Psychosomatic illnesses

[Minnas]

Yup, you're a guy, and the worst kind. Let me give ya a hint of what may be going on through the mind of a woman who was just told that because of her mental disorders and the meds she was taking to get better she'll never be able to bare her man a child? Oh, but you have no idea, you're not a woman and to you we are all sluts that can't handle stress and therefore can't be mothers.

What may be going on through Nanatsu's head right now... is pure pain. So stand back, stand far away, and shut your mouth.

I like how you accuse me of generalizations I didn't make (in fact I was very specific about what kind of woman shouldn't have children) while you spout generalizations about men and what we can or cannot understand. Very egalitarian of you.

I'll be egalitarian with you. Yes, when you show that you're indeed a man, not because of your genitalia, but for your convictions and for knowing when to stfu. I told you, step back and step far away.

You seem to be talking from an experience that bares no importance to the OP. You don't know how this feel, neither do I, and you never will, no matter how much you think, in your irrationality about your ex-slut (as you called her) is, what this feels like.

[Minnas]

She has not said either such thing, and both are blatantly untrue besides.

Stop flamebaiting me.

Flamebaiting you? I don't even know you. The first post on this page has her quoting herself saying she doesn't think she has a boyfriend.

But it's okay if you want to pretend she didn't say that. It's not really on topic anyway.

You seem to be. One question, since you're a noob, how come you knew, right away that Galloism is her BF? She never mentioned it, and yet you seemed to know it. How was that possible, noob? Your founding day is quite new. Are you a sock puppet on a trolling rampage?

[Pacifisia]

Mods!!! Mods! Where the hell are you?

Hiddenrun has to be banned for this. Disgraceful.

Big thumbs up to everyone who tried to help Nana here. Big thumbs down for Hiddenrun.

Agreed?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, and it'll take time, but I'm sure you have that time. Just concentrate on getting better, that's all you really can do. And I do hope your man knows that he needs to be patient, this is not something that appears and disappears at will.

I'm sure he will be patient. He has been incredibly supportive.

Dear G, thank you for your understanding.

If you're still medicated with antidepressants, my suggestion is you talk to your shrink and stop them. I don't know what you're taking, but Paxil altered my aunt's cycles so bad that was one the main causes for the PS.

I'm off the meds already, pending my doctor knowing of course.

[Smunkeeville]

I'm off the meds already, pending my doctor knowing of course.

Bouncing on and off of psychiatric drugs is really dangerous. You shouldn't quit taking them without consulting your doctor. If you've been off of them for a few days though you shouldn't go back on them without consulting your doctor. It does horrible things to your body. They aren't like Tylenol, you can't just take them when you feel like it and then quit taking them when you don't.

[Minnas]

I'm off the meds already, pending my doctor knowing of course.

Bouncing on and off of psychiatric drugs is really dangerous. You shouldn't quit taking them without consulting your doctor. If you've been off of them for a few days though you shouldn't go back on them without consulting your doctor. It does horrible things to your body. They aren't like Tylenol, you can't just take them when you feel like it and then quit taking them when you don't.

I think it was best she stopped taking them, and shouldn't get back on them.

[Buffett and Colbert]

She has not said either such thing, and both are blatantly untrue besides.

Stop flamebaiting me.

Flamebaiting you? I don't even know you. The first post on this page has her quoting herself saying she doesn't think she has a boyfriend.

But it's okay if you want to pretend she didn't say that. It's not really on topic anyway.

You seem to be. One question, since you're a noob, how come you knew, right away that Galloism is her BF? She never mentioned it, and yet you seemed to know it. How was that possible, noob? Your founding day is quite new. Are you a sock puppet on a trolling rampage?

You are the one flamebating and you know it. And besides, why does he have to tell you such things? I personally know why he knows, but what does it add to the conversation? That's it, nothing.

[United Dependencies]

She has not said either such thing, and both are blatantly untrue besides.

Stop flamebaiting me.

Flamebaiting you? I don't even know you. The first post on this page has her quoting herself saying she doesn't think she has a boyfriend.

But it's okay if you want to pretend she didn't say that. It's not really on topic anyway.

You seem to be. One question, since you're a noob, how come you knew, right away that Galloism is her BF? She never mentioned it, and yet you seemed to know it. How was that possible, noob? Your founding day is quite new. Are you a sock puppet on a trolling rampage?

Woah Galloism is what?! This caught me by suprise.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Woah Galloism is what?! This caught me by suprise.

n00b.

[Minnas]

You are the one flamebating and you know it. And besides, why does he have to tell you such things? I personally know why he knows, but what does it add to the conversation? That's it, nothing.

I think you should read through the thread.

[Buffett and Colbert]

You are the one flamebating and you know it. And besides, why does he have to tell you such things? I personally know why he knows, but what does it add to the conversation? That's it, nothing.

I think you should read through the thread.

Your point?

[Hiddenrun]

I'll be egalitarian with you. Yes, when you show that you're indeed a man, not because of your genitalia, but for your convictions and for knowing when to stfu. I told you, step back and step far away.

You seem to be talking from an experience that bares no importance to the OP. You don't know how this feel, neither do I, and you never will, no matter how much you think, in your irrationality about your ex-slut (as you called her) is, what this feels like.

Actually, you called her a slut. I used different terminology. You also seem to be under the mistaken impression that you have some sort of authority here. Despite your bravado, you have no ability to make me step back.

This thread is very strange. Full of lies or bizarre contradictions, for the OP claimed she was not trying to be a mother, yet you seem to be convinced that this is untrue. Everything you have said about how horrible it must be for her to want so desperately to get pregnant blatantly screams that you yourself believe she was lying when she claimed to have no such desires. However, when I point out that it seems that she does indeed want to get pregnant, you strap on your boots and attempt to step on my penis. Oddly enough, I have only stated what your statements have proven you too believe.

But perhaps you aren't really aware of what your comments suggest about your beliefs.

I would suggest toning down on your hostility. Just because you claim to be female does not mean you get to flame me because I am supposedly an uncaring male. Once again, I suggested that someone who was unstable think twice or thrice about bringing another life into this world. Were it a female making this suggestion, I doubt you'd be so eager to flex your womanly muscles.

[Bottle]

Of course women aspire to motherhood, even the ones who claim they don't. It's a biological imperative.

It's so cute when a boy brags about how he's had failed and dysfunctional relationships with women and then also claims to know what women really think and feel.

[Hiddenrun]

Of course women aspire to motherhood, even the ones who claim they don't. It's a biological imperative.

It's so cute when a boy brags about how he's had failed and dysfunctional relationships with women and then also claims to know what women really think and feel.

Ah. I see. Only someone who has had perfect relationships (wait, is that even possible? Could perfection exist outside of a single relationship? Seems more likely that if you've had more than one relationship, you've had some sort of dysfunctional situation.) can comment?

Are you denying that we, as humans, are as full of the biological need to reproduce as any other species?

We can rise above our biological urges, but this does not mean we do not have them. Therefore, every woman aspires to motherhood, even if they claim they don't.

But by no means allow this fact to interfere with the irrational feminist ranting.

[Minnas]

Actually, you called her a slut. I used different terminology. You also seem to be under the mistaken impression that you have some sort of authority here. Despite your bravado, you have no ability to make me step back.

Oh yes, because you are so qualified to post about this. Because you have gone through sterility. Because, woohoo, you can get pregnant and give birth.

This thread is very strange. Full of lies or bizarre contradictions, for the OP claimed she was not trying to be a mother, yet you seem to be convinced that this is untrue. Everything you have said about how horrible it must be for her to want so desperately to get pregnant blatantly screams that you yourself believe she was lying when she claimed to have no such desires. However, when I point out that it seems that she does indeed want to get pregnant, you strap on your boots and attempt to step on my penis. Oddly enough, I have only stated what you yourself seem to believe.

But perhaps you aren't really aware of what your comments suggest about your beliefs.

And what is it to you? Does it ever crossed your male mind that maybe the OP doesn't need to be clear on her personal life. She just asked a question. You, on the other hand, were quick to judge. A woman doesn't need to be seeking to get pregnant to be devastated by news like this.

But since you're so knowledable on this subject, I'll let you label and think you're qualified to speak about the OP and on behalf of all the sterile woman out there.

[Buffett and Colbert]

And what is it to you? Does it ever crossed your male mind that maybe the OP doesn't need to be clear on her personal life. She just asked a question. You, on the other hand, were quick to judge. A woman doesn't need to be seeking to get pregnant to be devastated by news like this.

But since you're so knowledable on this subject, I'll let you label and think you're qualified to speak about the OP and on behalf of all the sterile woman out there.

Minnas is absolutely right. Who are you to judge what the OP feels or doesn't? wants or doesn't want? And lo and behold, you can't possibly know what this would be like. You and I can try to, but in reality, it's an impossible endeavor. So instead of patronizing the person and insulting the OP and Minnas, you could be offering actual answers, advice or sympathy.

[Bottle]

I've often wondered if we could harness peoples psychology to use in effectively fighting illnesses. I mean if we give placebo drugs in clinical trials and the placebos will sometimes -work- then what's happening? It's quite silly that we've known of the phenomena so long but yet we've not really much information on how it works. Does that mean people more educated about illnesses would be more difficult to treat? I mean there#s placebos, but what about the opposite? Can you convince a patient that medication -isn't- working, and thereby stop proper medicine from doing what it should?

The placebo effect is wicked cool. (Let me know if my jargon is over the top, here.) However, it is limited. Let's say you take some patients who have broken legs, and you give them a placebo and tell them it's a painkiller. A lot of them are going to report that the "treatment" worked, and their pain decreased. However, if you give those same patients a placebo and tell them it will help their bone knit faster, there won't actually be any statistically significant difference in the rate of bone healing.

You also can't stop a drug from working simply by telling people it won't work. If I give somebody a tab of opium and tell them that it's just a sugar pill, they're still going to get high. Hell, just look at child cancer patients and you can see the proof of this...if it were possible to prevent a child from suffering during chemo just by not telling them about it, you'd think there would be a lot fewer kids feeling lousy on chemo, right? I mean, lots of parents don't tell their child all that much about the treatment anyhow, yet those kids get sick and lose their hair just as often as the kids whose parents tell them everything.

[Hiddenrun]

Oh yes, because you are so qualified to post about this. Because you have gone through sterility. Because, woohoo, you can get pregnant and give birth.

I'm sorry, did you forget where you told us you had never experienced this either? That your only experience was vicarious? I suppose that having a womb instantly makes you understand, personally, what sterility feels like? Yes, that seems absolutely logical.

My comments, if you have failed to notice, are based around the notion that it might be a good thing for certain people to be temporarily sterile if they are suffering from the kind of mental issues that make any sort of stress dangerous for their health. As I have also pointed out, having children is by definition, stressful. If the entire issue is a need to avoid stress, then it hardly makes sense to go ahead and jump headlong into something that is stress embodied.

And what is it to you? Does it ever crossed your male mind that maybe the OP doesn't need to be clear on her personal life. She just asked a question. You, on the other hand, were quick to judge. A woman doesn't need to be seeking to get pregnant to be devastated by news like this.
But since you're so knowledable on this subject, I'll let you label and think you're qualified to speak about the OP and on behalf of all the sterile woman out there.

If I were speaking for any sterile women at all, I'd hardly be doing anything different than what you yourself have done. Apparently I need ovaries to do that though.

Someone here isn't being honest about her sexism.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Ah. I see. Only someone who has had perfect relationships (wait, is that even possible? Could perfection exist outside of a single relationship? Seems more likely that if you've had more than one relationship, you've had some sort of dysfunctional situation.) can comment?

Are you denying that we, as humans, are as full of the biological need to reproduce as any other species?

We can rise above our biological urges, but this does not mean we do not have them. Therefore, every woman aspires to motherhood, even if they claim they don't.

But by no means allow this fact to interfere with the irrational feminist ranting.

For the bolded part: So you've only dated one person in your entire life? Talk about anti-social.

A woman is naturally configured to have children. But this doesn't mean she automatically wants them. Many many choose not to have children at all. It being their own choice, and them being fully capable of doing so. Don't claim to have dissected the mind of every woman on Earth.

[Buffett and Colbert]

[quote="Hiddenrun I'm sorry, did you forget where you told us you had never experienced this either? That your only experience was vicarious? I suppose that having a womb instantly makes you understand, personally, what sterility feels like? Yes, that seems absolutely logical.[/quote]

A female can more readilly relate to another female than a male can, even if she hasn't gone through the experience herself. She can imagine FAR better what it'd be like and offer FAR better advice and sympathy than us males.

[Hiddenrun]

Minnas is absolutely right. Who are you to judge what the OP feels or doesn't? wants or doesn't want? And lo and behold, you can't possibly know what this would be like. You and I can try to, but in reality, it's an impossible endeavor. So instead of patronizing the person and insulting the OP and Minnas, you could be offering actual answers, advice or sympathy.

I am not going on anything more than what the OP has said.

She asked about this condition.

