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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:40 pm

I'd like to begin by giving you a link to my favorite election web site: Electoral-vote.com.

Let's start with the nitty-gritty: The site is maintained by a world-famous IT expert, Andrew Tanenbaum. Per Wikipedia:

He is best known as the author of MINIX, a free Unix-like operating system for teaching purposes, and for his computer science textbooks, regarded as standard texts in the field. He regards his teaching job as his most important work. Since 2004 he has operated a web site dedicated to analysis of polling data in U.S. federal elections.

Tennebaum's web site created something of a stir when it was launched in 2004: He refused to identify himself until the day before the election, signing his work simply as "the Votemaster". This fed intense speculation on all sides as to who this mysterious "Votemaster" was; many thought that he was an independent pollster or political consultant; both Republicans and Democrats accused him of favoring the other side in his predictions. Needless to say, when everybody found out who he was, it came as something of a shock:

Many people have asked who am I, what my qualifications are, and why am I doing this. People have speculated that I am a Clinton administration official, a bored retired statistician and more. Welcome to the Votemaster FAQ.

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My name is Andrew Tanenbaum. I am one of the 7 million U.S. citizens living abroad. I am a professor of computer science at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Most of you have never heard of me but in an itsy-bitsy, teeny-weeny corner of the universe I have done enough stuff that Google has somehow managed to dig up 10,000 pages referring to me.

When I am not collecting data, analyzing it, or blogging, my day job is doing the kind of stuff professors at major research universities normally do. The best part is working with young people, especially my graduate students.

To answer the question of why I am in The Netherlands, my lovely wife is Dutch and long ago we decided that she couldn't do her kind of work in the U.S. whereas I could work anywhere. I visit the U.S. several times a year and am thoroughly familiar what is going on there. I also read the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Washington Post on-line every day, as well as numerous political websites and blogs.

I grew up in Westchester County, just north of New York City, a Republican bastion and then the 5th wealthiest county in the country. My parents were staunch Republicans. They liked Ike. I went to M.I.T. and then got a Ph.D. from the University of California.

Tennebaum's predictions were off in 2004, but only because the final results differed considerably from both the pre-election polling and the exit polls. Here are the final results Tanenbaum projected on November 2nd, 2004:

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As you can see, the polling data at that time indicated that the race was a dead heat (Kerry 262, Bush 261, with New Jersey (15 EV's) too close to call). When the dust settled, here was the final map:

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Three States flipped in the final voting from their predicted outcomes in pre-election polling: Wisconsin broke Democratic rather than Republican, while Iowa, New Mexico, and Florida broke Republican rather than Democratic, the last State by a significant margin. New Jersey, the State that was too close to call in pre-election polls, broke for the Democrats.

Of interest are also the Senate projections: Pre-election polling suggested that the Democrats would end up with 47 seats (including Bernie Sanders' seat in Vermont among their ranks, as Sanders - an independent - caucuses with the Democrats) and the GOP winning 51 (two seats were reckoned as tossups. In fact, the final balance (including Sanders with the Democrats) was 45-55, as shift of +2 for the GOP from the pre-election predictions.

Although Tanenbaum intimated that he would not maintain the site past 2008 - and that he would not use it to track another election - he relented and tracked both the 2006 and 2010 off-year elections as well as the 2008 election. In 2008, his predictions were closer; these were the final results predicted on November 4th, 2008:

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As you can see, Obama is shown leading McCain 353-174, with Missouri (11 EV's) too close to call. Compare this with the final results:

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Obama beats McCain 365-173, with McCain taking the toss-up State and the Democrats winning Indiana and the single EV from Omaha's Congressional District on a takeaway.

More interestingly, the Senate was projected to break 58-42 for the Democrats (again including Sanders among their ranks); the final result, after the Franken-Coleman recount, was actually 59-41.

Now, what do these maps tell us? For one thing, prognostication is only as good as the polling done in advance of it. Final results in any State can swing a couple points either way. A more important lesson, however, can be learned from the early polling. This is what the 2004 map looked like on May 24th, 2004 (the first day the site was up and in operation):

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At first blush, this map - which shows Bush beating Kerry by a 281-257 margin, seems pretty accurate; yet several of the States (Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, and New Mexico) are wrong. Some of this is no doubt simple error; but part of it is also the result of actual changes in the electorate (eg., Michigan drifting Democratic, Ohio drifting Republican).

The map from four years ago is even more dramatic:

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Here we see Obama and McCain running neck and neck (with Obama leading by a 264-259 margin; North Carolina - with 15 EV's is deemed too close to call). Interestingly enough, the Clinton-McCain map from that same date was closer to the mark:

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Here we see Hillary beating McCain 284-244, with Wisconsin (10 EV's) too close to call; in some ways Clinton's polling was actually a more accurate reflection of Democratic preferences, showing the effects of Clinton's endorsement of Obama and the intra-party healing that followed that move.

