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Postby DesAnges » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:04 am

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A reason why soccer had a hard time breaking into American society perhaps? Play lasts for 90 minutes, for the most part as a continuous stream of movement. If you're used to something more fractured it might be difficult to sit through something that continuous without getting bored.
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Postby Miasto Lodz » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:43 am

Dunno. Basketball is quite fluent (at least until fifth foul in the quarter). So is the hockey.
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Postby DesAnges » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:41 am

Miasto Lodz wrote:Dunno. Basketball is quite fluent (at least until fifth foul in the quarter). So is the hockey.

Basketball is the other way though, there are no respites from scoring.

Hmm. I should revise my original statement to something along the lines of "Perhaps it hasn't caught on because there are long continuous periods of play without goals." Not to say that those periods can't be exciting - but if you're used to either continuous scoring or stody, broken play, I can see why you would think football is a bit shit.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:05 pm

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:00 pm

Unbelievable game...Real Madrid v Citeh...hate to say it, and I really really do, but Ronaldo does seem to have a little bit of talent.
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Postby Super Bwitain » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:38 pm

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:Unbelievable game...Real Madrid v Citeh...hate to say it, and I really really do, but Ronaldo does seem to have a little bit of talent.


I think we should direct compliments at Marcelo. He was fucking excellent tonight. I can only hope Madrid use this to get some momentum in La Liga.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:47 pm

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Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:Unbelievable game...Real Madrid v Citeh...hate to say it, and I really really do, but Ronaldo does seem to have a little bit of talent.


I think we should direct compliments at Marcelo. He was fucking excellent tonight. I can only hope Madrid use this to get some momentum in La Liga.


Yeah he's a decent player. Not a fan of Real however...never liked the entire Franco thing...
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Postby Disserbia » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:02 pm

Ronaldo is so obnoxious. His goal is all everyone will talk about but I think other people on RM had a better game. I can't believe they didn't score earlier. But what I really don't understand is how City kept RM from scoring for so long and then conceded two goals in less than 5 minutes. You can't stop playing before the game is over, especially against a side as good as RM.
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Postby I V Stalin » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:20 pm

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Miasto Lodz wrote:Dunno. Basketball is quite fluent (at least until fifth foul in the quarter). So is the hockey.

Basketball is the other way though, there are no respites from scoring.

Hmm. I should revise my original statement to something along the lines of "Perhaps it hasn't caught on because there are long continuous periods of play without goals." Not to say that those periods can't be exciting - but if you're used to either continuous scoring or stody, broken play, I can see why you would think football is a bit shit.

If you* can't sit through 45 minutes of sport with no breaks, what the fuck are you* doing watching sport?

Though even football has mini-breaks during play - set pieces generally allow a short break in concentration, and they generally take up maybe 15-20 minutes of a match.

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DesAnges wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwNTExNDUyWj.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

A reason why soccer had a hard time breaking into American society perhaps? Play lasts for 90 minutes, for the most part as a continuous stream of movement. If you're used to something more fractured it might be difficult to sit through something that continuous without getting bored.


I'm not sure, rugby is constantly criticised here (who knew, true dedication is complaining about an almost twenty match winning streak?) and the lack of fluidity is a chief complaint. It's also why we don't see a sensible reason for not having a TMO in cricket...
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Postby Wopruthien » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:43 am

DesAnges wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwNTExNDUyWj.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

A reason why soccer had a hard time breaking into American society perhaps? Play lasts for 90 minutes, for the most part as a continuous stream of movement. If you're used to something more fractured it might be difficult to sit through something that continuous without getting bored.


Another theory, the TV companies cannot get behind football/soccer as they can't shove in the ad breaks during match play as they will miss something. So do not promote it the same.
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Postby DesAnges » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:30 am

Wopruthien wrote:
DesAnges wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwNTExNDUyWj.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

A reason why soccer had a hard time breaking into American society perhaps? Play lasts for 90 minutes, for the most part as a continuous stream of movement. If you're used to something more fractured it might be difficult to sit through something that continuous without getting bored.


Another theory, the TV companies cannot get behind football/soccer as they can't shove in the ad breaks during match play as they will miss something. So do not promote it the same.

There is that as well. I've been watching streams of Fox Soccer games and they show banner ads at the bottom, which is distracting.
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Postby Farfadillis » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:24 am

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Wopruthien wrote:Another theory, the TV companies cannot get behind football/soccer as they can't shove in the ad breaks during match play as they will miss something. So do not promote it the same.

There is that as well. I've been watching streams of Fox Soccer games and they show banner ads at the bottom, which is distracting.

Same happens here, and I don't live in the US. It must be that even doing that, the lack of interest won't give them money at all. It's a vicious circle.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:27 am

Different countries occasionally have different popular sports.

It happens.

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:55 am

Nazis in Space wrote:Different countries occasionally have different popular sports.

It happens.

Oh I understand that, but it's kinda interesting to talk about why different sports have evolved in the different ways.

It's no different to discussing why one kind of finch evolved on one Galapagan island over another, at a base level.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:57 am

DesAnges wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Different countries occasionally have different popular sports.

It happens.

Oh I understand that, but it's kinda interesting to talk about why different sports have evolved in the different ways.

It's no different to discussing why one kind of finch evolved on one Galapagan island over another, at a base level.


Blasphemy. All sports were designed by an intelligent creator (except for curling)!
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Postby DesAnges » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:12 pm

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DesAnges wrote:Oh I understand that, but it's kinda interesting to talk about why different sports have evolved in the different ways.

It's no different to discussing why one kind of finch evolved on one Galapagan island over another, at a base level.


Blasphemy. All sports were designed by an intelligent creator (except for curling)!

All sports were designed by Sky Sports. All praise the almighty Murdoch!
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:12 pm

Congrats NAC Breda, for being 100 years old today :bow: :clap:
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Postby Nadkor » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:03 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:Congrats NAC Breda, for being 100 years old today :bow: :clap:


There's a place in Belfast called Knockbreda, and with a really strong Belfast accent it would be pronounced nac(k)breda.

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Postby Serrland » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:16 pm

Here I was thinking that Man U had played away in Istanbul. 1-0 is a respectable win away - it's about as hostile an environment as you can imagine. But 1-0 at Old Trafford seems a bit low to me. I didn't watch the match, so I don't want to put too much stock in just the scoreline, but I wonder if Fergie isn't feeling a bit relieved that the group is weak enough that goal difference won't matter...

Glad to hear Fletcher made his comeback though.

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Postby I V Stalin » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:29 pm

Serrland wrote:Here I was thinking that Man U had played away in Istanbul. 1-0 is a respectable win away - it's about as hostile an environment as you can imagine. But 1-0 at Old Trafford seems a bit low to me. I didn't watch the match, so I don't want to put too much stock in just the scoreline, but I wonder if Fergie isn't feeling a bit relieved that the group is weak enough that goal difference won't matter...

Glad to hear Fletcher made his comeback though.

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Postby Nadkor » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:35 am

United were class for half an hour, okay for half an hour, and shit for half an hour.

That's all you need to know, really.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:13 am

So...Demba Ba...on his way?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19655578

7 million...not a bad deal but he doesn't seem to want to be a second fiddle. Also his agent seems to be a bit of a dick. Then again most if not all these football agents seem to be dicks.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:36 am

Nadkor wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Congrats NAC Breda, for being 100 years old today :bow: :clap:


There's a place in Belfast called Knockbreda, and with a really strong Belfast accent it would be pronounced nac(k)breda.

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Better than nothing.

And we do have a bit of a British tradition, so it fits :lol2:
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Postby Super Bwitain » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:07 pm

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