She claimed she did not want to be a mother.

She claimed to have no boyfriend.

She verified that her boyfriend should not consider her as anything because she is unfit.

She mentions she is going to see a psychiatrist about her issues.

She brings up the fact that she is very upset because apparently she may be sterile. Which suggests she does in fact wish to be a mother, and has been thwarted.

Now, if I mention the very things the OP has brought up, how is that problematic? If someone doesn't want the intimate details of her life exposed, then why expose them in the first place?

As for what I've said about women who are unstable having children (creating a situation that is likely to cause more instability, a fact no one here has bothered to address or deny), if you wish, this is a topic that is up for debate, because there are aspects to it that are not settled. As for my reiteration of the OPs own words, however, I fail to see why the lot of you insist on denying she said any such thing. Have you not been reading? Or is it intentional, this dishonesty?

[Bottle]

Of course women aspire to motherhood, even the ones who claim they don't. It's a biological imperative.

It's so cute when a boy brags about how he's had failed and dysfunctional relationships with women and then also claims to know what women really think and feel.

Ah. I see. Only someone who has had perfect relationships (wait, is that even possible? Could perfection exist outside of a single relationship? Seems more likely that if you've had more than one relationship, you've had some sort of dysfunctional situation.) can comment?

Yes, of course, that's exactly what I meant.

*sarcasm-o-meter fizzles out in a cloud of sparks and irony*

Are you denying that we, as humans, are as full of the biological need to reproduce as any other species?

Absolutely I'm denying that. Humans experience far less of a biological imperative to reproduce than most other life known to us, as a matter of fact.

We can rise above our biological urges, but this does not mean we do not have them. Therefore, every woman aspires to motherhood, even if they claim they don't.

We can rise above our biological urge to eat fatty foods, but this doesn't mean we don't have it. Therefore, every woman desires to eat her body weight in cheesecake, even if they claim they don't.

Seriously, makes just as much sense as the bunk you're spewing.

But hey, don't take my word for it. Feel free to keep thinking that you know women's minds better than the women themselves. Divorce lawyers need work just like everyone else these days.

[Hiddenrun]

For the bolded part: So you've only dated one person in your entire life? Talk about anti-social.

It seems as though you are unable to read. I pointed out that anyone who has had more than one relationship has, by definition, experienced a dysfunctional relationship. Else the relationship would not have ended. The poster I was responding to suggested that someone who has had a dysfunctional relationship could not comment therefore on any relationship. I brought up the point that it would be very odd indeed to only allow persons who have experienced perfection (ie, ONE relationship) to make such comments. Are you up to speed now?

A woman is naturally configured to have children. But this doesn't mean she automatically wants them. Many many choose not to have children at all. It being their own choice, and them being fully capable of doing so. Don't claim to have dissected the mind of every woman on Earth.

All women want to have children. It is a basic, biological urge. That is it sometimes overcome does not change that fact. Nothing you have said refutes this.

[Hiddenrun]

But hey, don't take my word for it. Feel free to keep thinking that you know women's minds better than the women themselves. Divorce lawyers need work just like everyone else these days.

Ah. I see. It offends your feminist sensibilities to have someone point out that your body aches for a child, even though your mind rebels.

Nowhere have I said it's wrong to overcome your biological urges. It's amusing however when some of you claim to be so special as to not have those urges at all. Veritable superwomen.

[Buffett and Colbert]

She asked about this condition.

She claimed she did not want to be a mother.

She claimed to have no boyfriend.
Give me the quote.

She verified that her boyfriend should not consider her as anything because she is unfit.
Once again, give me the quote.

She mentions she is going to see a psychiatrist about her issues.

She brings up the fact that she is very upset because apparently she may be sterile. Which suggests she does in fact wish to be a mother, and has been thwarted.
One does not have to wish to be a mother to be upset about the fact that she could be sterile. It's not always the practicality what bothers some, but the, I suppose you could say, symbolism it caries.

Now, if I mention the very things the OP has brought up, how is that problematic? If someone doesn't want the intimate details of her life exposed, then why expose them in the first place?


As for what I've said about women who are unstable having children (creating a situation that is likely to cause more instability, a fact no one here has bothered to address or deny), if you wish, this is a topic that is up for debate, because there are aspects to it that are not settled. As for my reiteration of the OPs own words, however, I fail to see why the lot of you insist on denying she said any such thing. Have you not been reading? Or is it intentional, this dishonesty?