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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:40 am

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New England and The Maritimes wrote:Heh, there's no need to go that far. Just avoid buying into nonsense and stop saying yes to bullshit. Goes for all fields that are commercialized. I've never bought any kind of luxury good new. No need to hand my money over to someone whose sole purpose in life is to steal from society and abuse others for his own gain.


Yeah so horrible, businesses out to make a profit, what a horrible model for running an economy

Your trouble is you think "an economy" is a thing that it isn't. It's a system for distributing resources. When the system isn't providing maximum benefit, it should be changed.
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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:40 am

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Norstal wrote:1. Correlation is not causation.
2. If this is another one of those "YOU ARE ALL SHEEPLE" argument...

Nobody is a sheep, we're all human beings. There are a few people who are pretty content to consider themselves superior beings solely because of their greater proficiency for theft. Not enough people have woken up and figured out what the stratification of our society and its subordination to commercialism means, though, which is kind of depressing, but whatever.


How is it theft to provide a product or service that people are willing to pay for?
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Postby Laerod » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:41 am

Why is a bitter economic debate invading TET?

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:41 am

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New England and The Maritimes wrote:There's a reason for why music died in the 1990s. It had been going on since the 60s when entrenched interests lost control to a wave of independent thought.

Or you just have different tastes.

Anyway, anyone who would hoard wealth for himself and declare that he is better than someone else for it can only do bad for everyone. People get ideas into their heads, nobody tells them otherwise, and they turn into murderers like T. Cullen Davis because they can't understand the simple fact that other people are human beings worth just as much as they are.

I'm not one to defend the rich, but this is just ridiculous. That's not how the economy works. Having more money does not mean you turn into murderers.

He's an extreme case, but it's a trend for people to assume that money makes someone "better." Hence why the rich get more influence on our government and our society, for no reason other than their greater proficiency at theft.
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Postby Gallade » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:42 am

Laerod wrote:Why is a bitter economic debate invading TET?

It must be all the Christmass fuzzy-wuzzies.
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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:42 am

Laerod wrote:Why is a bitter economic debate invading TET?


That is the best question yet
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:43 am

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New England and The Maritimes wrote:Nobody is a sheep, we're all human beings. There are a few people who are pretty content to consider themselves superior beings solely because of their greater proficiency for theft. Not enough people have woken up and figured out what the stratification of our society and its subordination to commercialism means, though, which is kind of depressing, but whatever.


How is it theft to provide a product or service that people are willing to pay for?

How is it not theft to extort value from others and force the costs onto society? You realize a third of our oceans' species are in collapse right now thanks to the food industry?
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Postby Xarithis Arxanis » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:43 am

Norstal wrote:2. If this is another one of those "YOU ARE ALL SHEEPLE" argument...

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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:45 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Maldorainia wrote:
How is it theft to provide a product or service that people are willing to pay for?

How is it not theft to extort value from others and force the costs onto society? You realize a third of our oceans' species are in collapse right now thanks to the food industry?


Really, can you back that up with fact considering we still discover new species in the ocean, and we have to pay the cost, they put their own money in to produce it in the first place, pay workers, operating costs, so no, not theft, offsetting what they put into it and get a little more to expand and create more jobs
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Postby Chronic Hypersomnia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:47 am

I write some sick stuff when I'm horny.... hmmm.
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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:47 am

Chronic Hypersomnia wrote:I write some sick stuff when I'm horny.... hmmm.


Interesting to know
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Postby The Truth and Light » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:50 am

So the most interesting prophecy relating to 2012 is the idea that it's the set date of the dawning of the Age of Aquarius... thus a new phase in human evolution, possibly the dawning of a new worldwide ideology, maybe a period of political upheaval, etc.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:55 am

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New England and The Maritimes wrote:How is it not theft to extort value from others and force the costs onto society? You realize a third of our oceans' species are in collapse right now thanks to the food industry?


Really, can you back that up with fact considering we still discover new species in the ocean, and e have to pay the cost, they put their own money in to produce it in the first place, pay workers, operating costs, so no, not theft, offsetting what they put into it and get a little more to expand and create more jobs

Really? Reaching peak fish. No, they don't have to pay the cost. A coal mine doesn't have to pay the cost when people near the mine are 50% more likely to die of cancer. They suffer alone. The mine moves on, the spillage breaks loose, maybe the mine catches fire and burns for 200 years. If they're caught they file for bankruptcy. Oil magnates don't have to pony up when they destroy ecosystems with spills massive enough that we might never understand their full impact. The money it costs to contain the spill is about what they receive in subsidies every year. Wal mart doesn't have to pay the cost when its workers don't make enough money to feed themselves. The CEO of hostess doesn't have to personally pay back the $50 million he stole from their pension fund, or repay the amount of salaried pay they lost(a cut of about 30% over 5-6 years.)