That said, it's interesting to look at where the 2008 race stood on Labor Day - the traditional fall campaign kickoff date:

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As you can see, the race is still close even as September begins: Obama leads a united Democratic Party over a Republican Party that was disenchanted with John McCain (who conservatives saw as a RINO); due to Hurricane Gustav delaying the arrival of delegates from the South, the Republican Convention (in St. Paul, MN) had not actually been held yet, an unprecedented factor in this election (it marks, in fact, the latest nomination convention in history; it came that late due to the 2008 Summer Olympics). Over the next two weeks, several things happened: McCain chose Sarah Palin as his "game changing" running mate, the GOP enjoyed a short-lived post-nomination bounce, and then the stock market tanked, beginning with the Lehman Brothers' bankrupcty on September 14th.

The public reaction to the market collapse and subsequent Wall Street bailout is a case study in how unexpected events can affect a Presidential campaign. Unemployment was already rising rapidly (along with oil prices, BTW) and market analysts had been calling it a bear market for almost three months. Yet during the last two weeks of September, the wheels fell of the McCain campaign and the public swung sharply to Obama. Here is the map as of Septemebr 15th, at the height of the McCain post-convention surge:

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As you can see, it's a dead heat, with McCain leading by a 270-268 margin. Yet by October 1st, this is the situation:

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The map shows Obama up 286-190, with three key States - Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina (collectively, 62 EV's) all too close to call, but trending Democratic. The coming landslide is taking shape.

The moral of this story is:

  • A site like this is only as good as the polling data; polling data can vary as much as 3-4%. Multiple polls increase reliability, but never to more that 1-2%, and then only if all the polls trend the same way. Following the site's methodology, any State marked as "Barely" Democratic or Republican could flip on election day, depending on the difference between polling data and actual preferences.

  • Even good polling data can be bad. Pollsters often skew their data based on the past voting history of demographic groups. This tends to result in polls favoring Republicans for a number of solid historical reasons:

    • Older voters tend to be more reliable in their voting habits; pollsters, noting this fact, score older voters' preferences as having more weight. Older voters currently trend Republican.

    • Younger voters tend to be less reliable in the voting habits; following the logic above, younger voters - who trend Democratic - tend to be given less weight in determining poll results.

    • Hispanic voters - a key constituency in both 2008 and 2012 - behave and are treated in the same way as younger voters.
  • Turnout can overwhelm polling results. Polls may indicate that one candidate is ahead, but aberrant turnout (remarkably strong or remarkably weak) can alter election results by as much as 3-4% either way.

  • The advent of early voting has confronted pollsters with new patterns they may not fully understand:

    • Early voters tend to favor Democrats (younger and lower income voters tend to avail themselves of early voting more than other voter groups).

    • Some States have relaxed absentee voting rules rather than embrace early voting; absentee voting tends to favor Republicans (older and higher income voters, as well as military personnel, tend to vote absentee more often; only disabled voters - generally a Democratic constituency - run the other way).

    • Sudden shifts in popularity won't be reflected in early voting; a late breaking gaffe, scandal, or key event can't change the vote of someone who's already cast their ballot. Consequently, some measure of "look-back" logic needs to be applied in considering the effects of early voting (more than usual, since early voting can often occur two weeks or more ahead of an election, depending on the State).
  • Most importantly of all, public opinion really does change in the course of the typical Presidential campaign. The shifts in polling in 2008 from September 15th- October 1st are a clear example of what happens when the voting public reevaluates its respective impression of the candidates before it.
So consider all of the forgoing when looking at polling data and following the "horse race".



Tanenbaum's site uses multiple polls to track outcomes. It does not use national polls, but rather State polls, since races are always determined at the State level (save for Congressional races, which operate at the District level). Non-partisan polls are used, although some "left-wing" and "right-wing" pollsters get their results included (including Rasmussen, which tends to favor Republicans). A look-back window is used to reduce "jitter".

Consequently, posting "The latest Rasmussen poll has Romney up by 4 nationwide!!!" isn't going to impress anybody (and certainly not me); what serious people look for in handicapping this sort of thing is sustained performance in multiple polls, not single poll results.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:40 pm

Here's today's map from Electoral-vote.com ("today" being April 25th, 2012):

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<correcting post in light of later comments>

As Tmutarakhan cogently notes below, this is simply a map showing the 2008 General Election results updated to show 2012 EV values; Tanenbaum hasn't yet begun to incorporate actual polling data yet.

Fortunately, we can go to RealClearPolitics.com and get actual data; having done that, we can then apply Tanenbaum's system to color the States (or at least guess at their coloring). From the web site:

What algorithm (formula) is used to compute the map?

In 2004, we ran three different algorithms. The main page just used the most recent poll. The second algorithm averaged three days' worth of polls using only the nonpartisan pollsters. The third one included a mathematical formula for predicting how undecided voters would break based on historical data. The second one was most stable and gave the best final result, so this time a slight variation of it is used: The most recent poll is always used, and, if any other polls were taken within a week of it, they are all averaged together. This method tends to give a more stable result, so the colors don't jump all over the place due to one unusual poll.

As for the color categories:

What do the terms "strong," "weak," and "barely" mean?

By definition, "strong" means support of 10% or more; "weak" means 5% to 9%, and "barely" means less than 5%. The states marked barely are statistical ties.

