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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:56 pm

Valluto wrote:I've finished a very basic Criminal Code. I'd like your opinions and suggestions on things that could be added or taken out.


Basic Criminal Code of Calaverde
| Author: Sebastien Canonge (Valluto, LDP) |
| Sponsors: (SPONSOR_ NATION, PARTY)

An act to establish a criminal code for the Republic of Calaverde




Article I-Altercations and Crime
A. Assault- unnecessary and unlawful employment or threat of employment of physical force against another individual, whether intended to result in injury or not.
i. Whoever commits an assault shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
B. Battery- the unnecessary and unlawful employment of physical force against another individual resulting in or intended to result in injury, whether with or without a weapon.
i. Whoever commits a battery shall be sentenced to not more than one hundred-eighty (180) days and be fined not more than $500.
C. Incitement of Violence- the encouragement by Person X to another party with the intent of inflicting physical harm on Person Y.
i. Whoever commits Incitement of Violence shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
D. Affray- whereby two persons engage in unlawful fighting.
i. Whoever commits Affray shall be sentenced to not more than thirty (30) days and fined not more than $200.
E. Harassment – the continued use of action against one party by another which causes a state of fear or unease.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $500.
F. Reckless Endangerment- an action taken or behavior adopted without regard to the impact of one’s actions on others, which could cause immediate and pressing concern for individual or public safety. This includes the operation of vehicles that are obviously unfit for road travel and unsafe operation of weapons, including but not limited to firearms.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200
G. Kidnapping – to extricate a person from a situation or location without their consent.
i. Whoever commits kidnapping shall be fined not more than $2,500 dollars and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits kidnapping where the victim is under the age of eighteen (18), or where the victim is incapacitated, temporarily or permanently, shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than ten (10) years.
H. Unlawful Imprisonment – keeping someone at a location against their will.
i. Whoever commits unlawful imprisonment shall be fined not more than $2,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article II-Loss of Property
A. Theft- the unlawful and non-consensual acquisition of property through means other than guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits theft of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months.
ii. Whoever commits theft of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years
iii. Whoever commits theft shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the theft.
B. Fraud – unlawful acquisition of property, capital, or favors, which would otherwise be non-consensual, through the use of guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits the crime of fraud shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
C. Vandalism – the wanton destruction or defacing of another individual’s or a state’s property.
i. Whoever commits the crime of vandalism shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
D. Arson – the deliberate or wrongful ignition of a fire which endangers or destroys property, life, or well-being, either of an individual or the state. Arson must be combined with Vandalism, Assault, Murder, Manslaughter, or any attempt thereof, if and only if one of those crimes are committed as a result of or in the process of Arson.
i. Whoever commits Arson of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
ii. Whoever commits Arson of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $15,000 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than four (4) years.
iii. Whoever commits Arson shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the arson.
E. Breaking and Entering- making entrance into a property through force when said entrance does not have the consent of the owner.
i. Whoever commits Breaking and Entering shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days.



Article III-Breach of the Peace
A. Unlawful Assembly- Where a group of people refuse to disperse after a Constable issues an order for their assembly to do so
i. Whoever commits Unlawful Assembly shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
B. Rioting- where a group of people, after and while committing Unlawful Assembly (IV.A.), is engaged in other illegal activities.
i. Whoever commits Rioting shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days
ii. The sanction prescribed in IV.B.i. shall be served in addition to, consecutively or concurrently, with any sanctions that may result from additional crimes committed while rioting.
iii. A defendant must be convicted of another crime in addition to Rioting.
C. Disorderly Conduct – consists of actions liable to cause Breach of the Peace while not in an unlawful assembly.
i. Whoever commits Disorderly Conduct shall be fined not more than $200 and will be imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.



Article IV-Loss of Life
Article IV – Loss of Life
A. Murder in the First Degree- the premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the First Degree shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifty (50) years without the possibility of parole.
B. Murder in the Second Degree- the impulsive, intentional, but not premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the Second Degree shall be fined not less than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years.
C. Manslaughter- the unintentional killing of a person by another person, including deaths where the killer was insane, permanently or otherwise, or in situations where it can be reasonably determined that the average person would have acted in the same manner.
i. Whoever commits Manslaughter shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than one (1) but not more than ten (10) years.
ii. If the Manslaughter was committed with a vehicle, then the defendant will have their appropriate vehicle license suspended for two (2) years immediately following the conclusion of their incarceration and/or probation.
D. Negligent Homicide- a manslaughter that could have been avoided has the defendant had performed any check or action mandated by implicit or explicit rules.
i. Whoever commits Negligent Homicide shall be fined not less than $500 and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
E. Criminal Neglect- the abandonment of any dependent individual, however long, which endangers the general well being of the dependent in question.
i. Whoever commits Criminal Neglect shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article V- Sexual Crimes
A. Sexual Harassment- repeated unsolicited communications of a sexual nature which causes a person to enter a state of discomfort.
i. Whoever commits sexual harassment shall be fined nor more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits sexual harassment where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
B. Sexual Assault- an unsolicited action of a sexual nature involving contact which causes a person to enter into a state of discomfort or fear
i. Whoever commits Sexual Assault shall be fined not less than $500 and not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than two (2) years.
ii. Whoever commits Sexual Assault where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than two (2) years and not more than ten (10) years.
C. Rape- non-consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people.
i. Whoever commits Rape shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifteen (15) years.
ii. Whoever commits Rape where a child is the victim shall be fined not less than $25,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years without the possibility of parole.
D. Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile- consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people where one person is under the age of eighteen (18) and the other is over eighteen (18) and at least twenty-seven (27) months older.
i. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile shall be fined not more than $500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile where the difference in age is greater than thirty-nine (39) months shall be fined not more than $1,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
iii. Ignorance of the victim’s age shall not be a valid defense.
E. Possession of Child Pornography- knowingly possessing pornographic materials that depict any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Possession of Child Pornography shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
F. Production/Distribution of Child Pornography- producing or distributing any pornographic material that depicts, knowingly or otherwise, any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Production/Distribution of Child Pornography shall be fined not less than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than six (6) months and not more than five (5) years.





Additional Notes

A. Complicity in...-is defined as knowledge of a crime before it is committed and not taking any action to prevent it, it can carry the same sanction as the crime itself, or a less severe sanction
B. Assisted... refers to taking action to aid the commission of a crime. It carries the same sanction as the crime itself.
C. Attempted... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crim, but not completing the act for external reasons. It carries the same sanction.
D.Intent to... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crime, but not initiating the acts for external reasons. It can carry the same or a lesser sanction as the crime.
E. Someone who cannot pay a fine or fines because they do not have the means cannot be handed one.





Looking nice so far but perhaps you could add some of the stuff Ainin's criminal code had in addition. :)

We should also probably ensure that we put limits on maximum sentences that judges can give overall, and ensure no judge issues the death penalty
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Postby Valluto » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:58 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Valluto wrote:I've finished a very basic Criminal Code. I'd like your opinions and suggestions on things that could be added or taken out.


Basic Criminal Code of Calaverde
| Author: Sebastien Canonge (Valluto, LDP) |
| Sponsors: (SPONSOR_ NATION, PARTY)

An act to establish a criminal code for the Republic of Calaverde




Article I-Altercations and Crime
A. Assault- unnecessary and unlawful employment or threat of employment of physical force against another individual, whether intended to result in injury or not.
i. Whoever commits an assault shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
B. Battery- the unnecessary and unlawful employment of physical force against another individual resulting in or intended to result in injury, whether with or without a weapon.
i. Whoever commits a battery shall be sentenced to not more than one hundred-eighty (180) days and be fined not more than $500.
C. Incitement of Violence- the encouragement by Person X to another party with the intent of inflicting physical harm on Person Y.
i. Whoever commits Incitement of Violence shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
D. Affray- whereby two persons engage in unlawful fighting.
i. Whoever commits Affray shall be sentenced to not more than thirty (30) days and fined not more than $200.
E. Harassment – the continued use of action against one party by another which causes a state of fear or unease.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $500.
F. Reckless Endangerment- an action taken or behavior adopted without regard to the impact of one’s actions on others, which could cause immediate and pressing concern for individual or public safety. This includes the operation of vehicles that are obviously unfit for road travel and unsafe operation of weapons, including but not limited to firearms.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200
G. Kidnapping – to extricate a person from a situation or location without their consent.
i. Whoever commits kidnapping shall be fined not more than $2,500 dollars and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits kidnapping where the victim is under the age of eighteen (18), or where the victim is incapacitated, temporarily or permanently, shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than ten (10) years.
H. Unlawful Imprisonment – keeping someone at a location against their will.
i. Whoever commits unlawful imprisonment shall be fined not more than $2,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article II-Loss of Property
A. Theft- the unlawful and non-consensual acquisition of property through means other than guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits theft of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months.
ii. Whoever commits theft of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years
iii. Whoever commits theft shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the theft.
B. Fraud – unlawful acquisition of property, capital, or favors, which would otherwise be non-consensual, through the use of guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits the crime of fraud shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
C. Vandalism – the wanton destruction or defacing of another individual’s or a state’s property.
i. Whoever commits the crime of vandalism shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
D. Arson – the deliberate or wrongful ignition of a fire which endangers or destroys property, life, or well-being, either of an individual or the state. Arson must be combined with Vandalism, Assault, Murder, Manslaughter, or any attempt thereof, if and only if one of those crimes are committed as a result of or in the process of Arson.
i. Whoever commits Arson of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
ii. Whoever commits Arson of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $15,000 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than four (4) years.
iii. Whoever commits Arson shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the arson.
E. Breaking and Entering- making entrance into a property through force when said entrance does not have the consent of the owner.
i. Whoever commits Breaking and Entering shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days.



Article III-Breach of the Peace
A. Unlawful Assembly- Where a group of people refuse to disperse after a Constable issues an order for their assembly to do so
i. Whoever commits Unlawful Assembly shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
B. Rioting- where a group of people, after and while committing Unlawful Assembly (IV.A.), is engaged in other illegal activities.
i. Whoever commits Rioting shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days
ii. The sanction prescribed in IV.B.i. shall be served in addition to, consecutively or concurrently, with any sanctions that may result from additional crimes committed while rioting.
iii. A defendant must be convicted of another crime in addition to Rioting.
C. Disorderly Conduct – consists of actions liable to cause Breach of the Peace while not in an unlawful assembly.
i. Whoever commits Disorderly Conduct shall be fined not more than $200 and will be imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.



Article IV-Loss of Life
Article IV – Loss of Life
A. Murder in the First Degree- the premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the First Degree shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifty (50) years without the possibility of parole.
B. Murder in the Second Degree- the impulsive, intentional, but not premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the Second Degree shall be fined not less than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years.
C. Manslaughter- the unintentional killing of a person by another person, including deaths where the killer was insane, permanently or otherwise, or in situations where it can be reasonably determined that the average person would have acted in the same manner.
i. Whoever commits Manslaughter shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than one (1) but not more than ten (10) years.
ii. If the Manslaughter was committed with a vehicle, then the defendant will have their appropriate vehicle license suspended for two (2) years immediately following the conclusion of their incarceration and/or probation.
D. Negligent Homicide- a manslaughter that could have been avoided has the defendant had performed any check or action mandated by implicit or explicit rules.
i. Whoever commits Negligent Homicide shall be fined not less than $500 and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
E. Criminal Neglect- the abandonment of any dependent individual, however long, which endangers the general well being of the dependent in question.
i. Whoever commits Criminal Neglect shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article V- Sexual Crimes
A. Sexual Harassment- repeated unsolicited communications of a sexual nature which causes a person to enter a state of discomfort.
i. Whoever commits sexual harassment shall be fined nor more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits sexual harassment where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
B. Sexual Assault- an unsolicited action of a sexual nature involving contact which causes a person to enter into a state of discomfort or fear
i. Whoever commits Sexual Assault shall be fined not less than $500 and not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than two (2) years.
ii. Whoever commits Sexual Assault where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than two (2) years and not more than ten (10) years.
C. Rape- non-consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people.
i. Whoever commits Rape shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifteen (15) years.
ii. Whoever commits Rape where a child is the victim shall be fined not less than $25,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years without the possibility of parole.
D. Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile- consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people where one person is under the age of eighteen (18) and the other is over eighteen (18) and at least twenty-seven (27) months older.
i. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile shall be fined not more than $500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile where the difference in age is greater than thirty-nine (39) months shall be fined not more than $1,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
iii. Ignorance of the victim’s age shall not be a valid defense.
E. Possession of Child Pornography- knowingly possessing pornographic materials that depict any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Possession of Child Pornography shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
F. Production/Distribution of Child Pornography- producing or distributing any pornographic material that depicts, knowingly or otherwise, any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Production/Distribution of Child Pornography shall be fined not less than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than six (6) months and not more than five (5) years.





Additional Notes

A. Complicity in...-is defined as knowledge of a crime before it is committed and not taking any action to prevent it, it can carry the same sanction as the crime itself, or a less severe sanction
B. Assisted... refers to taking action to aid the commission of a crime. It carries the same sanction as the crime itself.
C. Attempted... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crim, but not completing the act for external reasons. It carries the same sanction.
D.Intent to... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crime, but not initiating the acts for external reasons. It can carry the same or a lesser sanction as the crime.
E. Someone who cannot pay a fine or fines because they do not have the means cannot be handed one.





Looking nice so far but perhaps you could add some of the stuff Ainin's criminal code had in addition. :)


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Postby Valluto » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:14 pm

Valluto wrote:I've finished a very basic Criminal Code. I'd like your opinions and suggestions on things that could be added or taken out.


Basic Criminal Code of Calaverde
| Author: Sebastien Canonge (Valluto, LDP) |
| Sponsors: (SPONSOR_ NATION, PARTY)

An act to establish a criminal code for the Republic of Calaverde




Article I-Altercations and Crime
A. Assault- unnecessary and unlawful employment or threat of employment of physical force against another individual, whether intended to result in injury or not.
i. Whoever commits an assault shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
B. Battery- the unnecessary and unlawful employment of physical force against another individual resulting in or intended to result in injury, whether with or without a weapon.
i. Whoever commits a battery shall be sentenced to not more than one hundred-eighty (180) days and be fined not more than $500.
C. Incitement of Violence- the encouragement by Person X to another party with the intent of inflicting physical harm on Person Y.
i. Whoever commits Incitement of Violence shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
D. Affray- whereby two persons engage in unlawful fighting.
i. Whoever commits Affray shall be sentenced to not more than thirty (30) days and fined not more than $200.
E. Harassment – the continued use of action against one party by another which causes a state of fear or unease.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $500.
F. Reckless Endangerment- an action taken or behavior adopted without regard to the impact of one’s actions on others, which could cause immediate and pressing concern for individual or public safety. This includes the operation of vehicles that are obviously unfit for road travel and unsafe operation of weapons, including but not limited to firearms.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200
G. Kidnapping – to extricate a person from a situation or location without their consent.
i. Whoever commits kidnapping shall be fined not more than $2,500 dollars and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits kidnapping where the victim is under the age of eighteen (18), or where the victim is incapacitated, temporarily or permanently, shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than ten (10) years.
H. Unlawful Imprisonment – keeping someone at a location against their will.
i. Whoever commits unlawful imprisonment shall be fined not more than $2,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article II-Loss of Property
A. Theft- the unlawful and non-consensual acquisition of property through means other than guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits theft of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months.
ii. Whoever commits theft of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years
iii. Whoever commits theft shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the theft.
B. Fraud – unlawful acquisition of property, capital, or favors, which would otherwise be non-consensual, through the use of guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits the crime of fraud shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
C. Vandalism – the wanton destruction or defacing of another individual’s or a state’s property.
i. Whoever commits the crime of vandalism shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
D. Arson – the deliberate or wrongful ignition of a fire which endangers or destroys property, life, or well-being, either of an individual or the state. Arson must be combined with Vandalism, Assault, Murder, Manslaughter, or any attempt thereof, if and only if one of those crimes are committed as a result of or in the process of Arson.
i. Whoever commits Arson of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
ii. Whoever commits Arson of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $15,000 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than four (4) years.
iii. Whoever commits Arson shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the arson.
E. Breaking and Entering- making entrance into a property through force when said entrance does not have the consent of the owner.
i. Whoever commits Breaking and Entering shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days.
F. Robbery- unlawful acquisition of property without the consent of the owner by employment, or threat of employment, of force
i.Whoever commits robbery shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
ii.Whoever commits robbery while in possession of a deadly weapon shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for no more than ten (10) years,



Article III-Breach of the Peace
A. Unlawful Assembly- Where a group of people refuse to disperse after a Constable issues an order for their assembly to do so
i. Whoever commits Unlawful Assembly shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
B. Rioting- where a group of people, after and while committing Unlawful Assembly (IV.A.), is engaged in other illegal activities.
i. Whoever commits Rioting shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days
ii. The sanction prescribed in IV.B.i. shall be served in addition to, consecutively or concurrently, with any sanctions that may result from additional crimes committed while rioting.
iii. A defendant must be convicted of another crime in addition to Rioting.
C. Disorderly Conduct – consists of actions liable to cause Breach of the Peace while not in an unlawful assembly.
i. Whoever commits Disorderly Conduct shall be fined not more than $200 and will be imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
D. Terrorism- the commission of an illegal act with the intent of installing fear within the populace in order to advance a political or religious interest
i. Whoever commits Terrorism shall be fined no less than $10,000 dollars and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years.
E. Indecent Exposure- intentionally exposing one's nudity to another person or group of people in public.
i. Whoever commits Indecent Exposure shall be fined no more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
F. Public Intoxication- being in a public place, other than the immediate vicinity of a bar or other establishment that serves alcoholic beverages whilst obviously en route to a private place, while intoxicated and/or under the influence of any non-prescription drug.
i. Whoever commits Public Intoxication shall be fined no more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.



Article IV-Loss of Life
Article IV – Loss of Life
A. Murder in the First Degree- the premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the First Degree shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifty (50) years without the possibility of parole.
B. Murder in the Second Degree- the impulsive, intentional, but not premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the Second Degree shall be fined not less than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years.
C. Manslaughter- the unintentional killing of a person by another person, including deaths where the killer was insane, permanently or otherwise, or in situations where it can be reasonably determined that the average person would have acted in the same manner.
i. Whoever commits Manslaughter shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than one (1) but not more than ten (10) years.
ii. If the Manslaughter was committed with a vehicle, then the defendant will have their appropriate vehicle license suspended for two (2) years immediately following the conclusion of their incarceration and/or probation.
D. Negligent Homicide- a manslaughter that could have been avoided has the defendant had performed any check or action mandated by implicit or explicit rules.
i. Whoever commits Negligent Homicide shall be fined not less than $500 and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
E. Criminal Neglect- the abandonment of any dependent individual, however long, which endangers the general well being of the dependent in question.
i. Whoever commits Criminal Neglect shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article V- Sexual Crimes
A. Sexual Harassment- repeated unsolicited communications of a sexual nature which causes a person to enter a state of discomfort.
i. Whoever commits sexual harassment shall be fined nor more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits sexual harassment where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
B. Sexual Assault- an unsolicited action of a sexual nature involving contact which causes a person to enter into a state of discomfort or fear
i. Whoever commits Sexual Assault shall be fined not less than $500 and not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than two (2) years.
ii. Whoever commits Sexual Assault where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than two (2) years and not more than ten (10) years.
iii. Whoever commits sexual assault must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for ten (10) years following their release.
C. Rape- non-consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people.
i. Whoever commits Rape shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifteen (15) years.
ii. Whoever commits Rape where a child is the victim shall be fined not less than $25,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years without the possibility of parole.
iii. Whoever commits Rape must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for the rest of their natural life following their release.
D. Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile- consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people where one person is under the age of eighteen (18) and the other is over eighteen (18) and at least twenty-seven (27) months older.
i. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile shall be fined not more than $500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile where the difference in age is greater than thirty-nine (39) months shall be fined not more than $1,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
iii. Ignorance of the victim’s age shall not be a valid defense.
E. Possession of Child Pornography- knowingly possessing pornographic materials that depict any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Possession of Child Pornography shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
F. Production/Distribution of Child Pornography- producing or distributing any pornographic material that depicts, knowingly or otherwise, any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Production/Distribution of Child Pornography shall be fined not less than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than six (6) months and not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits roduction/Distribution of Child Pornography must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for ten (10) years following their release.
E. Exposing a Person to a Sexually Transmitted Disease without their Consent- knowingly and willingly engaging in sexual behavior with another person when knowingly infected with a Sexually Transmitted Disease without first informing said person
i. Whoever commits Exposing a Person to a Sexually Transmitted Disease without their Consent shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
F. Soliciting a Prostitute- knowingly and willingly soliciting or accepting the services of a prostitute or undercover officer posing as a prostitute
i. Whoever commits Soliciting a Prostitute shall be fined no more than $1,000 and imprisoned for no more than two (2) years.





Article VI- Crimes Against the People

A. Corruption- giving or offering to give anything of apparent present or prospective value to, or the accepting or offering to accept anything of apparent present or prospective value by, any person, with the intention that the recipient shall corruptly influence any public official of the Republic of Calaverde, anyone elected or appointed as a public official of the Republic of Calaverde, public employee, juror or witness in a legal or administrative preceding.
i. Whoever commits Corruption shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five(5) years,
B. Bribery- giving or offering to give, directly or indirectly, anything of apparent present or prospective value, with the intent to corruptly influence, to any public official of the Republic of Calaverde, anyone elected or appointed as a public official of the Republic of Calaverde, public employee, juror or witness in a legal or administrative preceding.
i.Whoever commits Bribery shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
C. Misappropriation- intentional usage of public funds or property for personal expenses, or for personal expenses of another person, by a public official.
i. Whoever commits Misappropriation shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.





Article VII- Offences of Law

A.Impersonation of a Public Official- falsely claiming to be an official of the Republic of Calaverde.
i. Whoever commits Impersonation of a Public Official shall be fined no more than $1,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than one (1) year.
B. Contempt of Court- deliberately misleading the Court, disobeying a subpoena, or violating court orders made by a judge in a manner that is contemptuous
i.Whoever commits Contempt of Court shall be fined no more than $200 and shall be imprisoned for no more than thirty (30) days.
ii. A judge may find an individual to be in contempt of court at their discretion
C. Contempt of the Senate- deliberately misleading the Senate, disobeying a subpoena, or violating orders made by the Speaker in a manner that is contemptuous
i.Whoever commits Contempt of the Senate shall be fined no more than $200 and shall be imprisoned for no more than thirty (30) days.
ii. The Speaker may find an individual to be in Contempt of the Senate if his finding is followed by eight (8) seconds.





Additional Notes

A. Complicity in...-is defined as knowledge of a crime before it is committed and not taking any action to prevent it, it can carry the same sanction as the crime itself, or a less severe sanction
B. Assisted... refers to taking action to aid the commission of a crime. It carries the same sanction as the crime itself.
C. Attempted... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crim, but not completing the act for external reasons. It carries the same sanction.
D.Intent to... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crime, but not initiating the acts for external reasons. It can carry the same or a lesser sanction as the crime.
E. Someone who cannot pay a fine or fines because they do not have the means cannot be handed one.
F. For minor crimes where the court believes that imprisonment is not the best option, it may sentence a defendant to reasonable and proportional community service instead.





I made some additions. Keep in mind this is not entirely comprehensive. I will be authoring additional criminal statutes regarding drugs and hate crimes, but I don't want them to be included in this particular legislation because they may hinder its passage. I ask for your continued criticism and eventually government support.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:20 pm

I'm not too sure how keen I am on the idea of mandatory minimum sentencing.
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Postby Lykens » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:21 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:I'm not too sure how keen I am on the idea of mandatory minimum sentencing.

I'm attempting to multitask, so I mostly skimmed, but I think I recall Valluto saying that he would put something in about Judges being able to suspend sentences.
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Postby Malgrave » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:26 pm

I can't agree with someone that includes mandatory minimums. It just sounds like such a backwards and regressive system to me.
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Valluto wrote:I've finished a very basic Criminal Code. I'd like your opinions and suggestions on things that could be added or taken out.


Basic Criminal Code of Calaverde
| Author: Sebastien Canonge (Valluto, LDP) |
| Sponsors: (SPONSOR_ NATION, PARTY)

An act to establish a criminal code for the Republic of Calaverde




Article I-Altercations and Crime
A. Assault- unnecessary and unlawful employment or threat of employment of physical force against another individual, whether intended to result in injury or not.
i. Whoever commits an assault shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
B. Battery- the unnecessary and unlawful employment of physical force against another individual resulting in or intended to result in injury, whether with or without a weapon.
i. Whoever commits a battery shall be sentenced to not more than one hundred-eighty (180) days and be fined not more than $500.
C. Incitement of Violence- the encouragement by Person X to another party with the intent of inflicting physical harm on Person Y.
i. Whoever commits Incitement of Violence shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
D. Affray- whereby two persons engage in unlawful fighting.
i. Whoever commits Affray shall be sentenced to not more than thirty (30) days and fined not more than $200.
E. Harassment – the continued use of action against one party by another which causes a state of fear or unease.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $500.
F. Reckless Endangerment- an action taken or behavior adopted without regard to the impact of one’s actions on others, which could cause immediate and pressing concern for individual or public safety. This includes the operation of vehicles that are obviously unfit for road travel and unsafe operation of weapons, including but not limited to firearms.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200
G. Kidnapping – to extricate a person from a situation or location without their consent.
i. Whoever commits kidnapping shall be fined not more than $2,500 dollars and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits kidnapping where the victim is under the age of eighteen (18), or where the victim is incapacitated, temporarily or permanently, shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than ten (10) years.
H. Unlawful Imprisonment – keeping someone at a location against their will.
i. Whoever commits unlawful imprisonment shall be fined not more than $2,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article II-Loss of Property
A. Theft- the unlawful and non-consensual acquisition of property through means other than guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits theft of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months.
ii. Whoever commits theft of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years
iii. Whoever commits theft shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the theft.
B. Fraud – unlawful acquisition of property, capital, or favors, which would otherwise be non-consensual, through the use of guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits the crime of fraud shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
C. Vandalism – the wanton destruction or defacing of another individual’s or a state’s property.
i. Whoever commits the crime of vandalism shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
D. Arson – the deliberate or wrongful ignition of a fire which endangers or destroys property, life, or well-being, either of an individual or the state. Arson must be combined with Vandalism, Assault, Murder, Manslaughter, or any attempt thereof, if and only if one of those crimes are committed as a result of or in the process of Arson.
i. Whoever commits Arson of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
ii. Whoever commits Arson of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $15,000 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than four (4) years.
iii. Whoever commits Arson shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the arson.
E. Breaking and Entering- making entrance into a property through force when said entrance does not have the consent of the owner.
i. Whoever commits Breaking and Entering shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days.
F. Robbery- unlawful acquisition of property without the consent of the owner by employment, or threat of employment, of force
i.Whoever commits robbery shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
ii.Whoever commits robbery while in possession of a deadly weapon shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for no more than ten (10) years,



Article III-Breach of the Peace
A. Unlawful Assembly- Where a group of people refuse to disperse after a Constable issues an order for their assembly to do so
i. Whoever commits Unlawful Assembly shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
B. Rioting- where a group of people, after and while committing Unlawful Assembly (IV.A.), is engaged in other illegal activities.
i. Whoever commits Rioting shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days
ii. The sanction prescribed in IV.B.i. shall be served in addition to, consecutively or concurrently, with any sanctions that may result from additional crimes committed while rioting.
iii. A defendant must be convicted of another crime in addition to Rioting.
C. Disorderly Conduct – consists of actions liable to cause Breach of the Peace while not in an unlawful assembly.
i. Whoever commits Disorderly Conduct shall be fined not more than $200 and will be imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
D. Terrorism- the commission of an illegal act with the intent of installing fear within the populace in order to advance a political or religious interest
i. Whoever commits Terrorism shall be fined no less than $10,000 dollars and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years.
E. Indecent Exposure- intentionally exposing one's nudity to another person or group of people in public.
i. Whoever commits Indecent Exposure shall be fined no more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
F. Public Intoxication- being in a public place, other than the immediate vicinity of a bar or other establishment that serves alcoholic beverages whilst obviously en route to a private place, while intoxicated and/or under the influence of any non-prescription drug.
i. Whoever commits Public Intoxication shall be fined no more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.



Article IV-Loss of Life
Article IV – Loss of Life
A. Murder in the First Degree- the premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the First Degree shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifty (50) years without the possibility of parole.
B. Murder in the Second Degree- the impulsive, intentional, but not premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the Second Degree shall be fined not less than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years.
C. Manslaughter- the unintentional killing of a person by another person, including deaths where the killer was insane, permanently or otherwise, or in situations where it can be reasonably determined that the average person would have acted in the same manner.
i. Whoever commits Manslaughter shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than one (1) but not more than ten (10) years.
ii. If the Manslaughter was committed with a vehicle, then the defendant will have their appropriate vehicle license suspended for two (2) years immediately following the conclusion of their incarceration and/or probation.
D. Negligent Homicide- a manslaughter that could have been avoided has the defendant had performed any check or action mandated by implicit or explicit rules.
i. Whoever commits Negligent Homicide shall be fined not less than $500 and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
E. Criminal Neglect- the abandonment of any dependent individual, however long, which endangers the general well being of the dependent in question.
i. Whoever commits Criminal Neglect shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article V- Sexual Crimes
A. Sexual Harassment- repeated unsolicited communications of a sexual nature which causes a person to enter a state of discomfort.
i. Whoever commits sexual harassment shall be fined nor more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits sexual harassment where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
B. Sexual Assault- an unsolicited action of a sexual nature involving contact which causes a person to enter into a state of discomfort or fear
i. Whoever commits Sexual Assault shall be fined not less than $500 and not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than thirty (30) days and not more than two (2) years.
ii. Whoever commits Sexual Assault where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not less than two (2) years and not more than ten (10) years.
iii. Whoever commits sexual assault must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for ten (10) years following their release.
C. Rape- non-consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people.
i. Whoever commits Rape shall be fined not less than $10,000 and imprisoned for not less than fifteen (15) years.
ii. Whoever commits Rape where a child is the victim shall be fined not less than $25,000 and imprisoned for not less than twenty-five (25) years without the possibility of parole.
iii. Whoever commits Rape must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for the rest of their natural life following their release.
D. Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile- consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people where one person is under the age of eighteen (18) and the other is over eighteen (18) and at least twenty-seven (27) months older.
i. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile shall be fined not more than $500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile where the difference in age is greater than thirty-nine (39) months shall be fined not more than $1,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
iii. Ignorance of the victim’s age shall not be a valid defense.
E. Possession of Child Pornography- knowingly possessing pornographic materials that depict any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Possession of Child Pornography shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
F. Production/Distribution of Child Pornography- producing or distributing any pornographic material that depicts, knowingly or otherwise, any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Production/Distribution of Child Pornography shall be fined not less than $2,500 and imprisoned for not less than six (6) months and not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits roduction/Distribution of Child Pornography must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for ten (10) years following their release.
E. Exposing a Person to a Sexually Transmitted Disease without their Consent- knowingly and willingly engaging in sexual behavior with another person when knowingly infected with a Sexually Transmitted Disease without first informing said person
i. Whoever commits Exposing a Person to a Sexually Transmitted Disease without their Consent shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
F. Soliciting a Prostitute- knowingly and willingly soliciting or accepting the services of a prostitute or undercover officer posing as a prostitute
i. Whoever commits Soliciting a Prostitute shall be fined no more than $1,000 and imprisoned for no more than two (2) years.





