Are Wisconsin Democrats doing the right thing?

[Sucrati]

Did the Democrats do the right thing when they seceded from the Union to defend the institution of slavery?

Yeah, I just went there.

Did the Democrats do the right thing when they passed the Civil Rights Act?

Eisenhower tried to pass a Civil Rights act in the 50s, however, congress said no... Democrat majority mind you, then LBJ had it passed, same thing, and the democrats were all about it, hypocritical? Yes.

See its all who's in the white house when either party passes certain acts that would benefit them the most.

No, the Democrats in any state that has left their post are not protesting for their constituents but just hiding, if they wish to protest for their constituents, maybe they ought to do it on the legislature floor. Eh?

I also live in Illinois its those Democrats and Chicago Politics that has led our state in its 13 to 15 Billion dollar deficit...

So?

Sure the republicans filibuster by doing annoying things, but they remain through to the end.

[Lacadaemon]

And just to point out, they are doing their job. Part of their job is defending the people and constitution of Wisconsin against Walker's corruption. If that means halting the legislative process, then so be it.

It's not that I mind oxes being gored. Just don't gore mine.

Honestly, 11th hour converts are particularly convincing.

[Geniasis]

Did the Democrats do the right thing when they passed the Civil Rights Act?

Eisenhower tried to pass a Civil Rights act in the 50s, however, congress said no... Democrat majority mind you, then LBJ had it passed, same thing, and the democrats were all about it, hypocritical? Yes.

See its all who's in the white house when either party passes certain acts that would benefit them the most.

No, the Democrats in any state that has left their post are not protesting for their constituents but just hiding, if they wish to protest for their constituents, maybe they ought to do it on the legislature floor. Eh?

I also live in Illinois its those Democrats and Chicago Politics that has led our state in its 13 to 15 Billion dollar deficit...

So?

Sure the republicans filibuster by doing annoying things, but they remain through to the end.

Am I the only one who's aware that there have been massive changes in the ideologies of both parties since then? I feel like I'm going crazy here.

[Bluth Corporation]

I believe they're doing wrong because they are still getting paid for technicaly not working and they are also working in Illinois and not paying taxes.

They could have at least stayed at a hotel in Wisconsin.

Seriously, if someone doesn't show up to work, he is fired. Republicans were completely justified in filibustering bills on the federal level.
But refusing to make a quorum because a loss is inevitable sets precedent -- don't like a potential outcome, well, don't show up to vote.

It's a legitimate check against a majority that has gone off the deep end.

No comment on whether that's the case in this instance; just an observation on the general principle.

[SaintB]

Did the Democrats do the right thing when they passed the Civil Rights Act?

Eisenhower tried to pass a Civil Rights act in the 50s, however, congress said no... Democrat majority mind you, then LBJ had it passed, same thing, and the democrats were all about it, hypocritical? