow leftist parties refuse to accept that the left wing is compatible with monarchism. I must prove them wrong. I have Post-War Britain on my side.

I also think that I'm piecing together the lovely letterhead already.

I realize that a center-left party can, and perhaps should, espouse monarchism. The Scandinavian welfare states are an excellent example of the ability of Social Democratic parties to work within the framework of a constitutional monarchy. But to my knowledge no Social Democracy in the European Monarchies are great advocates of the Monarchy, they just don't oppose it. That is a position that I think you will find more support for among prospective Social Democrats, especially seeing how the Monarchy bill is currently fairing, and if you have difficulties getting supporters for a party that I can definitely see having a role to play in the Senate then I would at the very least tone down the Monarchism.

[Gordano and Lysandus]

We shall see how it goes. I'm not uncompromising and I'm perfectly prepared to drop the overt monarchism in favour of building the party, though belief in a head of state who is capable of working as a check and balance to the unruly Senate would still be important.

[Arglorand]

TR is a moderate left-of-center party. Many of our members, including me, are social democrats.

[Of the Quendi]

We shall see how it goes. I'm not uncompromising and I'm perfectly prepared to drop the overt monarchism in favour of building the party, though belief in a head of state who is capable of working as a check and balance to the unruly Senate would still be important.

I think that would be wise choice.

[Divair]

SENATOR APPLICATION
Username/Nation Name:Potenco
Date that you joined the fourm: Have been on NSG for about two years, factoring in all of my countries
History of Bans:None

Welcome aboard. Any clue what party you'll be joining?

[TaQud]

It seems as you post your application the next post after that will be (insert nation name here) asking you to join their party...

[Divair]

It seems as you post your application the next post after that will be (insert nation name here) asking you to join their party...

Hopefully you aren't referring to me, as I am not recruiting. I'm simply curious as to what party people will join (gives me a better idea of what the Senate looks like) and it helps the OP with his list of senators.

[TaQud]

It seems as you post your application the next post after that will be (insert nation name here) asking you to join their party...

Hopefully you aren't referring to me, as I am not recruiting. I'm simply curious as to what party people will join (gives me a better idea of what the Senate looks like) and it helps the OP with his list of senators.

No i wasnt refering to you, i just noticed this trend going on in the past few weeks..

[Divair]

Hopefully you aren't referring to me, as I am not recruiting. I'm simply curious as to what party people will join (gives me a better idea of what the Senate looks like) and it helps the OP with his list of senators.

No i wasnt refering to you, i just noticed this trend going on in the past few weeks..

Politics

[Potenco]

SENATOR APPLICATION
Username/Nation Name:Potenco
Date that you joined the fourm: Have been on NSG for about two years, factoring in all of my countries
History of Bans:None

Welcome aboard. Any clue what party you'll be joining?

Im with the Liberal Democrats for now, but im thinking im going to found a party based around Third Way Synthesis (Think Peoples Action Party of Singapore) except with a more socially liberal twist.

[Divair]

Welcome aboard. Any clue what party you'll be joining?

Im with the Liberal Democrats for now, but im thinking im going to found a party based around Third Way Synthesis (Think Peoples Action Party of Singapore) except with a more socially liberal twist.

Interesting idea. Good luck if you decide to found it!