Article VI- Crimes Against the People

A. Corruption- giving or offering to give anything of apparent present or prospective value to, or the accepting or offering to accept anything of apparent present or prospective value by, any person, with the intention that the recipient shall corruptly influence any public official of the Republic of Calaverde, anyone elected or appointed as a public official of the Republic of Calaverde, public employee, juror or witness in a legal or administrative preceding.
i. Whoever commits Corruption shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five(5) years,
B. Bribery- giving or offering to give, directly or indirectly, anything of apparent present or prospective value, with the intent to corruptly influence, to any public official of the Republic of Calaverde, anyone elected or appointed as a public official of the Republic of Calaverde, public employee, juror or witness in a legal or administrative preceding.
i.Whoever commits Bribery shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
C. Misappropriation- intentional usage of public funds or property for personal expenses, or for personal expenses of another person, by a public official.
i. Whoever commits Misappropriation shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.





Article VII- Offences of Law

A.Impersonation of a Public Official- falsely claiming to be an official of the Republic of Calaverde.
i. Whoever commits Impersonation of a Public Official shall be fined no more than $1,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than one (1) year.
B. Contempt of Court- deliberately misleading the Court, disobeying a subpoena, or violating court orders made by a judge in a manner that is contemptuous
i.Whoever commits Contempt of Court shall be fined no more than $200 and shall be imprisoned for no more than thirty (30) days.
ii. A judge may find an individual to be in contempt of court at their discretion
C. Contempt of the Senate- deliberately misleading the Senate, disobeying a subpoena, or violating orders made by the Speaker in a manner that is contemptuous
i.Whoever commits Contempt of the Senate shall be fined no more than $200 and shall be imprisoned for no more than thirty (30) days.
ii. The Speaker may find an individual to be in Contempt of the Senate if his finding is followed by eight (8) seconds.





Additional Notes

A. Complicity in...-is defined as knowledge of a crime before it is committed and not taking any action to prevent it, it can carry the same sanction as the crime itself, or a less severe sanction
B. Assisted... refers to taking action to aid the commission of a crime. It carries the same sanction as the crime itself.
C. Attempted... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crim, but not completing the act for external reasons. It carries the same sanction.
D.Intent to... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crime, but not initiating the acts for external reasons. It can carry the same or a lesser sanction as the crime.
E. Someone who cannot pay a fine or fines because they do not have the means cannot be handed one.
F. For minor crimes where the court believes that imprisonment is not the best option, it may sentence a defendant to reasonable and proportional community service instead.
E. For all crimes except Murder in both degrees and Rape, a Judge may suspend a sentence.
F. In cases involving multiple charges, a Judge may sentence the defendant to serve sanctions concurrently or consecutively, except in cases of multiple Murder in the First Degree and Rape charges, which must be served consecutively.






I've added the Judge's ability to suspend a sentence, with an exception for more severe crimes. I also clarified that sentences can be carried out consecutively or concurrently.

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EDIT: In response to Malgrave

Some crimes are especially heinous and I believe that they should carry at least a minimum sentence. They are only placed on a few, very severe crimes.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:40 am

Having a minimum sentence means judges cannot be influenced by the circumstances or the background of a criminal when deciding a sentence. They are backwards and have no place in a modern justice system.

I'll read the rest later. I'm sure that's all fine though.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:59 am

Britanno wrote:Having a minimum sentence means judges cannot be influenced by the circumstances or the background of a criminal when deciding a sentence. They are backwards and have no place in a modern justice system.

I'll read the rest later. I'm sure that's all fine though.


That's my thinking. Ultimately I think sentencing for crimes should be left up to the judge. I have faith that our legal system will act impartially and will lay appropriate punishment where it is due.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:03 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:I wrote a bill to provide for housing assistance for low-income people living in private rented accommodation and social housing.


Housing Assistance Act

Author: Sen. Sebastián Luc Morales (Atlanticatia | DemLeft)
An act to improve housing affordability for people with low incomes.


Definitions
    gross income - income from means-tested social welfare benefits, contributions-based social insurance payments, child support, wages, salaries, pensions, student maintenance loans/grants, and capital. (excludes universal family benefits, and tax credits)

Purposes
  • To reduce homelessness.
  • To assist low-income people with housing costs.



§ 1 - Eligibility

a) A claimant must pass a means test to be eligible for 'housing allowance' and 'income-related rent', with gross monthly income below the following monthly 'income limits':
    i.) Individuals: $667 per month
    ii.) Couples: $1,042 per month
    iii.) Add $200 per month, per child to income limits for claimants with children.
    iv.) Each dollar earned above the income limit, in the case of the Housing Allowance, will reduce the allowance by 40 cents.
b) A claimant must not be living in owner-occupied accommodation.
c) Couples living together, and claimants living in shared accommodation, may only claim for their share of the rent.



§ 2 - Housing Allowance

a) Claimants must be living in private rented accommodation may claim housing allowance. Claimants must be at least 18, or at least 16 if they are living alone and cannot be supported by a parent or guardian.
b) Individuals may claim up to 80% of the median rent in their local area, for their 'bedroom entitlement'. This is called the 'rent cap'.
c) An individual's bedroom entitlement is calculated on the basis of one bedroom for each adult individual or couple, plus one bedroom for each two children aged less than seven, plus one bedroom for each child aged seven or more.
d) The allowance will pay eighty percent of a claimant's rent up to the rent cap, after the claimant has paid a 'rent contribution' - 25% of their gross monthly income for rent, after subtracting the 'basic deductible'. The basic deductible is $290 per month for an individual, and $450 per month for couples. Add $87 per month, per child, for claimants with children.
e) The housing allowance shall be based upon the following formula:
    ((R)*80%) - ((G - B)*25%)
Where, G = Gross monthly Income; B = Basic Deductible; R= Rent



§ 3 - Income-Related Rent

a) The State shall pay a subsidy directly to social and public housing authorities to provide 'income related rent' to tenants who are eligible under §1.a.
b) A tenant in social housing will pay 25% of their income up to the income limits, minus a 'basic deductible', in rent to the social or public housing authority. The basic deductible is $290 per month for an individual, and $450 per month for couples. Add $87 per month, per child, for claimants with children.
c) Individuals will pay 45% of their income to the social or public housing authorities for each dollar earned above the income limits, until market rent is reached, after which they will pay market rents to the social or public housing authority.



