TET: Let's Get Dangerous!

[GrandKirche]

'Has song stuck in head now.'
DAMNIT!
Right round baby, right round like a record baby right round, round, round...

Is it just me, or does this sound like a really kinky sex move?

I could understand why that's on your mind if you've been around this thread a while.

[Vredlandia]

You spin me right round baby right round >.>

'Has song stuck in head now.'
DAMNIT!
Right round baby, right round like a record baby right round, round, round...

Better than some other catchy songs, I guess.

[Stattr]

'Has song stuck in head now.'
DAMNIT!
Right round baby, right round like a record baby right round, round, round...

Is it just me, or does this sound like a really kinky sex move?

Really Kinky sex move....

[Bralia]

Huh. I think I'm the opposite IRL, I don't trust others . . . it results in a similar pain as yours, I'm guessing . . .

Well, relationship wise when I'm dating someone... The guy dumps me for another girl. I never even hug another guy that I've normally hugged before I started dating said guy. It really hurts because I see the girl he's with and... It hurts me. My heart is weak and so if i want to leave (which I has never happened.) they make me stay by saying certain things... And It hurts to knwo I can be taken control of like that...

Sounds more like you're just very willing to trust others, rather than others not trusting you. And that's certainly not a bad thing. You just gotta find the right person, y'know?

[Kamchastkia]

:|

Are you one of them?

I don't know, am I?

[Zottistan]

And again... what do Rabbis have to do with anything concerning scientific evidence for the Jewish ethnicity? They can make claims all they want, but the evidence is against them. If your argument is, "Well, the Rabbis said so," you're fighting a battle you can't win.

No, my argument is that there are white Jews, black Jews, Jewish converts, Jews who are Irish, Jews who are Chinese, it isn't limited to an ethnicity and it isn't one. There are ethnicities that are exclusively Jewish, but "Jewish" is not one of them. There is a Hebrew ethnicity, and I think thats what people are trying to get at, but the word Jewish isn't one of them .

So basically, you were debating pedantry over two words that mean basically the same thing?

[Mavorpen]

No, my argument is that there are white Jews, black Jews, Jewish converts, Jews who are Irish, Jews who are Chinese, it isn't limited to an ethnicity and it isn't one. There are ethnicities that are exclusively Jewish, but "Jewish" is not one of them. There is a Hebrew ethnicity, and I think thats what people are trying to get at, but the word Jewish isn't one of them .

And this is the problem. You apparently don't understand what ethnicity entails. There is nothing preventing an ethnic group from containing other distinct ethnic groups as well. If you bothered to read my source instead of repeating your mantra, you would know this.

[Slembana]

I wish that they would reintroduce wolves, bears, and lynxes to the UK.

[Mavorpen]

Is it just me, or does this sound like a really kinky sex move?

It's not just you.

Is it just me, or does this sound like a really kinky sex move?

It's just you.

Well, time for Mortal Kombat to see who is right.

[Luveria]

Is it just me, or does this sound like a really kinky sex move?

Really Kinky sex move....

I'm curious about this move.

[Vredlandia]

I wish that they would reintroduce wolves, bears, and lynxes to the UK.

Why so?
They are introducing wolves in some parts of Germany again and they often kill sheep.

[Kamchastkia]

:|

Hi Kamcha.

Hi

[The Truth and Light]

Oh my god are you serious?
You're going to turn to a small minority of the Jewish population that is known for its fundamentalism, instead of the Jew you are currently talking to who knows what the fuck he's talking about? You are so fucking arrogant I can't even deal.

Chill. Throwing a hissy fit doesn't help.

Ugh. I'm the kind of bitch who would be throwing curses if I were allowed. That's who I am. *shrugs*

[Bralia]

As a third party, I should point out that you were the one to enter the thread with hostility. Calm down, mate.

Quit with the tone-policing.

No, I don't think I will stop. Whether your views are right or wrong, I don't care. But you're pissing off almost everybody in the room, as far as I can tell, and I'm close to seeing if this is mod-intervention worthy.

[Stattr]

'Has song stuck in head now.'
DAMNIT!
Right round baby, right round like a record baby right round, round, round...

Better than some other catchy songs, I guess.

