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Shanix
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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:17 am

Aquitayne wrote:
Shanix wrote:If you want to sacrifice your economy and people, be my guest.
Makes it that easier to murder you :D


Agreed. Won't affect me in the slightest.

Hey Aquitayne. Want to be allies in the timeskip? :D
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Postby Aquitayne » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:19 am

Shanix wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
Agreed. Won't affect me in the slightest.

Hey Aquitayne. Want to be allies in the timeskip? :D


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Postby Mesoland » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:19 am

Shanix wrote:Hey Meso, can you take Oklahoma, so I can get Florida? I mean, it'd be hard to control with me in the way.


Meh, OK. I was looking forward to controlling an enclave, but I guess that that's easier.

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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:24 am

Aquitayne wrote:
Shanix wrote:Hey Aquitayne. Want to be allies in the timeskip? :D


Where art thou empire located?

East Coast. NC to Florida.

Mesoland wrote:
Shanix wrote:Hey Meso, can you take Oklahoma, so I can get Florida? I mean, it'd be hard to control with me in the way.


Meh, OK. I was looking forward to controlling an enclave, but I guess that that's easier.

It's just a logistical thing man. I mean, you can have quasi-control of it, but in the end, it's mine.
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Postby Aquitayne » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:27 am

Shanix wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
Where art thou empire located?

East Coast. NC to Florida.


Indeed. Our empires shall unite!!!!
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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:30 am

Aquitayne wrote:
Shanix wrote:East Coast. NC to Florida.


Indeed. Our empires shall unite!!!!

Huzzah!
By the way. No one else gets in. We don't want another IF/UFoN because...we said it dissolved.
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Postby Mesoland » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:30 am

Shanix wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
Where art thou empire located?

East Coast. NC to Florida.

Mesoland wrote:
Meh, OK. I was looking forward to controlling an enclave, but I guess that that's easier.

It's just a logistical thing man. I mean, you can have quasi-control of it, but in the end, it's mine.


Thanks. We could sort of do a joint partnership thing, because I want some Atlantic Ocean, and Florida was that!!! I've posted the empire list on the OP. Needs an update for map, and also needs the claims from Tashkveny, Vitius and Mexico.
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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:33 am

Mesoland wrote:Thanks. We could sort of do a joint partnership thing, because I want some Atlantic Ocean, and Florida was that!!! I've posted the empire list on the OP. Needs an update for map, and also needs the claims from Tashkveny, Vitius and Mexico.

Caleb *shifts through pockets*...Caleb is usually good at that...I can give it another shot.
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Postby Aquitayne » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:43 am

Shanix wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
Indeed. Our empires shall unite!!!!

Huzzah!
By the way. No one else gets in. We don't want another IF/UFoN because...we said it dissolved.


So let it be written, so let it be done.

*BOOOIIIIIIIIINNNNNGGGGGGGG*
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Postby Mesoland » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:01 am

Do ya'll think that we should start a new RP thread, seeming that almost all of page 35 just got raped by OOC?

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Postby Aquitayne » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:20 am

Mesoland wrote:Do ya'll think that we should start a new RP thread, seeming that almost all of page 35 just got raped by OOC?


Hell no!!! We have 34 good pages of RP!!! Why would you want to have that go to waste? Think of the page as footnotes. Like George Lucas when he wrote the Star Wars series, it was all one giant movie, but FOX made him break it up because it was too long. But no more!!! We must have one long ass RP!!!!
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Duderology - The Study of Duder.
16:08 GHawkins I continue to be amazed by Aq's ability to fuck up his own name.

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Postby Mesoland » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:21 am

Aquitayne wrote:
Mesoland wrote:Do ya'll think that we should start a new RP thread, seeming that almost all of page 35 just got raped by OOC?


Hell no!!! We have 34 good pages of RP!!! Why would you want to have that go to waste? Think of the page as footnotes. Like George Lucas when he wrote the Star Wars series, it was all one giant movie, but FOX made him break it up because it was too long. But no more!!! We must have one long ass RP!!!!


OK!!!!!! I got that one clearly! No new RP. But seriously, we need to stop OOCing and start RPing

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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:24 am

Mesoland wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
Hell no!!! We have 34 good pages of RP!!! Why would you want to have that go to waste? Think of the page as footnotes. Like George Lucas when he wrote the Star Wars series, it was all one giant movie, but FOX made him break it up because it was too long. But no more!!! We must have one long ass RP!!!!