This is similar to the system used by RealClearPolitics.com, which averages several polls across a look-back window - although theirs appears to be arbitrarily longer (sometimes covering as much as two months); RealClearPolitics also uses the same polling margins to define its categories, save that it uses the terms "Solid X" in place of "Strong X", "Leaning X" in place of "Weak X", and lumps all states marked as "Barely X" as well as statistical ties together as "Toss-ups").

Unfortunately, I can't pull any of the maps from RealClearPolitics.com into this thread (they're generated using JavaScript), or even save copies of them for archival purposes. The best I can do is create (very) roughly similar maps at 270 to Win and link to them, for future viewing.



TO EVERYONE: Try and keep your comments to the horse race itself, rather than debating the (de)merits of the two candidates. It's O.K. to argue whose policies are really better for Hispanics, or women, or blue collar workers, and to talk about how getting that message across could help your favorite candidate (the way, for example, that Romney is trying to argue that young people should vote for him because he's the only one offering them a debt-free future [not that I believe that for an instant, of course - but it's the argument that counts]). I'd like to stick to political strategy and analysis here, and argue the issues in another thread - and, to that end, I'd like people to help me maintain that theme by urging that sidetracks go elsewhere.

Also, note that Tanenbaum does run analyses of the House and Senate races, too - although those usually don't begin until August (largely because the match-ups are still too unsettled this early in the year). As soon as those are up, I'll post them to this thread.




ADDENDUM: Discussions of political strategy are definitely welcome: The Veepstakes, possible "pivot" points, possible external issues (a/k/a "October Surprises"), all of that very definitely is part of the "horse race".

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:02 pm

I can't see Romneys chances improving as he continues to make an ass of himself here, there, and everywhere (his "raincoats" comment comes to mind), and the fact is that kids my age, by and large, love the president. He gets on twitter and The Daily Show, he speaks our language and, most importantly, he is capable of evoking emotion, something Robomney is horrible at which continues to bite him in the ass.
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Postby Forsakia » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:11 pm

I'm on Obama to win at evens and very comfortable with that price, would set the true odds at something a bit shorter than 1/2, just see him going backwards in a direct campaign.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:42 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:I can't see Romneys chances improving as he continues to make an ass of himself here, there, and everywhere (his "raincoats" comment comes to mind), and the fact is that kids my age, by and large, love the president. He gets on twitter and The Daily Show, he speaks our language and, most importantly, he is capable of evoking emotion, something Robomney is horrible at which continues to bite him in the ass.

The problems being now he no longer has to outcrazy other Republicans and the youth might like Obama, but they might not be charged up enough to vote. So it's a contest to see if apathetic youth or disenfranchised Republicans will show up.
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New England and The Maritimes wrote:I can't see Romneys chances improving as he continues to make an ass of himself here, there, and everywhere (his "raincoats" comment comes to mind), and the fact is that kids my age, by and large, love the president. He gets on twitter and The Daily Show, he speaks our language and, most importantly, he is capable of evoking emotion, something Robomney is horrible at which continues to bite him in the ass.

The problems being now he no longer has to outcrazy other Republicans and the youth might like Obama, but they might not be charged up enough to vote. So it's a contest to see if apathetic youth or disenfranchised Republicans will show up.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:32 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:I can't see Romneys chances improving as he continues to make an ass of himself here, there, and everywhere (his "raincoats" comment comes to mind), and the fact is that kids my age, by and large, love the president. He gets on twitter and The Daily Show, he speaks our language and, most importantly, he is capable of evoking emotion, something Robomney is horrible at which continues to bite him in the ass.

The problems being now he no longer has to outcrazy other Republicans and the youth might like Obama, but they might not be charged up enough to vote. So it's a contest to see if apathetic youth or disenfranchised Republicans will show up.

i assume thats why the president is hitting the student loan thing so hard. making it clear who young people need to vote for in order to advance their own interest is a good way to give them a reason to bother.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:41 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The problems being now he no longer has to outcrazy other Republicans and the youth might like Obama, but they might not be charged up enough to vote. So it's a contest to see if apathetic youth or disenfranchised Republicans will show up.

i assume thats why the president is hitting the student loan thing so hard. making it clear who young people need to vote for in order to advance their own interest is a good way to give them a reason to bother.

That's been the cynical commentary on it, but that rate is set to go up in July...maybe it's just time to address this as a problem before it's too late? I mean, yeah, he needs the youth vote but he also is still the president and still has to govern. Firing up a base that has a notoriously short attention span in spring for a fall election...this might actually be more governance than campaigning.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:46 pm

As a differently abled person, I find the title offensive.
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:51 pm

Ashmoria wrote:i assume thats why the president is hitting the student loan thing so hard. making it clear who young people need to vote for in order to advance their own interest is a good way to give them a reason to bother.


True, but on the other hand he's also vulnerable because of the sky-high unemployment rate among college graduates as well as the fact that the student loan situation itself is fundamentally broken; capping interest rates is ignoring the fundamental problem (if not making it worse), and $100,000 of debt at 3.4% isn't any better than $100,000 of debt at 6.8% if you're unemployed.