Indeed.

Well, relationship wise when I'm dating someone... The guy dumps me for another girl. I never even hug another guy that I've normally hugged before I started dating said guy. It really hurts because I see the girl he's with and... It hurts me. My heart is weak and so if i want to leave (which I has never happened.) they make me stay by saying certain things... And It hurts to knwo I can be taken control of like that...

Sounds more like you're just very willing to trust others, rather than others not trusting you. And that's certainly not a bad thing. You just gotta find the right person, y'know?

Certain people. I trust them as friends, but if I start dating a guy that trust kind of drops to zero and then slowly builds up. Very slowly.
Well... More like the right person has to find me... Two have tried. The first one was just plain not interested. That really didn;t phaze me. The second one I dated since eigth grade!!! Our tenth grade year was off though that was when i dated guy #1 and then guy #2 stopped dating me because of where I lived....THAT hurt me more than anything and I really loved him...he lied to me...

[Grenartia]

Not weird at all.

Yes weird because no one IRl trusts me... It hurts... Especially relationship wise...

That's gonna change soon.

Huh. I think I'm the opposite IRL, I don't trust others . . . it results in a similar pain as yours, I'm guessing . . .

Well, relationship wise when I'm dating someone... The guy dumps me for another girl. I never even hug another guy that I've normally hugged before I started dating said guy. It really hurts because I see the girl he's with and... It hurts me. My heart is weak and so if i want to leave (which I has never happened.) they make me stay by saying certain things... And It hurts to knwo I can be taken control of like that...

I'd never do that to you.

[Mavorpen]

Really Kinky sex move....

I'm curious about this move.

Statt should give us all a demonstration. *nods*

[Stattr]

Really Kinky sex move....

I'm curious about this move.

It;s really quite interesting...

Yes weird because no one IRl trusts me... It hurts... Especially relationship wise...

That's gonna change soon.

Well, relationship wise when I'm dating someone... The guy dumps me for another girl. I never even hug another guy that I've normally hugged before I started dating said guy. It really hurts because I see the girl he's with and... It hurts me. My heart is weak and so if i want to leave (which I has never happened.) they make me stay by saying certain things... And It hurts to knwo I can be taken control of like that...

I'd never do that to you.

Gren...
First: You and I are dating over NS. i can;t see your body language or anything. So i can;t really date you.
Second: I wouldn't know...

[Slembana]

I wish that they would reintroduce wolves, bears, and lynxes to the UK.

Why so?
They are introducing wolves in some parts of Germany again and they often kill sheep.

I don't really care about sheep. The only good thing they've provided me with is my fleece, and maybe some other stuff.

However, sheep are important animals. Still, wolves would be cool. I'd love to see one.

Wild boar reintroduction is also a nice idea. As is trying to save the wildcat.

[Zottistan]

Chill. Throwing a hissy fit doesn't help.

Ugh. I'm the kind of bitch who would be throwing curses if I were allowed. That's who I am. *shrugs*

I've gathered that much. Might want to work on that. It's not productive.

[Stattr]

I'm curious about this move.

Statt should give us all a demonstration. *nods*

What!?!?!

'Looks around and hides behind Gren.'

[Athartha]

No, my argument is that there are white Jews, black Jews, Jewish converts, Jews who are Irish, Jews who are Chinese, it isn't limited to an ethnicity and it isn't one. There are ethnicities that are exclusively Jewish, but "Jewish" is not one of them. There is a Hebrew ethnicity, and I think thats what people are trying to get at, but the word Jewish isn't one of them .

And this is the problem. You apparently don't understand what ethnicity entails. There is nothing preventing an ethnic group from containing other distinct ethnic groups as well. If you bothered to read my source instead of repeating your mantra, you would know this.

I was taught by Rabbis that the false notion of Jews as a race is antisemtitic and was created to insult Jews and delegitimize the Jewish law that is the sole determinant of Jewish identity. While Jews may belong to certain races, or that there are races that are Jewish, being Jewish does not require an ethnicity. Anyone can be Jewish, as being Jewish is defined as someone who follows the commandments of God. Judaism is a religion. Please, read this.

