The Eternal Thread: What, you want MORE?!

[Ethel mermania]

May I suggest having sex? It's way better than texting...

Depends on who that woman is.

sex without love is an empty meaningless experience, but as far as empty meaningless experiences go, its a pretty good one,

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

It sucks. A lot. There were only 2 times when I wanted to take my life, and that was one. Mainly because I never in my wildest dreams imagined the amount of pain there would be from post-surgery, then from Physical therapy. But, it makes every other pain pale in comparison. I have some weird back problem right now that is super painful, and I have to get epidurals, heavy pain pills, and physical therapy, but it is nothing compared to that. The worst part of the ACL tear was the fact that it was right before prom and I had a date and everything. Never did go to prom.

I tore mine 3 years ago. I went through PT, now it's getting worse so they want me to have the surgery

Damn, I told my doctor to fix it ASAP, because I didn't want any shenannagans spring up on me later, even though he told me that it could get better with PT and time, I wanted the quick and painful fix. I really hope it works out for ya.

[Gidgetisms]

I tore mine 3 years ago. I went through PT, now it's getting worse so they want me to have the surgery

Damn, I told my doctor to fix it ASAP, because I didn't want any shenannagans spring up on me later, even though he told me that it could get better with PT and time, I wanted the quick and painful fix. I really hope it works out for ya.

I have to fight workers comp for it

[Seperates]

I didn't intend for them to recieve it that way, but there is only so much that talking about your problems can do. Eventually, you have to do something about them. Eventually you just have to confront the issue headon, because if you just wait it will probably escalate.

And if you can't confront it... then run. Quit your job. Sell your house. Move. Just get out of that situation that depresses you. It's what older bands of hunter-gatherer societies did, so there is really almost nothing healthier.

But, alas... such is the woes of American society. You get stuck in your place, and you are expected to stay there... but if you don't like it, then something is wrong with you. Not the situation. Your attitude... your character... Bullshit. All of it. Get up. Move. Do what you need to do.

The concept is easy to say, but then again that is exactly why you would not understand why others need to air things out. I can easily grab my bike and go to another state and pick up from there. But, not every human being on this earth has an IQ in the upper atmosphere, so some people need encouragement from others, without being bombarded by calloused attitudes of others demanding they simply change. I seriously doubt that you actually care (based on your signature), but could it be possible that this could have been the change they needed to make ripples into tidal waves before your criticism entered into the mix.

And those hunter gatherer societies you speak of took thousands of years to just uproot entire communities, losing hundreds if not thousands of people on the way to a better life. Is it so horrible if we want to take a little time to pick those people up and help them move forward instead of leaving them behind.

A generalized statement (so eloquently proving your level of compassion) about how the situation couldn't possibly be to blame for someone's problems, should probably be saved for your own head. That way you can actually think about how people will receive a statement before you project it to the world. I am not insulting you, I am simply saying what just happened because of a few words you spoke. Words are powerful.

*sighs* Did you not read what I was saying? Talking is great. But it only does so much. And if it doesn't make it any better, eventually you have to do something about it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. This is the advice I give because I have been there and done that.

No, the hunter-gatherer societies didn't lose hundreds and thousands of people, thanks to their more or less family planning style of community. I do not want to portray them as "noble savages" because they are just people like us. They are not "behind us" or "ahead of us". They just are. If they want the change they can come and get it, but we should not "help them move forward" unless that is where they want to go. Respect the people.

*sighs* On re-reading my statment, it was slightly unclear, and I apologize for that.
What I was saying is that there is nothing wrong with their character or their attitude, but with American society who simply expects them to sit around and take the crap that comes to them. You can get up and move. And you can resist and fight. But if you want your scoeity to change... you have to try to change it... for better or for worse. And you know what... talking is a start.

[Seperates]

Depends on who that woman is.

sex without love is an empty meaningless experience, but as far as empty meaningless experiences go, its a pretty good one,

I guess...

[Gidgetisms]

Cant you two get along?

[Seperates]

Cant you two get along?

It's my fault, honestly. I should have been more clear and we wouldn't have had this mis-communication.

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

The concept is easy to say, but then again that is exactly why you would not understand why others need to air things out. I can easily grab my bike and go to another state and pick up from there. But, not every human being on this earth has an IQ in the upper atmosphere, so some people need encouragement from others, without being bombarded by calloused attitudes of others demanding they simply change. I seriously doubt that you actually care (based on your signature), but could it be possible that this could have been the change they needed to make ripples into tidal waves before your criticism entered into the mix.