I'd say Romney's best chance would be to attack along those lines, especially the jobs aspect; alongside that, possibly advocating expansion of the student loan interest deduction to higher MAGI limits and/or creating a non-refundable credit in its place, with a possible refundable credit for low-income graduates and graduates in STEM fields. Right now, the deduction phases out after a MAGI of $60,000 (filing single) and is completely gone at $75,000; a doctor, for example, would likely have income higher than almost right out of medical school but would also have a massive amount of debt that would likely pose a greater burden than, say, someone with a BSBA making $40,000/yr.

On the other hand, Obama could hit back with current education-related incentives such as the American Opportunity Tax Credit/Lifetime Learning Credit (and/or propose something like this himself).
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Lackadaisical2 wrote:As a differently abled person, I find the title offensive.

I've always found 'differently abled' to be a little condescending and sort of playing into the myth of things like 'if you're blind, you get super hearing!' as it implies that the particular handicap has in fact given one a new ability. It's a handicap. I don't know that calling it that is a judgement on the person who has it unless the judgement is 'what's this guy's vertical like?'

But the closest thing to a handicap I have is colorblindness, so who am I to judge I don't have to be called shit and it's not the topic...but since you brought it up...
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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:27 pm

Yeeep. President dropped by my university yesterday. He talked some policy, but as my plcy teacher told me, it was ment to be more of a pep rally anyway.
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ASB, you are missing something really basic here. "Today's" map is just the 2008 results with the electoral votes changed to the reapportioned values. It does not actually tell us anything about the state of the 2012 race.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:02 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:As a differently abled person, I find the title offensive.

Obviously you're either a troll or know nothing about sports betting.

My bet (get it?) is on "troll".
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Tmutarakhan wrote:ASB, you are missing something really basic here. "Today's" map is just the 2008 results with the electoral votes changed to the reapportioned values. It does not actually tell us anything about the state of the 2012 race.

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Lackadaisical2 wrote:As a differently abled person, I find the title offensive.

Obviously you're either a troll or know nothing about sports betting.

My bet (get it?) is on "troll".

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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:48 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:ASB, you are missing something really basic here. "Today's" map is just the 2008 results with the electoral votes changed to the reapportioned values. It does not actually tell us anything about the state of the 2012 race.

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Damn, you're right; I missed Tanenbaum's opening comment back on September 15th, 2011, that he wasn't sure precisely when he'd start presenting polling data again, but that in the interim, he'd put up the 2008 results on the 2012 EV map. That said...

<checks available polling data at RealClearPolitics>

You know, current standings (as of April 25th) are actually still very close to what's shown above; in fact, checking RCP's Electoral College map (which shows Obama leading 227-170 with 11 States [totalling 141 EV's] marked as "toss-ups") and looking at the numbers in some detail, only one State (Indiana with its 11 EV's) is leaning the opposite way from how it ended up in 2008!

Several of the States have differing degrees of "lean" to them, however, so I'll still rewrite the 2nd post in accordance with my analysis of the numbers, adding in addition some further information on Tanenbaum's methodology.

All in all, though, I'm still going to say that things don't look good for Mittens...

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:54 am

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Tmutarakhan wrote:ASB, you are missing something really basic here. "Today's" map is just the 2008 results with the electoral votes changed to the reapportioned values. It does not actually tell us anything about the state of the 2012 race.

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Damn, you're right; I missed Tanenbaum's opening comment back on September 15th, 2011, that he wasn't sure precisely when he'd start presenting polling data again, but that in the interim, he'd put up the 2008 results on the 2012 EV map. That said...

<checks available polling data at RealClearPolitics>

You know, current standings (as of April 25th) are actually still very close to what's shown above; in fact, checking RCP's Electoral College map (which shows Obama leading 227-170 with 11 States [totalling 141 EV's] marked as "toss-ups") and looking at the numbers in some detail, only one State (Indiana with its 11 EV's) is leaning the opposite way from how it ended up in 2008!

Several of the States have differing degrees of "lean" to them, however, so I'll still rewrite the 2nd post in accordance with my analysis of the numbers, adding in addition some further information on Tanenbaum's methodology.

All in all, though, I'm still going to say that things don't look good for Mittens...

<post forthcoming>

You could have a look at Dave Leips' pages on 2012. Careful, though, he reverses the red/blue coloring everyone else uses, saying in a note, "Note, this site uses Blue for Republicans and Red for Democrats. I know that most media outlets have adopted the opposite color key in recent years (I started building the maps well before the recent "standard"). However, due to the sheer volume of maps on this site, changing them to match the media's recent color choices requires a significant investment in time. The colors are only a key to the candidates that win each state, county or municipality... there is no significance in the color representation for a given party."
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:03 pm

Electoral-vote.com Map (as of April 28th, 2012):

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Obama 290, Romney 215 (33 Undecided)



So, I wonder which nation is Andrew Tanenbaum's?

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Seriously, no sooner did I start to compile data that I could use to begin posting "corrections" to the "Votemaster's" map of April 25th (which Tmutarakhan correctly pointed out was just a map showing the final results from the 2008 General Election with 2012 Electoral Vote totals) when the first new map of the 2012 season - based on 2012 polling data - was posted to the site.

