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Do you think Hitler was insane?

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Somewhat
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Only a little
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No
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Hell no!
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:12 am

Unilisia wrote:
Beldonia wrote:Racism is allowed.


Where in the site rules are people allowed to be racist ?

One might ask where it's forbidden, but I do agree that it ought not be allowed. Racism is at best impolite and at worst it makes a person a barbarian whose opinions are not worthy of being heard in civilized discourse.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:13 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Unilisia wrote:
Where in the site rules are people allowed to be racist ?

One might ask where it's forbidden, but I do agree that it ought not be allowed. Racism is at best impolite and at worst it makes a person a barbarian whose opinions are not worthy of being heard in civilized discourse.

You're correct. I, however, don't think that "Kraut" and something like the n word are on the same level. Also, his comments weren't directed at another player.

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Postby Unilisia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:15 am

Beldonia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:One might ask where it's forbidden, but I do agree that it ought not be allowed. Racism is at best impolite and at worst it makes a person a barbarian whose opinions are not worthy of being heard in civilized discourse.

You're correct. I, however, don't think that "Kraut" and something like the n word are on the same level. Also, his comments weren't directed at another player.


Using a racist word can still be taken offensively even if it's not directed at someone.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:16 am

Unilisia wrote:
Beldonia wrote:You're correct. I, however, don't think that "Kraut" and something like the n word are on the same level. Also, his comments weren't directed at another player.


Using a racist word can still be taken offensively even if it's not directed at someone.

Of course. But not as much as if it was.

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Postby Selothey » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:17 am

Beldonia wrote:Of course. But not as much as if it was.


How you know?
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Postby Apollonesia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:18 am

Beldonia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:One might ask where it's forbidden, but I do agree that it ought not be allowed. Racism is at best impolite and at worst it makes a person a barbarian whose opinions are not worthy of being heard in civilized discourse.

You're correct. I, however, don't think that "Kraut" and something like the n word are on the same level. Also, his comments weren't directed at another player.

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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:20 am

Selothey wrote:
Beldonia wrote:Of course. But not as much as if it was.


How you know?
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As a general thing, people are usually less offended.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:20 am

Beldonia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:One might ask where it's forbidden, but I do agree that it ought not be allowed. Racism is at best impolite and at worst it makes a person a barbarian whose opinions are not worthy of being heard in civilized discourse.

You're correct. I, however, don't think that "Kraut" and something like the n word are on the same level. Also, his comments weren't directed at another player.

I suppose. I have to admit, I'm not sure what the take is among Germans on being called a "Kraut," but Wiki sayeth that it is an offensive term.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:26 am

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Postby Omni Broadcasting » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:01 am

Part of me wants to say yes, but he probably wasn't certifiably insane. Anyone who's lived long enough can tell you there were times when they were a little crazy. I've went through such phases myself.

As far as I know, Hitler never heard voices. He never claimed angels descended from heaven and told him to kill Jews, Gypsies, and Homosexuals.

I watched the movie "Downfall" and saw the scenes where he was commanding armies that only existed in his head, but is that truly crazy? How many people started their own business only to see it fail, yet stay convinced that they should keep sinking their money into it. Hitler was crazy but he was a common crazy. He was common crazy on a massive scale. He was just as crazy as Donald Trump was with his casino idea. Unlike Trump, he couldn't just go, "Well guess I won't turn Europe into a massive German superpower after all. You can stop bombing my cities now." and pull out of his investment.

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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:02 am

I don't know which is scarier that an insane individual could be democratically elected to the highest seat of power in an industrialized nation, or that a normal, semi-reasonable politician could voluntarily embrace the persecution and eventually genocide of an entire group of people just to gain and maintain political power.

personally I think the latter is slightly more supported by evidence and might actually be scarier for it.
evidence
1. persecution did not turn into all out genocide until his political power was threatened.
2. many modern politicians seem to have no problem with blaming and indeed persecuting entire ethnic groups
3. paranoia and retreat to more extreme stances seems to be the norm in many politicians.
4. he surrounded himself with yes men, thus isolating himself from dissent and dissonance, something that encourages extremism.