And those hunter gatherer societies you speak of took thousands of years to just uproot entire communities, losing hundreds if not thousands of people on the way to a better life. Is it so horrible if we want to take a little time to pick those people up and help them move forward instead of leaving them behind.

A generalized statement (so eloquently proving your level of compassion) about how the situation couldn't possibly be to blame for someone's problems, should probably be saved for your own head. That way you can actually think about how people will receive a statement before you project it to the world. I am not insulting you, I am simply saying what just happened because of a few words you spoke. Words are powerful.

*sighs* Did you not read what I was saying? Talking is great. But it only does so much. And if it doesn't make it any better, eventually you have to do something about it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. This is the advice I give because I have been there and done that.

No, the hunter-gatherer societies didn't lose hundreds and thousands of people, thanks to their more or less family planning style of community. I do not want to portray them as "noble savages" because they are just people like us. They are not "behind us" or "ahead of us". They just are. If they want the change they can come and get it, but we should not "help them move forward" unless that is where they want to go. Respect the people.

*sighs* On re-reading my statment, it was slightly unclear, and I apologize for that.
What I was saying is that there is nothing wrong with their character or their attitude, but with American society who simply expects them to sit around and take the crap that comes to them. You can get up and move. And you can resist and fight. But if you want your scoeity to change... you have to try to change it... for better or for worse. And you know what... talking is a start.

If they truly did not wish to move forward, they would not have spoken a single word and simply would have killed themselves. The fact of the matter is that it is abundantly clear they have a desire to become better, it doesn't matter what constraints society has placed on them or their community. If the will to survive and become better is there, I will swiftly and continuously defend their steps toward a better future. Some people can resist, and I can fight. The definition of insanity is centrically focused on the observer, who is not omniscient. You can't know if a result of their talking actually changed someone, you just knew you were sick it so you spoke up. The goal is not to change society, that starts with the individual, then echoes out to the community, then society is moved by a cultural movement. Simply resisting things like the tendency to reflect on the negative aspect of you own life (or refraining from the tendency to speak without considering the effects to others) is how you can change, but talking is the only way for that knowledge to be shared from those who know it to those who do not know it.

I know they weren't noble savages, but they did the same thing we do now, ignore those who need to continuously be lifted up. Respecting them is allowing them to understand fully the effect of surrendering to a cage that has no bars and no walls. Helping them to understand that suicide is succumbing to a mental cage, when they have the ability to remove themselves from the cage. In what way was alienating them from a conversation respect.

I read and re-read what you said both times to make sure I didn't jump down your throat for no reason. I clearly understood you from the beginning. The point I am making in the most simplistic of terms is; 1 Words are powerful, don't carelessly sling them around. 2 I have been in the same position, and I didn't talk my way out (nor did I just up and move, or fight my environment), I simply shifted my perception of reality, not everyone can do that. 3 For those who can't, simply talking (with words from others that think about what they are saying) may make the most difference in their lives. 4 Simply moving, or quiting, or dropping out might only make things worse, the change has to be internal before the change becomes external.

And no. I am pretty close to insanity, so I only get along with women during intimacy (in meaningless relationships of course)

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

Depends on who that woman is.

sex without love is an empty meaningless experience, but as far as empty meaningless experiences go, its a pretty good one,

I only say this because I have been in love, and gotten hurt. But, for now that is the exact experience I desire. I prefer not to have attachments to my assault rifle. Iron-sights only

p.s. It doesn't depend on the woman at all. Just (mostly) that she is a woman!

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

Cant you two get along?

I say that to my stomach and my liquor every morning when I wake up.

[Gidgetisms]

I'm at about 11 100 words for NaNoWriMo.... I dont think I'm going to make 50K

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

I'm at about 11 100 words for NaNoWriMo.... I dont think I'm going to make 50K

What's that?

[Gidgetisms]

I'm at about 11 100 words for NaNoWriMo.... I dont think I'm going to make 50K

What's that?

National Novel Writing Month

[Transnapastain]

I'm at about 11 100 words for NaNoWriMo.... I dont think I'm going to make 50K

Flashbacks? You said its a suicide story? I'm assuming its dark, probably sad. What about the character having lapses during the story to events in heir life? What if you did the whole "life flashes before their eyes" thing.

what if you wrote it like that, in an odd time flow format, where the entire thing was the characters life flashing before their eyes, maybe interspersed with the events leading up to their untimely death?

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

I wish someone could come over and make me breakfast... I am so hungry

[Gidgetisms]

I'm at about 11 100 words for NaNoWriMo.... I dont think I'm going to make 50K

Flashbacks? You said its a suicide story? I'm assuming its dark, probably sad. What about the character having lapses during the story to events in heir life? What if you did the whole "life flashes before their eyes" thing.

what if you wrote it like that, in an odd time flow format, where the entire thing was the characters life flashing before their eyes, maybe interspersed with the events leading up to their untimely death?