OK!!!!!! I got that one clearly! No new RP. But seriously, we need to stop OOCing and start RPing

Agreed
Lets start this tomorrow morning though, I have to head to bed.
By the way, what do you guys think: http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/282460_2349685586462_1379778053_2830992_6059344_n.jpg
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Postby Mesoland » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:26 am

Shanix wrote:
Mesoland wrote:
OK!!!!!! I got that one clearly! No new RP. But seriously, we need to stop OOCing and start RPing

Agreed
Lets start this tomorrow morning though, I have to head to bed.
By the way, what do you guys think: http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/282460_2349685586462_1379778053_2830992_6059344_n.jpg


Not quite right. Cyborg Holland took New Mexico as well, and Florida is under joint control between me and you.

And bedtime? It's not bedtime yet! Not for, like, hours!!!!!
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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:36 am

Mesoland wrote:
Shanix wrote:Agreed
Lets start this tomorrow morning though, I have to head to bed.
By the way, what do you guys think: http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/282460_2349685586462_1379778053_2830992_6059344_n.jpg


Not quite right. Cyborg Holland took New Mexico as well, and Florida is under joint control between me and you.

And bedtime? It's not bedtime yet! Not for, like, hours!!!!!

Meso.
I woke up at 1 in the fucking morning.
I am very tired.
I have applications to write, posts to make, and I need time without interruption to do it. Which means bed time between 3PM and 11PM
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Postby Mesoland » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:57 am

Shanix wrote:
Mesoland wrote:
Not quite right. Cyborg Holland took New Mexico as well, and Florida is under joint control between me and you.

And bedtime? It's not bedtime yet! Not for, like, hours!!!!!

Meso.
I woke up at 1 in the fucking morning.
I am very tired.
I have applications to write, posts to make, and I need time without interruption to do it. Which means bed time between 3PM and 11PM


Piffle. M'kay... I'll get the map up ASAP.

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Postby Calmerica » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:35 pm

Shanix wrote:
Calmerica wrote:Actually, it would probably be state borders. Borders are there for a reason, and associated with landmarks, culture, politics, etc. The borders would probably never change.

Although, I could remove state lines to show each nation as well... a nation rather than collection of states.


Yeah, but we've turned into empires looking out for ourselves. Borders don't matter that much anymore, do they?

We're not empires. Its just new nations. Empires will never exist in the US, the political ideology is just too far off. Borders are important for a lot of reasons and there is a reason they don't change. Most follow physical features in the States anyway, so it's silly to move them. Yes, states could be merged, like I mentioned, but the borders of states rarely, rarely have ever changed with good reason. I'm not sure the cities you're just signing off will appreciate the move - hell, there's protests when county lines change. Can you even imagine if they just got sold off? If we want to because its NS and lulzy, then fine, its just not realistic.
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Postby Calmerica » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:41 pm

Oh, I can do the map thing any way the group wants... those ones are kind of small. If you want, I can link the blank source map here too.

We could do something interesting, here's an idea:

War with Mexico. Before the Tennessee War (and whatever you guys are doing with Florida), this could be what drives us apart. Some nations vote war, some vote no... illegal immigration is through the roof, rioting everywhere, drugs galore, WHAT. CAN. BE. DONE. Mexican government at odds with America... we send in troops. OOH RAH. Another thing we never did, mainly because, I know, its just an F7, but still - the UN. NATO. Organizations like that - what happens to these new nations? America was involved in a LOT of organizations. Do we all apply as separate ententes? If that happened they'd intervene in our wars, which could be a pain in the ass or really cool.

Just some thoughts, making it more realistic.
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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:12 pm

Calmerica wrote:
Shanix wrote:
Yeah, but we've turned into empires looking out for ourselves. Borders don't matter that much anymore, do they?

We're not empires. Its just new nations. Empires will never exist in the US, the political ideology is just too far off. Borders are important for a lot of reasons and there is a reason they don't change. Most follow physical features in the States anyway, so it's silly to move them. Yes, states could be merged, like I mentioned, but the borders of states rarely, rarely have ever changed with good reason. I'm not sure the cities you're just signing off will appreciate the move - hell, there's protests when county lines change. Can you even imagine if they just got sold off? If we want to because its NS and lulzy, then fine, its just not realistic.