§ 4 - Payment of Benefits

a) Housing allowances shall be paid via direct deposit to a bank account of the claimant's choice. Claimants may also request that housing allowance is paid directly to a landlord.
b) If payment via direct deposit is not possible, a claimant may request to receive payments on a prepaid debit card, claimants must have their housing allowance paid directly to a landlord.
c) All income thresholds shall rise annually with the increase in the median income. All maximum rent caps will rise annually with the average rent increase in the local area.
d) Subsidies for income-related rent shall be paid directly to social or public housing authorities.


To clarify on the calculation for the allowance, and income related rent, let me provide a few examples.

Maria is a single parent that lives in private rented accommodation, with one child aged five. She is mostly unemployed but works about 5 hours per week, and has a monthly income from social welfare of $607, and from work of $95. Her total gross monthly income is $702 per month. Child benefits aren't included. The maximum income for her situation is $754 per month, so she is eligible. She is entitled to two bedrooms (one for her, and one for her child). She pays $285 per month in rent. The maximum allowable rent for a 2-bedroom in her area is $325 per month. She is under the 'rent cap'. First we must calculate her rent contribution, so we do $702 minus her basic deductible of $377 per month. She must pay 25% of the difference ($325), which is $81 per month. The allowance will then pay 80% of the difference between her rent, and her rent contribution. This is ($285-$81)*80%. Her monthly housing allowance is $163 per month.

David is disabled, and lives alone in social housing. He has a monthly income of $433 per month from social welfare. This is below the income threshold of $667 per month. We must first subtract his basic deductible from his income, which is $290. This leaves an income of $143 per month. He must pay 25% of this income in rent to the social housing authority, or $36 per month. After a while, he recovers and gets a full-time job, and earns $900 per month. He is now above the income threshold. Market rent for the social housing is $225 per month. First we subtract the basic deductible from the maximum monthly income level, which is $667 - $290. This is $377 per month. We multiply this by 25%, which is $94 per month. On the amount he earns in excess of the income level, which is $233, he must pay 45%. This is $105 per month. His total rent charged is $199 per month. He is getting close to paying the market rent of $225. When he earns about $958 per month, he will simply pay market rent of $225 to the social landlord.

So, comments/questions?


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Ask the Prime Minister :P

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Battlion wrote:Ask the Prime Minister :P


He's not on so I'm just going to wait for him to check this :P
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Of course it has government support.
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Beta Test wrote:Of course it has government support.


Thank you. :)
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How would the government feel if all mandatory minimums were removed and maximum sentences remained?

While I do not wholly agree, I am willing to remove the minimums if that is the will of the cabinet. I'm sure you all have Calaverde's best interests at heart, as I do.
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I do not believe the bill is ready for the chamber. It talks about things not established yet nor that are established in the bill. Namely social and public housing authorities so I don't know what the Minister expects to happen if the bill is passed or gets to chamber other than it to be found wanting when the public find the institutions supposed to help them don't exist. Whilst another section deals with social housing when their is no social housing in the country. Shouldn't this bill include the setting up of these organisations and a plan for building social housing before it goes to the chamber?

Also Minor grammatical error.

a) Claimants must be living in private rented accommodation may to claim housing allowance. Claimants must be at least 18, or at least 16 if they are living alone and cannot be supported by a parent or guardian
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The Nihilistic view wrote:I do not believe the bill is ready for the chamber. It talks about things not established yet nor that are established in the bill. Namely social and public housing authorities so I don't know what the Minister expects to happen if the bill is passed or gets to chamber other than it to be found wanting when the public find the institutions supposed to help them don't exist. Whilst another section deals with social housing when their is no social housing in the country. Shouldn't this bill include the setting up of these organisations and a plan for building social housing before it goes to the chamber?

Also Minor grammatical error.

a) Claimants must be living in private rented accommodation may to claim housing allowance. Claimants must be at least 18, or at least 16 if they are living alone and cannot be supported by a parent or guardian


I will fix that grammatical error. However, I do not think it matters if there is no social housing, as it would just mean no one would be eligible until there is. The bill does not create social housing, it just creates a subsidy for people living in social housing, which may or may not exist.
I would like to leave the development of social housing to the Minister responsible for that, as my portfolio is only related to social welfare and similar things, not infrastructure and the development of a social housing authority.
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Britanno wrote:Having a minimum sentence means judges cannot be influenced by the circumstances or the background of a criminal when deciding a sentence. They are backwards and have no place in a modern justice system.

I'll read the rest later. I'm sure that's all fine though.


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Atlanticatia wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:I do not believe the bill is ready for the chamber. It talks about things not established yet nor that are established in the bill. Namely social and public housing authorities so I don't know what the Minister expects to happen if the bill is passed or gets to chamber other than it to be found wanting when the public find the institutions supposed to help them don't exist. Whilst another section deals with social housing when their is no social housing in the country. Shouldn't this bill include the setting up of these organisations and a plan for building social housing before it goes to the chamber?

Also Minor grammatical error.

a) Claimants must be living in private rented accommodation may to claim housing allowance. Claimants must be at least 18, or at least 16 if they are living alone and cannot be supported by a parent or guardian


I will fix that grammatical error. However, I do not think it matters if there is no social housing, as it would just mean no one would be eligible until there is. The bill does not create social housing, it just creates a subsidy for people living in social housing, which may or may not exist.
I would like to leave the development of social housing to the Minister responsible for that, as my portfolio is only related to social welfare and similar things, not infrastructure and the development of a social housing authority.



There is no such thing as social and public housing authorities so even if this bill passes people are no better off as they have to apply to place that does not exist.

Surely then the whole topic should be their responsibility then if that's the attitude you are taking? You can't write a bill on a topic and then say well somebody else can do the other part as they are a more appropriate minister. It became your responsibility as soon as you wrote this bill. This bill does fuck all without developing a social housing building programme and the relevant authorities. I can't believe the PM can properly have read the bill considering it does nothing to help people. It's a serious embarrassment to the government and will be mercilessly attacked for being so under cooked.

Either leave the whole subject to the minister concerned or grow some balls and do the whole thing and do it properly. This legislation will help exactly nobody as it stands. It's like our judiciary bill establishing the right to justice and then not establishing courts. Totally pointless.
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Valluto wrote:I've finished a very basic Criminal Code. I'd like your opinions and suggestions on things that could be added or taken out.


Basic Criminal Code of Calaverde
| Author: Sebastien Canonge (Valluto, LDP) |
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An act to establish a criminal code for the Republic of Calaverde