So let's compare it to the 2008 map, and then talk strategy from there. Here's the map showing the outcome of the last election:

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As stated earlier, if that election were run with the current Electoral Vote totals (and State allocation rules), Barack Obama would have beaten John McCain 358-180. The new map, published today, shows a narrower margin of victory for the President: Based on the most recent polling data, he's winning by a 290-215 count, with three States (Virginia, Colorado, and Arizona) too close to call (and thus their 33 EV's up in the air.

So let's compare the two maps and see what the two campaigns are facing on their way to the White House. We'll start with looking at how many States switched columns between April/May and November:

  • In the last two election cycles, only two States have swung from "Strong <X>" to "<Any> <Y>". Interestingly enough, both States moved from the Republican side to the Democratic side:

    • In 2004, Wisconsin (10 EV's) flipped from "Strong Republican" to "Barely Democratic".

    • In 2008, Florida (27 EV's) also flipped from "Strong Republicam" to "Barely Democratic".
  • In the last two election cycles, only four States have swung from "Weak <X>" to "<Any> <Y>". One of these States moved from Democratic to Republican; three moved from Republican to Democratic:

    • In 2004, Ohio (20 EV's) swung from "Weak Democratic" to "Barely Republican".

    • In 2008, Indiana (11 EV's) swung from "Weak Republican" to "Barely Democratic".

    • In 2008, Virginia (13 EV's) swung from "Weak Republican" to "Weak Democratic".

    • In 2008, Nevada (5 EV's) swung from "Weak Republican" to "Strong Democratic".
    Nevada's 2008 swing represents the largest change in either previous election cycle - a change of at least 15% from April to November.

  • In the last two election cycles, five States marked as "Barely <X>" have swung to "<Any> <Y>". Two have switched from Democratic to Republican; three have switched from Republican to Democratic:

    • In 2004, New Mexico (5 EV's) and Iowa (6 EV's) both switched from "Barely Democratic" to "Barely Republican".

    • In 2004, Michigan (17 EV's) switched from "Barely Republican" to "Barely Democratic".

    • In 2008, New Hampshire (4 EV's) switched from "Barely Republican" to "Weak Democratic".

    • In 2008, New Mexico (5 EV's) switched from "Barely Republican" to "Strong Democratic".
What these swings tell us is that, while even "Strong" States can swing, we shouldn't expect too many of them to do so. A total of five States moved from one column to the other in 2004; a total of six did so in 2008. That said, Republicans should take heart from the fact that in one election all six shifts went the same way, flipping a total of 65 EV's in the process (in the other election, three States went one way while two went the other, producing only a net shift of 4 EV's between the lot of them).

So keeping this in mind, let's look at the balance of States and EV's - first in just the "Strong" category, and then in the "Weak" and "Strong" categories combined. First, the "Strong" States only:

  • Obama holds a "strong" lead over Romney in 15 States and the District of Columbia, putting a total of 187 EV's in his column.

  • Romney holds a "strong" lead over Obama in 13 States, putting a total of 76 EV's in his column.

  • This leaves 22 States - with a total of 275 EV's - as potential "Battleground" States.
This split gives Obama a commanding lead, but not an insurmountable one.

Now add in the "Weak" States:

  • Obama holds a "weak" lead over Romney in another 5 States with 52 EV's; combined with his "Strong" States, this gives him 20 States and the District of Columbia, for a combined total of 239 EV's.

  • Romney holds a "weak" lead over Obama in another 8 States with 94 EV's; combined with his "Strong" States, this gives him 21 States, for a combined total of 170 EV's.

  • This leaves 9 States - with a total of 129 EV's - comprising the most intense "Battleground" States.
Ignoring for a moment the way these 9 "Intense Battleground" States currently lean, the interactive electoral map at 270 to Win indicates that there are 62 possible ways these 9 States can break: 39 of these combinations would give Barack Obama another four years in office; 19 would make Mitt Romney President; and 4 would result in a 269-269 tie (which would then be resolved in the most God-awful political battle in American history). Those numbers suggest that Obama holds is roughly a 2-1 favorite to win, which are good odds - but not insurmountable ones.

What's significant for Romney is that, barring a shift in the States we've already assigned (and a couple of such shifts are actually likely), virtually every winning combination he can possibly put together involves him capturing Florida. In contrast, Obama doesn't need Florida; winning it would simply be his most direct way to deliver a knockout punch.

The thing is, after winning Florida, Romney's next most significant State is Pennsylvania - which is something of a challenge, given that the policy choices, issues, and potential VP selections that could lock up Florida for the GOP won't necessarily help in Pennsylvania.

In contrast, Obama's easiest path to victory - again assuming no unexpected shifts - would be to nail down Michigan and Pennyslvania. Indeed, if you give Obama those two States alone (he is considered to be "barely" leading in both, BTW) and hand all the rest to Romney, Obama still wins the White House, 275-263.

Which is actually quite a stunning reversal from the way the electoral map looked just a dozen years ago.