Hitler didn't do anything completely out of the purview of modern successful politicians, he just enjoyed a more protected (from opposition)and powerful position along with technology allowing an unprecedented ability enforce and propaganda said paranoia and extremism.

I changed my mind insanity with power is scary but the reasonable doing the insane is way, way more terrifying.
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Postby FREEaquaticdancelesson » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:07 am

Hitler,

Addicted to amphetamines, had terrible Parkinson's disease (in which dementia is known to occur), and was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder by his own doctor.

So, yeah, he was nuts.
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Postby Jakaragua » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:09 am

All conquerors have an insane ideology that states the people they're conquering somehow deserve it. One can find numerous pics even on the net of Germans collecting African heads as trophies and for "science" only a few decades before the Holocaust.

Ultimately there was an aim that wasn't so odd by the standards of the time - destroying communism and building empire. I think it's just an accident of history that the Pan-German racial nationalist milieu Hitler ended up in seeing communism and Jews as bound up in one conspiracy.
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Postby Apollonesia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:26 am

The Fuhrer wasn't insane, he just had a minor head cold...
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Postby St George of England » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:34 am

Sanyette wrote:Anybody who would get a moustache like that must be insane.

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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:37 am

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St George of England wrote:WW1 started on the Eastern Front. Russia declared war on Austria-Hungary who had declared war on Serbia. Germany declared war on Austria in response. Kaiser Wilhelm had no choice but to fight a war on two fronts.

I meant the mistake Hitler made was to fight on two front's wilingly.


I know German history dammit.


Not necessarily. It was either fight right then, or wait until an aggressive, fully modernized Soviet Union is ready to start the war on their terms with a military fully recovered from the purges, or strike first and wipe them out while it's still an option. Had Hitler not attacked the soviets when he did, they would have attacked him in the middle of fighting the British and they would have been even tougher foes.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:09 pm

I guess he had his weaknesses and strenghts like all persons. Some say a genious but an evil genious. The poll options should be more balanced. Yeah he knew what he was doing, but evil not insane.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:07 pm

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Sanyette wrote:Anybody who would get a moustache like that must be insane.

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Hilarious. :lol2:

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:22 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I guess he had his weaknesses and strenghts like all persons. Some say a genious but an evil genious. The poll options should be more balanced. Yeah he knew what he was doing, but evil not insane.

He wasn't a genius, in any sense of the word.
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:23 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:I guess he had his weaknesses and strenghts like all persons. Some say a genious but an evil genious. The poll options should be more balanced. Yeah he knew what he was doing, but evil not insane.

He wasn't a genius, in any sense of the word.


One could say he was a political genius, considering how many people he had basically eating out of the palm of his hand, but he was absolutely mediocre at best when it comes to everything else a statesman needs.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:26 pm

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:He wasn't a genius, in any sense of the word.


One could say he was a political genius, considering how many people he had basically eating out of the palm of his hand, but he was absolutely mediocre at best when it comes to everything else a statesman needs.

He did, however, fantastically (and legally) orchestrate his rise to power and was patient in doing so.

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Postby St George of England » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:34 pm

Beldonia wrote:
Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
One could say he was a political genius, considering how many people he had basically eating out of the palm of his hand, but he was absolutely mediocre at best when it comes to everything else a statesman needs.

He did, however, fantastically (and legally) orchestrate his rise to power and was patient in doing so.

Meh, he was quite lucky tbh. And he certainly didn't orchestrate the main reason he came to power, the Wall Street Crash and the worldwide recession that followed.
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Postby Churchilland » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:39 pm

I think he was fine at the beginning of his leadership but by the end he had gone mad. Probably from the constant fear and allied bombing raids on Berlin and other German cities.
But I also did hear he had a STD that made his brain rot, so maybe thats what made him mad.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:40 pm

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:He wasn't a genius, in any sense of the word.


One could say he was a political genius, considering how many people he had basically eating out of the palm of his hand, but he was absolutely mediocre at best when it comes to everything else a statesman needs.

That's not being a genius though. Thats just being able to realize that most people are morons and will trust and listen to anyone in a position of authority. See the Milgram experiment. People will ignore all of their personal morals and listen to a person because they think that guy is smart or important.
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No, he just sucked at interpreting Nietzsche.

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