Article I-Altercations and Crime
A. Assault- unnecessary and unlawful employment or threat of employment of physical force against another individual, whether intended to result in injury or not.
i. Whoever commits an assault shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
B. Battery- the unnecessary and unlawful employment of physical force against another individual resulting in or intended to result in injury, whether with or without a weapon.
i. Whoever commits a battery shall be sentenced to not more than one hundred-eighty (180) days and be fined not more than $500.
C. Incitement of Violence- the encouragement by Person X to another party with the intent of inflicting physical harm on Person Y.
i. Whoever commits Incitement of Violence shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200.
D. Affray- whereby two persons engage in unlawful fighting.
i. Whoever commits Affray shall be sentenced to not more than thirty (30) days and fined not more than $200.
E. Harassment – the continued use of action against one party by another which causes a state of fear or unease.
i. Whoever commits harassment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $500.
F. Reckless Endangerment- an action taken or behavior adopted without regard to the impact of one’s actions on others, which could cause immediate and pressing concern for individual or public safety. This includes the operation of vehicles that are obviously unfit for road travel and unsafe operation of weapons, including but not limited to firearms.
i. Whoever commits reckless endangerment shall be sentenced to not more than ninety (90) days and fined not more than $200
G. Kidnapping – to extricate a person from a situation or location without their consent.
i. Whoever commits kidnapping shall be fined not more than $2,500 dollars and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits kidnapping where the victim is under the age of eighteen (18), or where the victim is incapacitated, temporarily or permanently, shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than ten (10) years.
H. Unlawful Imprisonment – keeping someone at a location against their will.
i. Whoever commits unlawful imprisonment shall be fined not more than $2,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article II-Loss of Property
A. Theft- the unlawful and non-consensual acquisition of property through means other than guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits theft of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months.
ii. Whoever commits theft of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years
iii. Whoever commits theft shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the theft.
B. Fraud – unlawful acquisition of property, capital, or favors, which would otherwise be non-consensual, through the use of guile, trickery, and/or deceit.
i. Whoever commits the crime of fraud shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
C. Vandalism – the wanton destruction or defacing of another individual’s or a state’s property.
i. Whoever commits the crime of vandalism shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
D. Arson – the deliberate or wrongful ignition of a fire which endangers or destroys property, life, or well-being, either of an individual or the state. Arson must be combined with Vandalism, Assault, Murder, Manslaughter, or any attempt thereof, if and only if one of those crimes are committed as a result of or in the process of Arson.
i. Whoever commits Arson of property under $2,500 shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than one (1) year.
ii. Whoever commits Arson of property over $2,500 shall be fined no more than $15,000 and imprisoned for not more than four (4) years.
iii. Whoever commits Arson shall, in addition to the sanctions prescribed in III.A.i. or III.A.ii. , pay restitution equal to the damage inflicted upon the victim(s) as a result of the arson.
E. Breaking and Entering- making entrance into a property through force when said entrance does not have the consent of the owner.
i. Whoever commits Breaking and Entering shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days.
F. Robbery- unlawful acquisition of property without the consent of the owner by employment, or threat of employment, of force
i.Whoever commits robbery shall be fined no more than $5,000 and imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
ii.Whoever commits robbery while in possession of a deadly weapon shall be fined no more than $10,000 and imprisoned for no more than ten (10) years,



Article III-Breach of the Peace
A. Unlawful Assembly- Where a group of people refuse to disperse after a Constable issues an order for their assembly to do so
i. Whoever commits Unlawful Assembly shall be fined not more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
B. Rioting- where a group of people, after and while committing Unlawful Assembly (IV.A.), is engaged in other illegal activities.
i. Whoever commits Rioting shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than ninety (90) days
ii. The sanction prescribed in IV.B.i. shall be served in addition to, consecutively or concurrently, with any sanctions that may result from additional crimes committed while rioting.
iii. A defendant must be convicted of another crime in addition to Rioting.
C. Disorderly Conduct – consists of actions liable to cause Breach of the Peace while not in an unlawful assembly.
i. Whoever commits Disorderly Conduct shall be fined not more than $200 and will be imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
D. Terrorism- the commission of an illegal act with the intent of installing fear within the populace in order to advance a political or religious interest
i. Whoever commits Terrorism shall be fined no more than $25,000 dollars and imprisoned for no more than eighty (80) years
E. Indecent Exposure- intentionally exposing one's nudity to another person or group of people in public.
i. Whoever commits Indecent Exposure shall be fined no more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.
F. Public Intoxication- being in a public place, other than the immediate vicinity of a bar or other establishment that serves alcoholic beverages whilst obviously en route to a private place, while intoxicated and/or under the influence of any non-prescription drug.
i. Whoever commits Public Intoxication shall be fined no more than $200 and imprisoned for not more than thirty (30) days.



Article IV-Loss of Life
Article IV – Loss of Life
A. Murder in the First Degree- the premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the First Degree shall be fined not more than $25,000 and imprisoned for no more than eighty (80) years with or without the possibility of parole
B. Murder in the Second Degree- the impulsive, intentional, but not premeditated killing of a person by another person.
i. Whoever commits Murder in the Second Degree shall be fined not more than $15,000 and imprisoned for not more than fifty (50) years.
C. Manslaughter- the unintentional killing of a person by another person, including deaths where the killer was insane, permanently or otherwise, or in situations where it can be reasonably determined that the average person would have acted in the same manner.
i. Whoever commits Manslaughter shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than ten (10) years.
ii. If the Manslaughter was committed with a vehicle, then the defendant will have their appropriate vehicle license suspended for two (2) years immediately following the conclusion of their incarceration and/or probation.
D. Negligent Homicide- a manslaughter that could have been avoided has the defendant had performed any check or action mandated by implicit or explicit rules.
i. Whoever commits Negligent Homicide shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
E. Criminal Neglect- the abandonment of any dependent individual, however long, which endangers the general well being of the dependent in question.
i. Whoever commits Criminal Neglect shall be fined not more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.



Article V- Sexual Crimes
A. Sexual Harassment- repeated unsolicited communications of a sexual nature which causes a person to enter a state of discomfort.
i. Whoever commits sexual harassment shall be fined nor more than $1,000 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits sexual harassment where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
B. Sexual Assault- an unsolicited action of a sexual nature involving contact which causes a person to enter into a state of discomfort or fear
i. Whoever commits Sexual Assault shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
ii. Whoever commits Sexual Assault where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than ten (10) years.
iii. Whoever commits sexual assault must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for ten (10) years following their release.
C. Rape- non-consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people using any instrument or part of the body
i. Whoever commits Rape shall be fined not more than $15,000 and imprisoned for not more than fifty (50) years.
ii. Whoever commits Rape where a child is the victim shall be fined not more than $25,000 and imprisoned for not more than seventy-five (75) years
iii. Whoever commits Rape must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for the rest of their natural life following their release.
D. Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile- consensual sexual penetration, however slight and whether oral, anal, or vaginal, between two people using any instrument or part of the body where one person is under the age of eighteen (18) and the other is over eighteen (18) and at least twenty-seven (27) months older.
i. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile shall be fined not more than $500 and imprisoned for not more than six (6) months
ii. Whoever commits Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile where the difference in age is greater than thirty-nine (39) months shall be fined not more than $1,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
iii. Ignorance of the victim’s age shall not be a valid defense.
E. Possession of Child Pornography- knowingly possessing pornographic materials that depict any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Possession of Child Pornography shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for not more than two (2) years.
F. Production/Distribution of Child Pornography- producing or distributing any pornographic material that depicts, knowingly or otherwise, any real person who is under the age of eighteen (18).
i. Whoever commits Production/Distribution of Child Pornography shall be fined not more than $5,000 and imprisoned for not more than five (5) years.
ii. Whoever commits Production/Distribution of Child Pornography must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for ten (10) years following their release.
E. Exposing a Person to a Sexually Transmitted Disease without their Consent- knowingly and willingly engaging in sexual behavior with another person when knowingly infected with a Sexually Transmitted Disease without first informing said person
i. Whoever commits Exposing a Person to a Sexually Transmitted Disease without their Consent shall be fined not more than $2,500 and imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
ii.Whoever commits Exposing a Person to a Sexually Transmitted Disease without their Consent must register as a sex offender with the Centralized Police Authority for five (5) years following their release.
F. Soliciting a Prostitute- knowingly and willingly soliciting or accepting the services of a prostitute or undercover officer posing as a prostitute
i. Whoever commits Soliciting a Prostitute shall be fined no more than $1,000 and imprisoned for no more than two (2) years.
G. Failure to Register as a Sex Offender- failure to register as a sex offender pursuant to V.B.iii, V.C.iii, V.F.ii, or V.E.ii.





