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Postby Homosexy » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:54 pm

Fuck advanced calculus.

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Postby Dagnia » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:58 pm

Miserable (fortunately it is only physical, emotionally I am more or less content). I am having a really bad case of fall allergies.
Wait an hour, and it will be now again

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:59 pm

Indeos wrote:It's (dictatorship) bad for the people but not necessarily bad for the country. I believe it can be done successfully, but it requires the right ideology and leader.

A country is nothing more than a group of people inhabiting a patch of land. By harming the people, you harm the nation. Dictatorship is never good for a country, and it inevitably leads to awful conditions for the masses, etcetera.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:59 pm

Homosexy wrote:Fuck advanced calculus.

Don't get a paper cut.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:02 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Indeos wrote:It's (dictatorship) bad for the people but not necessarily bad for the country. I believe it can be done successfully, but it requires the right ideology and leader.

A country is nothing more than a group of people inhabiting a patch of land. By harming the people, you harm the nation. Dictatorship is never good for a country, and it inevitably leads to awful conditions for the masses, etcetera.


Obviously, a dictatorship devoted to social freedom and economic strength would be horrible. The dictatorship you lived under was shit, and most dictatorships have been shit, but it's got way too many negative connotations that are in no way inherent to the system. Bias, thy name is Vladislav.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:04 am

Indeos wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:A country is nothing more than a group of people inhabiting a patch of land. By harming the people, you harm the nation. Dictatorship is never good for a country, and it inevitably leads to awful conditions for the masses, etcetera.


Obviously, a dictatorship devoted to social freedom and economic strength would be horrible. The dictatorship you lived under was shit, and most dictatorships have been shit, but it's got way too many negative connotations that are in no way inherent to the system. Bias, thy name is Vladislav.

If you can honestly point me in the direction of a free and open dictatorship, do so.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:04 am

Indeos wrote:Obviously, a dictatorship devoted to social freedom and economic strength would be horrible. The dictatorship you lived under was shit, and most dictatorships have been shit, but it's got way too many negative connotations that are in no way inherent to the system. Bias, thy name is Vladislav.

Give an example of a good dictatorship?

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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:05 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Obviously, a dictatorship devoted to social freedom and economic strength would be horrible. The dictatorship you lived under was shit, and most dictatorships have been shit, but it's got way too many negative connotations that are in no way inherent to the system. Bias, thy name is Vladislav.

If you can honestly point me in the direction of a free and open dictatorship, do so.


Did I say any existed, or ever have existed? I'm not arguing past examples, I'm arguing theory.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:07 am

Indeos wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If you can honestly point me in the direction of a free and open dictatorship, do so.


Did I say any existed, or ever have existed? I'm not arguing past examples, I'm arguing theory.

Exactly. Every dictatorship has ended poorly because they are designed to end poorly. You can't concentrate power into the hands of an absolute few without expecting bad things to happen.

For all its faults, I'll stick to my democracy.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:08 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Did I say any existed, or ever have existed? I'm not arguing past examples, I'm arguing theory.

Exactly. Every dictatorship has ended poorly because they are designed to end poorly. You can't concentrate power into the hands of an absolute few without expecting bad things to happen.

For all its faults, I'll stick to my democracy.


I know it wouldn't be perfect, but in theory it can be superior to democracy. It's ended badly in the past largely because the kinds of people who've created dictatorships aren't really the kinds of people you want running dictatorships.
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Postby Arsenolia » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:12 am

i'm lost
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:14 am

Indeos wrote:I know it wouldn't be perfect, but in theory it can be superior to democracy. It's ended badly in the past largely because the kinds of people who've created dictatorships aren't really the kinds of people you want running dictatorships.

To be frank, the idea of giving anyone that much power over millions of lives will never end well.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:16 am

Indeos wrote:I know it wouldn't be perfect, but in theory it can be superior to democracy. It's ended badly in the past largely because the kinds of people who've created dictatorships aren't really the kinds of people you want running dictatorships.

Collectivism is superior to everything.