When Gore and Kerry were running for the White House, no victory could possibly be realized without winning Iowa and then picking up one more State somewhere else in the Union; now, with Nevada having turned blue in the last few cycles and Latino voters overwhelming leaning Democratic, it's a whole new world. Other factors have helped bring this state of affairs about, of course - not the least of which is the virtual collapse of the GOP in the Northeast (to the point where even New Hampshire is really no longer in play). Instead of the Democrats having to figure out some way to play in the South and the Bible Belt, they can now essentially abandon the South - including even Florida if theY have to - and focus on winning in the Rust Belt and among Hispanic voters in the Mountain States.

And therein lies the great peril for Romney, as well as his greatest challenge.

Mitt Romney always planned to "pivot" into the General Election, but it's questionable as to whether there's really any "pivot" that can truly save him.

The Latino vote is the key to this. Many of the "Battleground" States - including some of the most "intense" of them - have large Hispanic populations. This is why the combination of the (currently) large "gender gap" and Romney's stunning unpopularity among Latinos is so telling: He will certainly lose both constituencies, and can affording to lose one of the two very badly. He cannot, however, afford to lose both of these constituencies badly - which is currently seems poised to do.

This is why current speculation around the Romney campaign suggests that his first "pivot" will be on immigration reform; yet I have to express my skepticism that he can actually pull such a pivot off. Mitt Romney has embraced such extreme positions when it comes to this topic - at least in the eyes of Latino voters - that it is hard to see what he could do to repair the damage.

This suggests the possibility of a pivot on women's issues. Clearly, the Romney campaign is struggling to fight back against the Democratic narrative that it is waging a "War on Women"; it has tried to counter this claim by asserting that women should view the economy as their primary issue, and that Mittens is better for the economy than the Barack Ness Monster. The real question to be resolved here is how far that message can really carry them.

The "War on Women" is really a war on contraceptive rights; there are lots of other elements to it (especially from the perspective of liberal women), but among potential female swing voters that is the crucial issue. The ironic thing is that this is damage Mitt Romney brought upon himself by trying too hard to run away from his past endorsement and support for Planned Parenthood. To try and satisfy all-important pro-life bloc within the GOP, Romney has embraced positions that have hurt him badly among women (endorsement of Fetal Personhood, opposition to Title X, and agreement that Planned Parenthood itself should be defunded). Romney may not intend these positions to come across as anti-contraception stands, and yet that's how they're seen by huge numbers of women, and that is part of what's driving the larger-than-usual gender gap.

Of course, there are other shoes that can still drop here. Romney wants very dearly to try and make inroads among white male voters, especially in the Midwest. The problem is that Democrats have a potential third angle of attack on Mitt Romney that can strike at those voters. So long as Romney appears to only be endorsing the current Republican "War on Unions" w/re to the public sector, he doesn't face a crisis in the Rust Belt.

But if Democrats can successfully paint him as "anti-union" w/re to the private sector, then all bets are off: The white male clue-collar vote in the Rust Belt includes a great many union members, and those union members are generally split pretty evenly between Republicans and Democrats.

Mitt's record at Bain doesn't help him on this score; he clearly worked against unions on multiple occasions; he's also down on record as supporting national right-to-work legislation, as well as legislation aimed at making it impossible for unions to lobby Congress or the States, or make contributions to political campaigns . Nor do the positions of many of his fellow Republicans help him here, either; you have to wonder how many of them dream of repealing the Wagner Act altogether. The only question is whether or not Democrats will choose this line of attack.

Looking at the current political map, I think that they should. It's tempting to go down into Florida and make the GOP fight a life-and-death struggle for a State they absolutely have to win; but at the end of the day they can do that regardless of campaign theme (as a matter of fact, they may well be able to do the same thing in Texas and Georgia as well). Yet the direct approach - a campaign aimed at grabbing blue-collar pro-union voters in the Rust Belt (which also helps nail down Nevada, where a key Senate seat is in play) not only provides the Obama campaign with the clearest and easiest strategy for a win, but also opens up the potential for Democratic gains in Republican strongholds like Indiana and Missouri, as well as creating a clear rallying cry to mobilize voters for victories in State and Congressional races across the old industrial heartland.

The only question here is whether the Obama team will dare to take this approach. One of the continuing problems with the National Democratic Party is a lack of imagination; all too often, it can't shake itself of the "Beltway CW", which is hopelessly behind the curve in its thinking. Inside the Beltway, it's still the 1990's, and populism is toxic; unions are to be given lip service and not much else. Barring something totally unexpected (see below), that's the one way I could see Obama losing this: By hewing too strongly to the sort of thinking that has kept him from embracing the unions as strongly as he promised to back when he ran for the White House in '08.



It's a long way to November; just as the 2008 race swung wildly both ways (from even in March, 2008 to Obama leading strongly in June 2008, to parity in early September, 2008, to blowout on Election Day), we're likely to see this race move around quite a lot.