Article VI- Crimes Against the People

A. Corruption- giving or offering to give anything of apparent present or prospective value to, or the accepting or offering to accept anything of apparent present or prospective value by, any person, with the intention that the recipient shall corruptly influence any public official of the Republic of Calaverde, anyone elected or appointed as a public official of the Republic of Calaverde, public employee, juror or witness in a legal or administrative preceding.
i. Whoever commits Corruption shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five(5) years,
B. Bribery- giving or offering to give, directly or indirectly, anything of apparent present or prospective value, with the intent to corruptly influence, to any public official of the Republic of Calaverde, anyone elected or appointed as a public official of the Republic of Calaverde, public employee, juror or witness in a legal or administrative preceding.
i.Whoever commits Bribery shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.
C. Misappropriation- intentional usage of public funds or property for personal expenses, or for personal expenses of another person, by a public official.
i. Whoever commits Misappropriation shall be fined no more than $5,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than five (5) years.





Article VII- Offences of Law

A.Impersonation of a Public Official- falsely claiming to be an official of the Republic of Calaverde.
i. Whoever commits Impersonation of a Public Official shall be fined no more than $1,000 and shall be imprisoned for no more than one (1) year.
B. Contempt of Court- deliberately misleading the Court, disobeying a subpoena, or violating court orders made by a judge in a manner that is contemptuous
i.Whoever commits Contempt of Court shall be fined no more than $200 and shall be imprisoned for no more than thirty (30) days.
ii. A judge may find an individual to be in contempt of court at their discretion
C. Contempt of the Senate- deliberately misleading the Senate, disobeying a subpoena, or violating orders made by the Speaker in a manner that is contemptuous
i.Whoever commits Contempt of the Senate shall be fined no more than $200 and shall be imprisoned for no more than thirty (30) days.
ii. The Speaker may find an individual to be in Contempt of the Senate if his finding is followed by eight (8) seconds.





Additional Notes

A. Complicity in...-is defined as knowledge of a crime before it is committed and not taking any action to prevent it, it can carry the same sanction as the crime itself, or a less severe sanction
B. Assisted... refers to taking action to aid the commission of a crime. It carries the same sanction as the crime itself.
C. Attempted... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crim, but not completing the act for external reasons. It carries the same sanction.
D.Intent to... refers to taking actions to perpetrate a crime, but not initiating the acts for external reasons. It can carry the same or a lesser sanction as the crime.
E. Someone who cannot pay a fine or fines because they do not have the means cannot be handed one.
F. For minor crimes where the court believes that imprisonment is not the best option, it may sentence a defendant to reasonable and proportional community service instead.





Ok, removed all mandatory minimums and changed some of the sanctions.

Also some grammatical and mechanical errors were corrected

I did not add a provision banning the Death Penalty as none of the sanctions can be interpreted to warrant the death penalty, as all of them have a maximum sentence (murder, for example, has a maximum sentence of 80 years).
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:40 pm

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I will fix that grammatical error. However, I do not think it matters if there is no social housing, as it would just mean no one would be eligible until there is. The bill does not create social housing, it just creates a subsidy for people living in social housing, which may or may not exist.
I would like to leave the development of social housing to the Minister responsible for that, as my portfolio is only related to social welfare and similar things, not infrastructure and the development of a social housing authority.



There is no such thing as social and public housing authorities so even if this bill passes people are no better off as they have to apply to place that does not exist.

Surely then the whole topic should be their responsibility then if that's the attitude you are taking? You can't write a bill on a topic and then say well somebody else can do the other part as they are a more appropriate minister. It became your responsibility as soon as you wrote this bill. This bill does fuck all without developing a social housing building programme and the relevant authorities. I can't believe the PM can properly have read the bill considering it does nothing to help people. It's a serious embarrassment to the government and will be mercilessly attacked for being so under cooked.

Either leave the whole subject to the minister concerned or grow some balls and do the whole thing and do it properly. This legislation will help exactly nobody as it stands. It's like our judiciary bill establishing the right to justice and then not establishing courts. Totally pointless.


Technically there could be social housing authorities as there can be nonprofit private providers.

But I do not understand your complaints. This bill establishes the 'welfare' side of things - means-testing claimants, paying the benefits, managing benefit clawbacks, etc. It would be up to the Minister for housing issues to decide which public/social housing authorities are eligible for income-related rent, and to choose to build housing authorities, etc.

The Ministry of Finance and Social Development has a responsibility to deliver public welfare schemes, not actual infrastructure, nor the management of housing authorities. We would have separate bills managing social housing authorities etc and one bill managing subsidies for individuals who are welfare claimants and with low incomes.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:52 pm

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There is no such thing as social and public housing authorities so even if this bill passes people are no better off as they have to apply to place that does not exist.

Surely then the whole topic should be their responsibility then if that's the attitude you are taking? You can't write a bill on a topic and then say well somebody else can do the other part as they are a more appropriate minister. It became your responsibility as soon as you wrote this bill. This bill does fuck all without developing a social housing building programme and the relevant authorities. I can't believe the PM can properly have read the bill considering it does nothing to help people. It's a serious embarrassment to the government and will be mercilessly attacked for being so under cooked.

Either leave the whole subject to the minister concerned or grow some balls and do the whole thing and do it properly. This legislation will help exactly nobody as it stands. It's like our judiciary bill establishing the right to justice and then not establishing courts. Totally pointless.


Technically there could be social housing authorities as there can be nonprofit private providers.

But I do not understand your complaints. This bill establishes the 'welfare' side of things - means-testing claimants, paying the benefits, managing benefit clawbacks, etc. It would be up to the Minister for housing issues to decide which public/social housing authorities are eligible for income-related rent, and to choose to build housing authorities, etc.


THERE

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Is that clear enough for you? There is no means or body that can either process claims or pay people. There is nowhere people can apply to or call. The "social and public housing authorities" mentioned in the bill have not been created. They don't exist.

Private provision would be a charity or LBG not an authority. An authority can only be an extension of the government or local government formed to act in the capacity mandated by legislation. We have not created any housing authorities, they don't exist. You are creating what the authority will do before creating the authority. And that is policy assbackwards.

Maria can't get her support if there is no bloody authority for her to get it from.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:04 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
Technically there could be social housing authorities as there can be nonprofit private providers.

But I do not understand your complaints. This bill establishes the 'welfare' side of things - means-testing claimants, paying the benefits, managing benefit clawbacks, etc. It would be up to the Minister for housing issues to decide which public/social housing authorities are eligible for income-related rent, and to choose to build housing authorities, etc.


THERE

IS

NO

SUCH

THING

AS

SOCIAL

AND

PUBLIC

HOUSING

AUTHORITIES


Is that clear enough for you? There is no means or body that can either process claims or pay people. There is nowhere people can apply to or call. The "social and public housing authorities" mentioned in the bill have not been created. They don't exist.

Private provision would be a charity or LBG not an authority. An authority can only be an extension of the government or local government formed to act in the capacity mandated by legislation. We have not created any housing authorities, they don't exist. You are creating what the authority will do before creating the authority. And that is policy assbackwards.

Maria can't get her support if there is no bloody authority for her to get it from.


As I said, this argument is kind of unrelated to this bill. The clause for social housing would not become relevant until the Minister responsible for them creates them. It simply creates a framework for social welfare subsidies.

I am not the Minister for housing. I draft policy for the provision of social welfare and assistance. I do not create housing authorities. That is not my portfolio nor my area of expertise.

If you'd like to see some housing authorities created, take it up with the PM or the Minister of Transport, Public Works and Urban Development.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:12 pm

None of the clauses are relevant now. That's the point. The bill is taking up legislative time but does nothing.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:23 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:None of the clauses are relevant now. That's the point. The bill is taking up legislative time but does nothing.


It establishes a housing benefit for private rented accomodation and establishes a framework for housing subsidies for individuals living in social housing.
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