I actually have 3 different time periods. Her sitting in the car as her body dies, the different memories leading her down this path, and the events of the days and weeks leading to her suicide attempt as she prepares.

[Transnapastain]

Flashbacks? You said its a suicide story? I'm assuming its dark, probably sad. What about the character having lapses during the story to events in heir life? What if you did the whole "life flashes before their eyes" thing.

what if you wrote it like that, in an odd time flow format, where the entire thing was the characters life flashing before their eyes, maybe interspersed with the events leading up to their untimely death?

I actually have 3 different time periods. Her sitting in the car as her body dies, the different memories leading her down this path, and the events of the days and weeks leading to her suicide attempt as she prepares.

Ah, damn. Alright, you've got that covered.

[Gidgetisms]

I actually have 3 different time periods. Her sitting in the car as her body dies, the different memories leading her down this path, and the events of the days and weeks leading to her suicide attempt as she prepares.

Ah, damn. Alright, you've got that covered.

LOL It might just be a matter of expanding what I have, I have her death written (yes she dies), and most of the memories, just not the planning or present day sits. And I'm not sure how to introduce the planning stages.

[Transnapastain]

Ah, damn. Alright, you've got that covered.

LOL It might just be a matter of expanding what I have, I have her death written (yes she dies), and most of the memories, just not the planning or present day sits. And I'm not sure how to introduce the planning stages.

Google search, you could have her Google search different ways to commit suicide.

Its nothing to be either way, but I really hope the objective of the story is to try and show people not to off themselves, in addition to entertain.

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

Ah, damn. Alright, you've got that covered.

LOL It might just be a matter of expanding what I have, I have her death written (yes she dies), and most of the memories, just not the planning or present day sits. And I'm not sure how to introduce the planning stages.

What about expanding her thought processes, like how her mind reacts to certain events. Or stretching out the initial details of the environment as it is exposed to the reader?

[Gidgetisms]

LOL It might just be a matter of expanding what I have, I have her death written (yes she dies), and most of the memories, just not the planning or present day sits. And I'm not sure how to introduce the planning stages.

Google search, you could have her Google search different ways to commit suicide.

Its nothing to be either way, but I really hope the objective of the story is to try and show people not to off themselves, in addition to entertain.

It's more to show people that it doesn't take a critical event to make people contemplate suicide, that it could be a series of little things, that people who seem to be normal could be hiding this inside.
I'm thinking of calling it Snatching Feathers. I allude to wings and feathers several times, I'm hoping that it comes across as an allusion to angels.

[Gidgetisms]

LOL It might just be a matter of expanding what I have, I have her death written (yes she dies), and most of the memories, just not the planning or present day sits. And I'm not sure how to introduce the planning stages.

What about expanding her thought processes, like how her mind reacts to certain events. Or stretching out the initial details of the environment as it is exposed to the reader?

expound please?

[Transnapastain]

Google search, you could have her Google search different ways to commit suicide.

Its nothing to be either way, but I really hope the objective of the story is to try and show people not to off themselves, in addition to entertain.

It's more to show people that it doesn't take a critical event to make people contemplate suicide, that it could be a series of little things, that people who seem to be normal could be hiding this inside.
I'm thinking of calling it Snatching Feathers. I allude to wings and feathers several times, I'm hoping that it comes across as an allusion to angels.

Thats cool, I can get down with it. Its important that people understand even the smallest actions on their parts can trigger bigger problems for others, even unintentionally.

[Gidgetisms]

It's more to show people that it doesn't take a critical event to make people contemplate suicide, that it could be a series of little things, that people who seem to be normal could be hiding this inside.
I'm thinking of calling it Snatching Feathers. I allude to wings and feathers several times, I'm hoping that it comes across as an allusion to angels.

Thats cool, I can get down with it. Its important that people understand even the smallest actions on their parts can trigger bigger problems for others, even unintentionally.

I think I sent part of it to you at one point.

[Imm0rtal Kn0wledge]

It's more to show people that it doesn't take a critical event to make people contemplate suicide, that it could be a series of little things, that people who seem to be normal could be hiding this inside.
I'm thinking of calling it Snatching Feathers. I allude to wings and feathers several times, I'm hoping that it comes across as an allusion to angels.

Thats cool, I can get down with it. Its important that people understand even the smallest actions on their parts can trigger bigger problems for others, even unintentionally.

I agree whole heartedly!