Better than not getting a vote at all, honestly.
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by Seperates » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:45 pm

by The Emerald Dawn » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:46 pm

by AiliailiA » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:00 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.

by The Emerald Dawn » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:02 pm
Ailiailia wrote:The Emerald Dawn wrote:Why not? You have your ballot well in advance. If you don't get one, you can show up to ANY post office and get another by filling out a form. There is literally no reason to not vote in my state.
I've changed my mind. It's become more and more popular since first being tried. 80% of registered voters casting ballots is impressive. There's a paper trail in case the vote is disputed. And apparently it is even cheap to operate (shouldn't be a factor but obviously is since some states don't provide enough polling places for people to vote without queuing up).
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:32 pm
Neo Art wrote:Fivethirtyeight.com has a fascinating headline read that's the current story on the site right now, explaining how to read Romney's current 7 point lead amongst likely voters, on the Gallup poll, when virtually every other poll shows a dead heat, with leads in swing states giving the lead to Obama.
The article basically boils down to "Gallup is very accurate, when it's in consensus with the rest of the polls, but Gallup has a history of being a weird outlier, and when it is an outlier, it's almost always wrong, so when Gallup is giving you data that's very different than the rest of the story, it's far more likely to be wrong than right"

by The Emerald Dawn » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:39 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Neo Art wrote:Fivethirtyeight.com has a fascinating headline read that's the current story on the site right now, explaining how to read Romney's current 7 point lead amongst likely voters, on the Gallup poll, when virtually every other poll shows a dead heat, with leads in swing states giving the lead to Obama.
The article basically boils down to "Gallup is very accurate, when it's in consensus with the rest of the polls, but Gallup has a history of being a weird outlier, and when it is an outlier, it's almost always wrong, so when Gallup is giving you data that's very different than the rest of the story, it's far more likely to be wrong than right"
It was interesting to see him on the Daily Show say people are too obsessed with polls...poll watching is that guy's bread and butter and even he was all, "yeah, people weird out about this shit when they shouldn't."
And yet, I am undettered as I compulsively check it waiting for the daily update.

by Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:24 pm

by Wikkiwallana » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:18 pm
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Holy shit, this is actually up to the governor's discretion?
Voter suppression is becoming popular in Indiana too, but at least here keeping the polls open for everyone who's in line at the 6 PM deadline is required by statute.
Mail. In. Voting. Seriously, Oregon uses it and it works fantastically. No polls. No lines. No waiting. Get your ballot weeks in advance, deposit at any of a gajillion places. ???? Profit.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

by Alien Space Bats » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:43 am


by Free South Califas » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:33 am
Also you leave out that the French used its puppet state imperial Mexico to support the confederacy.
Ailiailia wrote:The Emerald Dawn wrote:Mail. In. Voting. Seriously, Oregon uses it and it works fantastically. No polls. No lines. No waiting. Get your ballot weeks in advance, deposit at any of a gajillion places. ???? Profit.
Wow, it's the only method of voting? I'm not sure I like that.
EDIT: Wikipedia sez: "2000 Oregon becomes the first state in the nation to conduct a presidential election entirely by mail. About 80% of registered voters participated." That's the highest in the country (other than Wyoming but that's because they allow election-day registration). OK, I'm persuaded.

by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:28 am
Free South Califas wrote:Ailiailia wrote:
Wow, it's the only method of voting? I'm not sure I like that.
EDIT: Wikipedia sez: "2000 Oregon becomes the first state in the nation to conduct a presidential election entirely by mail. About 80% of registered voters participated." That's the highest in the country (other than Wyoming but that's because they allow election-day registration). OK, I'm persuaded.
What are homeless voters supposed to do, exactly? Not everyone has a mailing address. Oregonians, is there a fee to get a ballot at the post office? What are the preconditions and what do you sign on the form?
http://www.oregonvotes.org/pages/faq/index.html wrote:Can I register to vote if I am homeless?
Yes, if you are a US citizen, an Oregon Resident and at least 17 years of age. Your residence address may be any place you sleep within the county. You must describe the physical location where you sleep. A homeless person may use the mailing address of the county elections official of the county in which the person is located.