Steve Jobs didn't have to pay a living wage to his "employees" in asia. Clothing companies didn't have to pay a living wage to their "employees" either, that money was apparently better spent on nets to make sure they couldn't kill themselves to avoid one more day of torture locked in a factory for 16 hour shifts.

The Corn Industry won't be the ones footing the bill when we're all out of rainforest and all out of time and tens of millions of people are starving to death in shifting global famines. It's plain and simple theft. It was theft before this became apparent, when going back through time these people took and held on to unearned privilege and disproportionate shares of social wealth with no regard for the cost to others.

If you don't want to know, you don't have to find out, but holding blindly to an ideological position when lives are at stake and billions of people are suffering every day is pretty asinine in my book.
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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:55 am

The Truth and Light wrote:So the most interesting prophecy relating to 2012 is the idea that it's the set date of the dawning of the Age of Aquarius... thus a new phase in human evolution, possibly the dawning of a new worldwide ideology, maybe a period of political upheaval, etc.


You not going to sing that Age of Aquarius song are you?
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Postby The Truth and Light » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:56 am

Maldorainia wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:So the most interesting prophecy relating to 2012 is the idea that it's the set date of the dawning of the Age of Aquarius... thus a new phase in human evolution, possibly the dawning of a new worldwide ideology, maybe a period of political upheaval, etc.


You not going to sing that Age of Aquarius song are you?

THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUUUUS

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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:56 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Maldorainia wrote:
Really, can you back that up with fact considering we still discover new species in the ocean, and e have to pay the cost, they put their own money in to produce it in the first place, pay workers, operating costs, so no, not theft, offsetting what they put into it and get a little more to expand and create more jobs

Really? Reaching peak fish. No, they don't have to pay the cost. A coal mine doesn't have to pay the cost when people near the mine are 50% more likely to die of cancer. They suffer alone. The mine moves on, the spillage breaks loose, maybe the mine catches fire and burns for 200 years. If they're caught they file for bankruptcy. Oil magnates don't have to pony up when they destroy ecosystems with spills massive enough that we might never understand their full impact. The money it costs to contain the spill is about what they receive in subsidies every year. Wal mart doesn't have to pay the cost when its workers don't make enough money to feed themselves. The CEO of hostess doesn't have to personally pay back the $50 million he stole from their pension fund, or repay the amount of salaried pay they lost(a cut of about 30% over 5-6 years.)

Steve Jobs didn't have to pay a living wage to his "employees" in asia. Clothing companies didn't have to pay a living wage to their "employees" either, that money was apparently better spent on nets to make sure they couldn't kill themselves to avoid one more day of torture locked in a factory for 16 hour shifts.

The Corn Industry won't be the ones footing the bill when we're all out of rainforest and all out of time and tens of millions of people are starving to death in shifting global famines. It's plain and simple theft. It was theft before this became apparent, when going back through time these people took and held on to unearned privilege and disproportionate shares of social wealth with no regard for the cost to others.

If you don't want to know, you don't have to find out, but holding blindly to an ideological position when lives are at stake and billions of people are suffering every day is pretty asinine in my book.


Yeah, think I will listen to Adam Smith, Ludwig Von Mises, Hayek, and Rothbard for my economic views, cause they were all geniuses and had degrees in economics, and proven to be right.
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:03 am

Man was not meant to rise before the swift coursers of Apollo's chariot.
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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:03 am

Astrolinium wrote:Man was not meant to rise before the swift coursers of Apollo's chariot.


That was deep
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Postby The Truth and Light » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:04 am

Maldorainia wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:Man was not meant to rise before the swift coursers of Apollo's chariot.


That was deep

Doesn't it just make you mad? :evil:

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Postby Xarithis Arxanis » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:05 am

The Truth and Light wrote:So the most interesting prophecy relating to 2012 is the idea that it's the set date of the dawning of the Age of Aquarius... thus a new phase in human evolution, possibly the dawning of a new worldwide ideology, maybe a period of political upheaval, etc.

Does that mean that I will finally achieve World Domination?
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Postby Tiltjuice » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:05 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Maldorainia wrote:
That was deep

Doesn't it just make you mad? :evil:


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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:06 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Maldorainia wrote:
That was deep

Doesn't it just make you mad? :evil:


Maldo does not get angry easily, I am free and fun loving :D
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Maldorainia wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Doesn't it just make you mad? :evil:


Maldo does not get angry easily, I am free and fun loving :D

I like you. :hug:

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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:07 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Maldorainia wrote:
Maldo does not get angry easily, I am free and fun loving :D

I like you. :hug:


Yay :hug:
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:07 am

Maldorainia wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:Man was not meant to rise before the swift coursers of Apollo's chariot.


That was deep


'That's what she said' would, I believe, be one of numerous potential responses here.
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