Because there are groups and individuals who wish to purposely misrepresent Jewish identity and confuse others for agendas of either bigotry, identity theft or both, there remains much confusion among many when that is really unnecessary.
Jews are a nation people, Israel (tribal origin) bound by an eternal covenant of the faith (religion) of Judaism. We are like a huge family and only the family through our laws can determine who is a member of it. It is the laws of Judaism, given to the covenant nation, Israel, in the Torah, that determine Jewish identity. ***It is not a matter of “blood”but of self-determination through the laws of the Jewish people.*** I know that sounds repetitive but I repeated that because that appears hard for some to grasp.
People related to one another share genetic markers. Jews began as a family, then as a small group of tribes and has remained tribal in nature. However, Jews are NOT considered a race. Jews are not *an* ethnicity. There is simply NO single Jewish ethnicity. Neither ethnicity or race define Jewish identity. I repeat, it is Jewish law that defines Jewish identity.

We are Klal Yisrael, the community of Israel. . **MANY** different and distinctly Jewish cultures and ethnicities have developed over the millennia in Diaspora lands. The Diaspora refers to the Jewish presence outside of Israel after the destruction of the First and Second Temple periods and the Bar Kochba revolt.

There are many ethnicities that are distinctly Jewish. There are the Mizrahi (from the Middle East and North Africa).The Sephardi (Spanish) and the Ashkenazi, (German, Polish, Russian and other Eastern European), the Beta Yisrael of Ethiopia, and the Cochin of India and others, that are different as to cultural practices and foods, but it is the faith and covenant that binds them all together as Klal Yisrael.

The Jewish people are considered both a nation and a religion. Our connection is primarily one of faith (religion) through the covenant of Israel, yet membership is also conferred by birth, through matrilineal descent. One may also become a part of the nation Israel by adoption of the faith of Judaism and formal procedures of conversion.

One who converts to Judaism is considered as FULLY Jewish as one born Jewish and their children are Jews. This has been the case since the times of the Torah.

However, one may technically be a Jew if their mother is a Jew, but apostate to the covenant of Israel and no longer considered a member of the nation if they leave it for the covenant of faith of another religion.
The Jewish nation began as a group of tribes and our connection to one another is still from the perspective of a tribal nation. (example: as the Lakota nation has tribal procedure and law to determine who is a member of their tribe, who is not, who is expelled and who is adopted, so does Judaism)

One born a member of the tribal covenant nation Israel (Jewish) may not be observant or even believe in God and they’re still a full member, a Jew. They may not be a good member or an active member but they’ve not renounced membership by following something ELSE instead of Judaism. An atheist or a secular Jew is not trying to call something ELSE Judaism. That is how one may be an "atheist Jew". Not believing that there is such a thing as deity, any deity is not following a false deity. An atheist Jew may live Jewish ethics and identify with their people, but they did not take on foreign beliefs contradictory to the monotheism of Torah. An atheist may not convert *to* Judaism to become a member of the tribe because an affirmation of faith in the God of Israel is required to JOIN.