by Alien Space Bats » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:03 pm


by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:07 pm

by ALMF » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:33 pm
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:It was interesting to see him on the Daily Show say people are too obsessed with polls...poll watching is that guy's bread and butter and even he was all, "yeah, people weird out about this shit when they shouldn't."
And yet, I am undettered as I compulsively check it waiting for the daily update.
But there is a difference between saying "I want to see how things have changed, and what has factored into that change." and saying "OH GOD THE NUMBER DROPPED ALL IS LOST OBAMA IS GOING TO LOSE IN A LANDSLIDE"

by Farnhamia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:36 pm

by New Chalcedon » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:37 pm

by Farnhamia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:38 pm
New Chalcedon wrote:ALMF wrote:That it true: this puts rominy back in the game.
It's funny how Republicans love to appeal to the popular vote the moment their guy looks like he *might* be ahead in it, but the moment the Democrat wins the popular vote, out comes the solemn "We must respect the Electoral College" face.
Or should I say "farce"?

by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:42 pm
Farnhamia wrote:
"Farce," I think. The GOP has been putting one on since 2009, if not earlier. As soon as people wearing tea bags on three-cornered hats showed up on the political scene. Tea bags were first marketed around 1910, I believe.

by Farnhamia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:43 pm
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Farnhamia wrote:"Farce," I think. The GOP has been putting one on since 2009, if not earlier. As soon as people wearing tea bags on three-cornered hats showed up on the political scene. Tea bags were first marketed around 1910, I believe.
Tea-Bagging is a time honored tradition, hailing all the way back to the Mayflower, when Christopher Jones proved his alpha male dominance over Stephen Hopkins for calling him a "lost bugger".

by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:44 pm

by Farnhamia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:46 pm

by Alien Space Bats » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:56 pm
New Chalcedon wrote:ALMF wrote:That it true: this puts rominy back in the game.
It's funny how Republicans love to appeal to the popular vote the moment their guy looks like he *might* be ahead in it, but the moment the Democrat wins the popular vote, out comes the solemn "We must respect the Electoral College" face.
Or should I say "farce"?
The Continuing Importance of Protecting the Electoral College
We oppose the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact or any other scheme to abolish or distort the procedures of the Electoral College. We recognize that an unconstitutional effort to impose “national popular vote” would be a mortal threat to our federal system and a guarantee of corruption as every ballot box in every state would become a chance to steal the presidency.

by Alien Space Bats » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:17 pm
Region | Obama | Romney | Margin |
East | 52% | 48% | Obama +4% |
Midwest | 52% | 48% | Obama +4% |
South | 39% | 61% | Romney +22% |
West | 53% | 47% | Obama +6% |
Region | Obama | Romney | Margin | Electoral College |
East | 52% | 48% | Obama +4% | Obama 108-9 |
Midwest | 52% | 48% | Obama +4% | Obama 80-38 |
South | 39% | 61% | Romney +22% | Romney 162-0-13 |
West | 53% | 47% | Obama +6% | Obama 98-30 |

by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:21 pm

by Farnhamia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:24 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:... And so while we're on the subject...
Yesterday Andrew Tanenbaum had an interesting table on his page:
Region Obama Romney Margin East 52% 48% Obama +4% Midwest 52% 48% Obama +4% South 39% 61% Romney +22% West 53% 47% Obama +6%
This table goes a long way towards explaining something I've been talking about for months: Romney's voting strength is too concentrated; this concentration puts him at a disadvantage when it comes to the Electoral College.
Let's look at the foregoing table again, adding the Electoral College splits:
Region Obama Romney Margin Electoral
College East 52% 48% Obama +4% Obama 108-9 Midwest 52% 48% Obama +4% Obama 80-38 South 39% 61% Romney +22% Romney 162-0-13 West 53% 47% Obama +6% Obama 98-30
The data for these tables comes from Gallup; I can't find the weights Gallup assigns to each region, but in its 2008 exit poll summary, the New York Times assigns these four regions the following relative weights:East - 21%
Midwest - 24%
South - 32%
West - 23%
So here's the thought experiment I want you all to consider: What if Romney's support in the South rose by 10% (to 71-29). Such an increase would probably tip the last Southern State (Virginia) into Romney's camp, and it would raise his National popular vote total by roughly 6.4%.
But would it be enough to make him President? No, it would not: He'd still end up losing 286-252 in the Electoral College in spite of the increase in popular support.
And that, in turn, begs the question: Should it be enough to make him President? My gut says "no", which is why I like the Electoral College; simply put, I don't think that the South, as the Nation's most populous region, ought to be in a position to dominate and dictate policy to the rest of the country. It should need much stronger support elsewhere than a mere 47-48% of the popular vote in order to exercise National rule.
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