That said, keep in mind how much the final result of the November, 2008 election hinged on outside events: The market meltdown of September, 2008 changed everyone's perceptions of what the election was all about ("Game Change", indeed!), and in unexpected ways (who could have predicted that the voters would end up seeing the young, inexperienced junior Senator from Illinois as the better man to deal with the economy than the longtime, senior Senator from Arizona?!?). This election could still hinge - indeed, probably will hinge - on something nobody expects (or maybe something that some people see as marginally possible, but that most of us do not foresee) happening between now and November 6th.
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:25 pm

I just don't see Romney pulling this one out, with lukewarm support in his own party he'll have to "rally the base" ala John McCain, which is the opposite of what he needs to do, considering that the argument of "The rich are too burdened" and "Businesses are hurting too!" just won't fly when those businesses aren't hiring, and the income gap is widening.

All of Romney's "Points" are anathema to anyone who didn't vote for McCain last time around, and in order to win, you've got to win more votes than him, considering he lost.

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Romney's strategy for the general election: since he'll have gotten tired of alienating women, minorities, and the young, he will pivot and start alienating older white males.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Tue May 01, 2012 12:17 am

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Ashmoria wrote:i assume thats why the president is hitting the student loan thing so hard. making it clear who young people need to vote for in order to advance their own interest is a good way to give them a reason to bother.


True, but on the other hand he's also vulnerable because of the sky-high unemployment rate among college graduates as well as the fact that the student loan situation itself is fundamentally broken; capping interest rates is ignoring the fundamental problem (if not making it worse), and $100,000 of debt at 3.4% isn't any better than $100,000 of debt at 6.8% if you're unemployed.

I'd say Romney's best chance would be to attack along those lines, especially the jobs aspect; alongside that, possibly advocating expansion of the student loan interest deduction to higher MAGI limits and/or creating a non-refundable credit in its place, with a possible refundable credit for low-income graduates and graduates in STEM fields. Right now, the deduction phases out after a MAGI of $60,000 (filing single) and is completely gone at $75,000; a doctor, for example, would likely have income higher than almost right out of medical school but would also have a massive amount of debt that would likely pose a greater burden than, say, someone with a BSBA making $40,000/yr.

On the other hand, Obama could hit back with current education-related incentives such as the American Opportunity Tax Credit/Lifetime Learning Credit (and/or propose something like this himself).


I think hammering the 'jobs' aspect too hard would be a terrible mistake for the Republican campaign. After the 'JOBS JOBS JOBS' fiasco of the Tea Party, trotting that line out again would just be asking for the Democrats to roll out a counter-campaign showing the actual voting record of the Republican/Tea Party types in regards to 'JOBS JOBS JOBS'.

I just don't see the Republicans winning. Obama may have alienated the more ambitious progressive elements, but the Republicans have alienated everybody who isn't borderline crimson. I don't see them swinging the party political pendulum back in time for them to appeal much to the moderate crowd, not without angering their new base to the point of shattering the party.

Not that that would necessarily be a bad thing. A shiny new, more moderate, Republican party could do good things.
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Re: Romney-Obama: Handicapping the Race

Postby Alien Space Bats » Fri May 04, 2012 10:11 am

Electoral-vote.com Map (as of May 3rd, 2012)

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Obama 303, Romney 215 (20 Undecided)



I know, it doesn't look a lot different from the previous map, but bear with me; there are differences.

Let's start with the good news for Romney: A May 1st poll by Quinnipiac shows Obama leading Romney in Ohio by only 2%. Quinnipaic is pretty good at this stuff, and the previous 5% lead was the product of three polls being averaged (FOX News, Rasmussen, and Purple State), so I'm thinking that the current status - "Barely Democratic" is closer to the truth at this point (even if Rasmussen is usually biased towards Republicans, just like PPP is biased is usually towards Democrats). So Ohio is definitely in play for Romney, and that's good for him.

Now the bad news for Romney, in two parts.

First, that's all the good news.

Second, he's slipping in several other key places.

The first - and obvious - slides are in Virginia and Pennsylvania. Virginia was marked as "Exactly Tied" based on the average of two polls (one by Rasmussen and one by Purple State); now, two new polls (by the Washington Post and PPP) show Obama up 7%. Since Rasmussen usually gives Republicans an edge and PPP usually does the same for Democrats, the "swing" shown on the map (to "Weak Democratic") is probably overstated; but take all four polls together, and Obama probably has a 3-5% lead here in reality (actually, if you look at the exact polling numbers, PPP has Obama up by 8% with a 3.8% margin of error, so that pretty much tells you Virginia really is leaning at least "Barely Democratic" right now).

Pennsylvania may be far worse news. The initial map marked in "Barely Democratic" based on two polls (Muhlenberg and Quinnipiac) that were almost a month old; given that these polls were taken during the run-up to the GOP Pennsylvania primary, as Romney ad money was pouring into the State (and without a counterbalancing effort by Obama), the change a month later has got to be troubling for Romney: Quinnipiac's May 1st poll is showing Obama up 8%, moving this State to "Weak Democratic" from "Barely Democratic".

There's less visible bad news in two other places: A Marquette Law School poll shows Obama up by 9% in Wisconsin, a 3% change from the PPP poll taken at the middle of last month. That could be a spin-off from the Walker recall race, which is also tightening, but it still doesn't bode well.