Caleb....there are a lot of people like me in this country that would think the same way if they ruled a country based in the old US. Look at the Romans. Screw borders, they took everything. Look at Germany. They obviously gave not one f*** about borders.

Calmerica wrote:Oh, I can do the map thing any way the group wants... those ones are kind of small. If you want, I can link the blank source map here too.

We could do something interesting, here's an idea:

War with Mexico. Before the Tennessee War (and whatever you guys are doing with Florida), this could be what drives us apart. Some nations vote war, some vote no... illegal immigration is through the roof, rioting everywhere, drugs galore, WHAT. CAN. BE. DONE. Mexican government at odds with America... we send in troops. OOH RAH. Another thing we never did, mainly because, I know, its just an F7, but still - the UN. NATO. Organizations like that - what happens to these new nations? America was involved in a LOT of organizations. Do we all apply as separate ententes? If that happened they'd intervene in our wars, which could be a pain in the ass or really cool.

Just some thoughts, making it more realistic.

War with Mexico? Can dig it.
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Postby Calmerica » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:42 pm

Shanix wrote:
Calmerica wrote:We're not empires. Its just new nations. Empires will never exist in the US, the political ideology is just too far off. Borders are important for a lot of reasons and there is a reason they don't change. Most follow physical features in the States anyway, so it's silly to move them. Yes, states could be merged, like I mentioned, but the borders of states rarely, rarely have ever changed with good reason. I'm not sure the cities you're just signing off will appreciate the move - hell, there's protests when county lines change. Can you even imagine if they just got sold off? If we want to because its NS and lulzy, then fine, its just not realistic.

Caleb....there are a lot of people like me in this country that would think the same way if they ruled a country based in the old US. Look at the Romans. Screw borders, they took everything. Look at Germany. They obviously gave not one f*** about borders.

Calmerica wrote:Oh, I can do the map thing any way the group wants... those ones are kind of small. If you want, I can link the blank source map here too.

We could do something interesting, here's an idea:

War with Mexico. Before the Tennessee War (and whatever you guys are doing with Florida), this could be what drives us apart. Some nations vote war, some vote no... illegal immigration is through the roof, rioting everywhere, drugs galore, WHAT. CAN. BE. DONE. Mexican government at odds with America... we send in troops. OOH RAH. Another thing we never did, mainly because, I know, its just an F7, but still - the UN. NATO. Organizations like that - what happens to these new nations? America was involved in a LOT of organizations. Do we all apply as separate ententes? If that happened they'd intervene in our wars, which could be a pain in the ass or really cool.

Just some thoughts, making it more realistic.

War with Mexico? Can dig it.

You know lots and lots of Americans eh? The point is political leaders would take control and normalize things as much as possible. So much bureaucratic bullshit that even if borders wanted to change, they never would. Really, things would probably stay exactly the same, the UN would frak everything up, and NATO would bomb the states who don't oblige to their commands.

Lets go bomb those brownskins 8)
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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:43 pm

Calmerica wrote:
Shanix wrote:Caleb....there are a lot of people like me in this country that would think the same way if they ruled a country based in the old US. Look at the Romans. Screw borders, they took everything. Look at Germany. They obviously gave not one f*** about borders.


War with Mexico? Can dig it.

You know lots and lots of Americans eh? The point is political leaders would take control and normalize things as much as possible. So much bureaucratic bullshit that even if borders wanted to change, they never would. Really, things would probably stay exactly the same, the UN would frak everything up, and NATO would bomb the states who don't oblige to their commands.

Lets go bomb those brownskins 8)

WE MUST BAND TOGETHER TO FIGHT THIS OUTSIDE MENACE!
We shall form a coalition of Empire-States, and fight away this force. We shall call ourselves...
The "United Empires of America"

But yes, I know several different minds of several different Americans, and a majority of them (~28%) think like that.
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Postby Tashkveny » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:53 pm

Yeah, what states am I getting, cause I wanna start RP'ing soon!
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Postby Shanix » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:58 pm

Tashkveny wrote:Yeah, what states am I getting, cause I wanna start RP'ing soon!

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