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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:37 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:And half the time you all make me wish that evolution had stopped at apes.


We're apes. It did.

Hmm...chimpanezes, then.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:37 pm

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That's not exactly a realistic situation unless you transformed an entire race into zombies, stuffed them with plastic explosive and fired them over the border from Mexico.

I'd watch that on PPV


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Postby Immoren » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:37 pm

DesAnges wrote:How's things Im?

Good.
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Postby Alexlantis » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:38 pm

The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:
Alexlantis wrote:Why should it matter what religion someone is if they're doing the right thing?

I personally don't care. I was just saying, thats not all of Christ's teaching.

The way I understand it, Christ died so that anyone could get into Heaven if they were a good person. Not just Jews. Not just Christians. Anyone.

As for that "salvation only through me" bit that so many people go apeshit over, he was probably referring more to his method of living than anything else.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:38 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
We're apes. It did.

Hmm...chimpanezes, then.

They came from the same common ancestor we did, we never came from them
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:38 pm

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Hathradic States wrote:No, but if it was one or the other, my people come first.

Then I'd have to ask, who would you consider to be "your people"? People born here in the US? Permanent aliens with green cards? Immigrants with visas here for an education? Illegal immigrants?

Those who are loyal the US and wish to be here. I am in favour of open immigration and allowing people who want to be here to be here.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:39 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:Then I'd have to ask, who would you consider to be "your people"? People born here in the US? Permanent aliens with green cards? Immigrants with visas here for an education? Illegal immigrants?

Those who are loyal the US and wish to be here. I am in favour of open immigration and allowing people who want to be here to be here.

Then what if those people who are being killed do wish to live in the US, but they cannot due to oppression?
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Postby DesAnges » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:39 pm

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DesAnges wrote:Hey Meso, how are ya this fine evening?

Fine as usual. Yourself?

Very tired and a bit sunburnt, but the festival turned out good in the end after a bit of a rubbish start, so all good.

What have I missed?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:39 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then I'd have to ask, who would you consider to be "your people"? People born here in the US? Permanent aliens with green cards? Immigrants with visas here for an education? Illegal immigrants?

Those who are loyal the US and wish to be here. I am in favour of open immigration and allowing people who want to be here to be here.


No. That's not racist or nasty enough. Live up to the caricature, Hath, live up to the caricature!
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:39 pm

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Norstal wrote:Xenophobia and aggression is anti-American. Goodwill is, however, American.

I've seen my fair share of xenophobia and aggression from Americans on this site.

I understand, but I'll say that they are anti-Americans simply because that's neither what the founding fathers intended us to be like nor were original inhabitants of this continent (who also helped made our Constitution btw) were like.
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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:39 pm

Alexlantis wrote:
The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:I personally don't care. I was just saying, thats not all of Christ's teaching.

The way I understand it, Christ died so that anyone could get into Heaven if they were a good person. Not just Jews. Not just Christians. Anyone.

As for that "salvation only through me" bit that so many people go apeshit over, he was probably referring more to his method of living than anything else.

I disagree whole heartidly, but w.e.

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Postby DesAnges » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:40 pm

Immoren wrote:
DesAnges wrote:How's things Im?

Good.

Excellent.
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Postby Mesoland » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:40 pm

DesAnges wrote:
Mesoland wrote:Fine as usual. Yourself?

Very tired and a bit sunburnt, but the festival turned out good in the end after a bit of a rubbish start, so all good.

What have I missed?

You been at the V Festival or something?

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Postby Mushet » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:40 pm

Norstal wrote:
Mushet wrote:I think you got it backwards, and I live in America :p

No Mushet. I don't remember the Native Americans ever attacking European colonists. Xenophobia and aggression were old European ideals, something that even modern Europeans themselves abandoned.

They did, just not enough to kick them out......