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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:17 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Indeos wrote:I know it wouldn't be perfect, but in theory it can be superior to democracy. It's ended badly in the past largely because the kinds of people who've created dictatorships aren't really the kinds of people you want running dictatorships.

To be frank, the idea of giving anyone that much power over millions of lives will never end well.


It all depends on the person. Perhaps the sort of exceptional dictator I'm imagining can't exist, but until that's proven it's a valid theory. And it'll probably remain a valid theory even after that, since there are far too many possibilities for it to be entirely impossible. Unlikely, most definitely, but not impossible.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:19 am

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Indeos wrote:I know it wouldn't be perfect, but in theory it can be superior to democracy. It's ended badly in the past largely because the kinds of people who've created dictatorships aren't really the kinds of people you want running dictatorships.

Collectivism is superior to everything.

It's Christmas time and Santa drops his gifts around the nation,
I want some agricultural collectivization.
There's nothing stirring in the house,
It's quiet and quiet all night.
And if we're lucky when wake up,
All the workers will unite!

'Cause it's a red star up on the Christmas tree.
A hammer for you,
And a sickle for me.
Good will to all of man,
Let's celebrate.
By purging the enemies of the State.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:20 am

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Indeos wrote:I know it wouldn't be perfect, but in theory it can be superior to democracy. It's ended badly in the past largely because the kinds of people who've created dictatorships aren't really the kinds of people you want running dictatorships.

Collectivism is superior to everything.


Fuck that. I like my selfish individual goals.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:21 am

Indeos wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:Collectivism is superior to everything.


Fuck that. I like my selfish individual goals.

Then dictatorship isn't for you.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:21 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Fuck that. I like my selfish individual goals.

Then dictatorship isn't for you.


The dictatorships that exist and have existed aren't, maybe. Though, in all honesty I could probably survive in just about any of them and be happy about it.
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:22 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:It's Christmas time and Santa drops his gifts around the nation,
I want some agricultural collectivization.
There's nothing stirring in the house,
It's quiet and quiet all night.
And if we're lucky when wake up,
All the workers will unite!

'Cause it's a red star up on the Christmas tree.
A hammer for you,
And a sickle for me.
Good will to all of man,
Let's celebrate.
By purging the enemies of the State.

Wrong type. Zeno's referring to the type we were discussing earlier.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:22 am

Indeos wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Then dictatorship isn't for you.


The dictatorships that exist and have existed aren't, maybe. Though, in all honesty I could probably survive in just about any of them and be happy about it.

Unlikely. A dictatorship is a slave state, and slave states are real downers.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:23 am

Indeos wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Then dictatorship isn't for you.


The dictatorships that exist and have existed aren't, maybe. Though, in all honesty I could probably survive in just about any of them and be happy about it.

Now you're just lying to yourself.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:23 am

Zeth Rekia wrote:Wrong type. Zeno's referring to the type we were discussing earlier.

I wouldn't refer to that as collectivization. Something along the lines of 'Synthetic Evolution Mass' or 'Singularization'.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:24 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Indeos wrote:
The dictatorships that exist and have existed aren't, maybe. Though, in all honesty I could probably survive in just about any of them and be happy about it.

Unlikely. A dictatorship is a slave state, and slave states are real downers.


I'd have a clear and easy goal, and likely be able to submit to the whole propaganda thing pretty easily. And again, bias and connotations. Dictatorship simply means that one person has all the power; it isn't a given that they'll restrict freedoms and shit.
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Postby Indeos » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:25 am

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Indeos wrote:
The dictatorships that exist and have existed aren't, maybe. Though, in all honesty I could probably survive in just about any of them and be happy about it.

Now you're just lying to yourself.


I think I know myself better than someone I'm tempted to describe as a mental case who only knows me through the internet does.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:25 am

Indeos wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Unlikely. A dictatorship is a slave state, and slave states are real downers.


I'd have a clear and easy goal, and likely be able to submit to the whole propaganda thing pretty easily. And again, bias and connotations. Dictatorship simply means that one person has all the power; it isn't a given that they'll restrict freedoms and shit.

It's all but a guarantee. In general, people aren't fans of being completely at the mercy of an autocrat. And propaganda is rarely effective in the long run.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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