Worse is Obama's 9% lead in Nevada, which is the average of two polls (one by Rasmussen and one by PPP, which effectively means their respective biases probably cancel each other). This makes the 8% lead from last month's PPP poll look less suspicious; it also suggests that Nevada is slipping out of Romney's grasp, and he can't afford that.

Even worse still is Obama's widening lead in North Carolina, where a SurveyUSA poll shows him with a 4% lead; his previous 2% lead was the result of another Rasmussen-PPP average, so this could be a genuine movement - and not one that helps Romney.

Finally, Florida has tightened up dangerously for Romney: It was leaning Republican by 2% based on two polls (Rasmussen and Purple State); it's now at 1% based on the replacement of the Purple State poll with a new one by Quinnipiac. If that Rasmussen poll has the usual bias, that could mean that Florida is actually a tie (or worse).

None of this changes the "Big Picture" for the two candidates, but it does confirm a couple of things I said earlier:

  • A pro-labor "Rust Belt" strategy is looking more and more like the right one for Obama. With Ohio and Pennsylvania wavering between "Barely Democratic" and "Weak Democratic" (and Michigan probably doing the same), such a strategy represents the easiest path to victory for the Democrats. Better still, it hammers down Wisconsin and Nevada (where mobilization of Las Vegas' massive Cullinary Workers' Union is central to Democratic hopes, both for Obama and in the U.S. Senate).

    Such a "Rust Belt" strategy has, as I stated earlier, the additional advantage of not stepping all over Obama's other efforts - namely, the effort to mobilize Latinos and the effort to mobilize women. The only possible drawback it might have lies in weak support for unions among younger voters; but then again, if support for younger voters can be couched in other ways (and support for labor stated in carefully nuanced terms), that might not be a significant problem.

  • Romney still faces the problem of trying to mobilize disparate groups whose interests may not cleanly coincide with one another. Recent talk (in the last few days) has been of an "Ohio-Florida" strategy (which could quickly become a "Pennsylvania-Florida" strategy or a "Ohio-Pennsylvania-Florida" strategy). The problem with that approach, as I said earlier, comes in thematically linking the two efforts. You can craft a set of policies and themes that play well in Ohio (and Pennsylvania, and Michigan, and Indiana, and Wisconsin), and you can craft a set of policies and themes that play well in Florida (and possibly Arizona), but doing so simultaneously runs the risk of inducing political schizophrenia.
Yet this week's map reveals some new problems for Mittens:

  • If Romney can't break into the "Rust Belt" in a big way - or pry Nevada out of Democratic hands - then he has to take both Virginia and North Carolina. As I demonstrated last week (and as a trip to 270-to-Win confirms), giving Obama the "Kerry States" plus Nevada and New Mexico only gives Romney a win if he takes everything else, including both Virginia and North Carolina. As the polling above indicates, most of the potential takeaways Romney has in the "Kerry States" outside the "Rust Belt" are slipping away from him; current polling is showing him trailing in Wisconsin, New Jersey, New Hampshire, and Maine by 9% (or more) - and fading. He's also fading in Nevada and trailing badly in New Mexico, so an "Indiana +1" Strategy (i.e., take Indiana and one of the three biggest prizes in the "Rust Belt" - Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Michigan) leaves him no room for any Obama takeaways anywhere else - such as in the Middle Atlantic or in Florida.

    This is going to be a problem for Romney. He will have tons of money, but not a lot of organization on the ground. He wants to use that money to carpet-bomb Obama in the States he needs to take the White House, but if he has to secure his base (both in the broader sense of gesturing to the far right and in the narrower sense of fighting for must-win States like Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Arizona, Colorado, and Missouri), that's going to reduce his available time, energy, and resources for the States that really matter.

  • Virginia is particularly troubling in this light because it represents a kind of bell-weather. Obama is doing as well as he is there because Virginia's economy is the best in the country; it's a mark of what Romney has in store for him if the economy continues to recover. Right now, what Mitt needs more than anything else is bad economic news.

    In many ways, the dynamic here is similar to what we saw in 1984, when a controversial and "divisive" President with extraordinary communications skills faced a wooden challenger who was deeply flawed; in that year, unemployment was still 7.7% in April, but gradually fell to 7.2% by November.

    Republicans reading this will be scandalized by the mere thought that Obama's position could be similar to Reagan's - or, for that matter, that anything about Obama could in any way resemble anything at all about their great hero. Nonetheless, the parallels between this year's campaign and that one are far too numerous to ignore.


Tanenbaum has now opened the Senate section of his site, but the data provided is not new. The map below shows 2006 results - and that was a banner year for Democrats.

Still, it's a valuable map to look at, in so far as it shows where Senate seats are in play. In places like Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri, Indiana, Virginia, and Florida, where both a Senate seat and the Presidency may be at stake, expect campaigning to reach a fever pitch: The opportunity for synergy between a successful Presidential campaign and a successful State campaign is always something smart political operators seek.

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You'll see this map again as soon as the real numbers start showing up.
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