NSG Senate Lobby (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Geilinor]

Why a monarch? Why not a President who is elected every five years? Not like the US president, but a ceremonial president like Ireland's president?

We've already agreed on a monarchical system.

I don't think I'll support it.

[Cosara]

Most of us do (Plus, we aren't going to have a President serve for FIVE YEARS!)

Face it, if the Senate lasts till Christmas it'll be a bloody miracle.

Exactly. I actually hope it does. This is pretty fun.

[The IASM]

Face it, if the Senate lasts till Christmas it'll be a bloody miracle.

Exactly. I actually hope it does. This is pretty fun.

I agree.

[Cosara]

We've already agreed on a monarchical system.

I don't think I'll support it.

We sure as hell aren't going to have a Prez in office for FIVE BLOODY YEARS!

[Chestaan]

What's the point in having a King be elected? That pretty much makes him not a monarch, but a president. Also I was referring to five years real time, so a much shorter NS period.

He will be elected for life in a meritocratic fashion.

The only way to ensure that you have the best man for the job is if there are regular elections.

[Old Tyrannia]

Most of us do (Plus, we aren't going to have a President serve for FIVE YEARS!)

What's the point in having a King be elected? That pretty much makes him not a monarch, but a president. Also I was referring to five years real time, so a much shorter NS period.

He rules for life (e.g. until the nation CTEs) or abdication. Plenty of monarchs have been elected- the Holy Roman Emperor, the High King of Ireland, the King of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth...

[Chestaan]

I don't think I'll support it.

We sure as hell aren't going to have a Prez in office for FIVE BLOODY YEARS!

The monarch would rule for his entire life, which would be much longer.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So, you want to elect someone who lives in palaces built with taxpayers' money and pay them with further taxpayers' money in the hope that tourism revenues go up?

A Meritocratic Monarch also means that the most qualified individual gets Executive Power rather than the most popular. Since we would need a palace even if we had a president then I don't see why having a palace is an arguement against Monarchy.

What criteria are going to be used to decide on a Monarch?

[Cosara]

He will be elected for life in a meritocratic fashion.

The only way to ensure that you have the best man for the job is if there are regular elections.

There are no terms. They serve until death, resignation or impeachment through 2/3 vote.

[Chestaan]

The only way to ensure that you have the best man for the job is if there are regular elections.

There are no terms. They serve until death, resignation or impeachment through 2/3 vote.

And I am saying that this is not meritocratic.

[Cosara]

A Meritocratic Monarch also means that the most qualified individual gets Executive Power rather than the most popular. Since we would need a palace even if we had a president then I don't see why having a palace is an arguement against Monarchy.

What criteria are going to be used to decide on a Monarch?

Each party will elect a candidate for the office and the Senate will vote on the Candidates.

[The IASM]

We sure as hell aren't going to have a Prez in office for FIVE BLOODY YEARS!

The monarch would rule for his entire life, which would be much longer.

And is far more prefable to someone who has to run an election campaign every year, does not have enough time to learn from mistakes, does can be an idiot if elected badly and with little regulation.

[Cosara]

There are no terms. They serve until death, resignation or impeachment through 2/3 vote.

And I am saying that this is not meritocratic.

How exactly would a meritocratic government work on NSG?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

What criteria are going to be used to decide on a Monarch?

Each party will elect a candidate for the office and the Senate will vote on the Candidates.

So it's not really meritocratic at all, beyond the party stage; after that it just comes down to who can form the largest common front and manipulate the most parties into voting for them.

[The Realm of God]

A Meritocratic Monarch also means that the most qualified individual gets Executive Power rather than the most popular. Since we would need a palace even if we had a president then I don't see why having a palace is an arguement against Monarchy.

What criteria are going to be used to decide on a Monarch?

We have an act drawn up in the Coffee Shop. I think its a little rough around the edges but we can sort it out.

[Cosara]

Each party will elect a candidate for the office and the Senate will vote on the Candidates.

So it's not really meritocratic at all, beyond the party stage; after that it just comes down to who can form the largest common front and manipulate the most parties into voting for them.

How in the world would a meritocratic party work in Nationstates?

[Geilinor]

The only way to ensure that you have the best man for the job is if there are regular elections.

There are no terms. They serve until death, resignation or impeachment through 2/3 vote.

I think there should be terms. Serving for life is too long.

[Chestaan]

The monarch would rule for his entire life, which would be much longer.

And is far more prefable to someone who has to run an election campaign every year, does not have enough time to learn from mistakes, does can be an idiot if elected badly and with little regulation.

An idiot can be elected anyway, and we'll be stuck with him, because you know how hard it is to get even half the senate to agree on something, let alone get 2/3rds to agree to oust the monarch.

[The IASM]

And I am saying that this is not meritocratic.

How exactly would a meritocratic government work on NSG?

Have a volunteer to study these things and then out them into practice.

[Geilinor]

The monarch would rule for his entire life, which would be much longer.

And is far more prefable to someone who has to run an election campaign every year, does not have enough time to learn from mistakes, does can be an idiot if elected badly and with little regulation.

Well, we don't have years here, because I don't think the Senate will last that long.

[Cosara]

And is far more prefable to someone who has to run an election campaign every year, does not have enough time to learn from mistakes, does can be an idiot if elected badly and with little regulation.

An idiot can be elected anyway, and we'll be stuck with him, because you know how hard it is to get even half the senate to agree on something, let alone get 2/3rds to agree to oust the monarch.

I proposed terms, but no one agreed.

[Cosara]

And is far more prefable to someone who has to run an election campaign every year, does not have enough time to learn from mistakes, does can be an idiot if elected badly and with little regulation.

Well, we don't have years here, because I don't think the Senate will last that long.

I hope it does.

[Chestaan]

An idiot can be elected anyway, and we'll be stuck with him, because you know how hard it is to get even half the senate to agree on something, let alone get 2/3rds to agree to oust the monarch.

I proposed terms, but no one agreed.

With terms, it's pretty much a president, not a monarch. Terms would have plenty of support.

[Cosmicus]

Well, we don't have years here, because I don't think the Senate will last that long.

I hope it does.

I doubt it will, but I concur.

[Old Tyrannia]

There are no terms. They serve until death, resignation or impeachment through 2/3 vote.

I think there should be terms. Serving for life is too long.

You want a republic. You're never going to get the CMP to agree to that, so you may as well give up. Vote against us in the Senate if you wish, but don't keep disrupting the drafting of the bill if you're going to oppose it no matter what.