And the country America was founded on fraud and genocide so I'm going with xenophobia and aggression are American values, American reffering to the nation of the USA
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:40 pm

Norstal wrote:
Mushet wrote:I think you got it backwards, and I live in America :p

No Mushet. I don't remember the Native Americans ever attacking European colonists. Xenophobia and aggression were old European ideals, something that even modern Europeans themselves abandoned.

They sure as hell went at eachother hammer and tongs. Or does that not count?

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Postby Alexlantis » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:40 pm

The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:
Alexlantis wrote:Pretty much.

Martin Luther was right when he went against the Catholic Church's corruption. He was wrong when, out of faith and good works, he chose faith as the important one.

Ok, I disagree there. If you aren't a Christian, I don't care and i won't pick on you and yada yada. But if you are the Bible says that faith is more important than good works. Still, don;t be an asshole to be people.

Where does it say that?

Keep in mind that a lot of the Old Testament rules stopped applying as soon as Christ started up His "love everyone" campaign.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:41 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Those who are loyal the US and wish to be here. I am in favour of open immigration and allowing people who want to be here to be here.

Then what if those people who are being killed do wish to live in the US, but they cannot due to oppression?

Life ain't fair, sadly.

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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:42 pm

Alexlantis wrote:
The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:Ok, I disagree there. If you aren't a Christian, I don't care and i won't pick on you and yada yada. But if you are the Bible says that faith is more important than good works. Still, don;t be an asshole to be people.

Where does it say that?

Keep in mind that a lot of the Old Testament rules stopped applying as soon as Christ started up His "love everyone" campaign.

John 14:6? But again, I believe the bible and shit. I know that isn't popular on NSG, so I'll leave now.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:43 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Those who are loyal the US and wish to be here. I am in favour of open immigration and allowing people who want to be here to be here.


No. That's not racist or nasty enough. Live up to the caricature, Hath, live up to the caricature!

*sigh*

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Postby Mesoland » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:43 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then what if those people who are being killed do wish to live in the US, but they cannot due to oppression?

Life ain't fair, sadly.

Here's an extreme comparison.

You fall off a ride at a theme park and are paralysed. Your family sue the park because the ride was unsafe but the judge says 'life ain't fair'.

What now?

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Postby Individuality-ness » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:43 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then what if those people who are being killed do wish to live in the US, but they cannot due to oppression?

Life ain't fair, sadly.

Which sucks. Oh well.
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Postby DesAnges » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:45 pm

Mesoland wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Very tired and a bit sunburnt, but the festival turned out good in the end after a bit of a rubbish start, so all good.

What have I missed?

You been at the V Festival or something?

Haha, not the money for that I'm afraid. Nah, was a little independent one called Hamswell.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:45 pm

Mushet wrote:
Norstal wrote:No Mushet. I don't remember the Native Americans ever attacking European colonists. Xenophobia and aggression were old European ideals, something that even modern Europeans themselves abandoned.

They did, just not enough to kick them out......

At first they welcome them. For example, Roanoke colony was thought to be "lost" because all the colonists moved out to nearby Indian encampments.

And the country America was founded on fraud and genocide so I'm going with xenophobia and aggression are American values, American reffering to the nation of the USA

That's stupid. Just because Japan and China was founded by warring states, doesn't mean we should think of them as warlike people. Neither should we think of Australians as a bunch of criminals. Please grow up.
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Postby Alexlantis » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:46 pm

The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:
Alexlantis wrote:Where does it say that?

Keep in mind that a lot of the Old Testament rules stopped applying as soon as Christ started up His "love everyone" campaign.

John 14:6?

I'm not Jesus, so I can't tell you exactly what He meant by that, but, knowing that Jesus was the kind of guy He was, He probably meant that no one gets into Heaven unless they do what He says.
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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:46 pm

Alexlantis wrote:
The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:John 14:6?

I'm not Jesus, so I can't tell you exactly what He meant by that, but, knowing that Jesus was the kind of guy He was, He probably meant that no one gets into Heaven unless they do what He says.

Which would be to believe in Him?

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