Now if one born into the covenant becomes apostate through rejection of the covenant by adoption of another belief contradictory to the covenant, they are still be considered a Jew, but for all intents and purposes, they're not given the status of a member. According to Jewish law they're not counted in a minyan,( the minimum number of adults required for certain prayers and other mitzvot), they can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery, they cannot be given honors to go up to read Torah at a synagogue, and they may not be allowed to speak for the Jewish people. They CAN however, return without formal conversion should they repent of their idolatrous or foreign god worship and then be embraced again as full members. One who has left the Jewish people for the foreign faith of another people must undergo the steps of TESHUVAH , which means repentance and return to the God of Israel. Some groups may require that the individual also requires immersion in the mikveh before being accepted back, but they do not require the formal steps of conversion should the person wish to return.
Jews are in NO way a RACE..other than as members of the human race.
The notion of Jews as "race" is NOT a Jewish concept. It is a NON Jewish notion that was created out of antisemitism!!Jews here in Y/A have quite literally posted thousands of times here in just the past two years to try to dispel this long held view that unfortunately because of the widespread nature of it’s acceptance decades ago, is sometimes held by people in innocent ignorance without knowing its origins. Other people mistakenly believe the Nazis were the first to disrespect the Jewish laws regarding Jewish identity and attempt to redefine Jewish identity as "race" rather than a covenant nation people who practice Judaism. However, it did not begin there. It was firmly entrenched into European consciousness among a great many non-Jews before Hitler ever rose to power. Ths notion was begun in the mid 1800's among some of the 'philosphers" of Europe, particularly French and German who were developing pseudo-scientific concepts of race. One in particular was highly influential in spreading this toxic notion, and he did not confine his racism to Jews, but his particular form of Jew hate spread to influence millions. Ernest Renan, who lived from 1823-1892 and was from Brittany is credited with popularizing this false notion.
Ernest Renan's ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races." These pseudo-scientific theories concerning race, civilization, and "progress" had become quite widespread in Europe in the second half of the 19th century. Others, especially Prussian nationalistic historian Heinrich von Treitschke did much to promote this form of racism. In Treitschke's writings Semitic was synonymous with Jewish.
Both the concept that the dogma of a contradictory religion to Judaism or the pseudo scientific ideas of antisemites who created the concept of Jews as race have authority to determine Jewish identity OVER the right of the laws of the people in question , reveals utter disregard and disrespect of the right of the Jewish people to self-determination according to Jewish law with regard to who is or is not a Jew.
When a Jew adopts a belief that is in conflict with the Jewish religion, the belief does NOT become a " Jewish belief" just because a Jew chooses to believe in it. THAT is the conflict Jews have with the Christians who call themselves Jews if they deceptively try to present their Christian belief AS Judaism. A Jew who converts to Hare Krishna is just as apostate, but there exists no Jews for Hare Krishna or Hare Krishna Judaism evangelical groups spending millions of dollars a year in campaigns to convert secular Jews by convincing them it is a form of Judaism.
You can become a member of a tribe or nation if you meet the criteria of citizenship. And the covenant people, Klal Yisrael, remain as in the earliest days of the covenant..a nation. It hasn't changed.
Reform Judaism (of which I am a member) will consider as Jewish one whose father is a Jew IF the child was RAISED in Judaism actively and exclusively. Even in Reform Judaism, simply having a Jewish father without exclusively Jewish upbringing, would require conversion on the part of the person with only a Jewish father to become a Jew. Reform Judaism also recognizes that only Orthodox conversion is considered acceptable to all branches.
It is against Jewish law for any Jew to discriminate against a convert to Judaism. Since the time of the Torah converts have been accepted as fully Jewish, and this is the case in all branches. We are not even supposed to refer to the fact that they are converts! It is up to them if they wish to identify themselves as such. They are Jews, period.

The covenant people, Israel have been MULTIRACIAL since the days of Torah, Moses' wife, Zipporah was a black woman. There have been Ethiopian Beta Yisrael since the days of Solomon! And I repeat, one cannot convert to a race. One may convert and become fully Jewish.

The Jewish Bible ( Tanakh ) tells from the beginning book to the end that the righteous of all nations ( Jew or Gentile ) have the capacity to connect directly to God, merit blessing and a place in the world to come. Every human is equal before God according to the Jewish religion. Atonement is directly from God. Shalom
Palestine was a geographic region that was under British Mandate, 80 percent of it was formed into Jordan. Israel, the ancient and eternal homeland of the Jewish nation people, became a legitimate state ( country) once again in 1948 after attempts for hundreds of years to do so..efforts had been under way to reestablish soverignty before the United States declared independence. That is historic fact.
I believe in the Declaration of Human Rights that gives every nation people the legitimate right to establish self-governance and self-determination.

[Slembana]

Hi Kamcha.

Hi

How are you?

[The Truth and Light]

Quit with the tone-policing.

No, I don't think I will stop. Whether your views are right or wrong, I don't care. But you're pissing off almost everybody in the room, as far as I can tell, and I'm close to seeing if this is mod-intervention worthy.

Because if you're pissed, that must mean I'm breaking some sort of rule, because as we all know, we're here to keep Bralia happy.

Whatever.

[Kamchastkia]

Hi

How are you?

Meh, Getting ready to go on a rant inside my head or on youtube, just depends whether or not I have a camera on then hbu:)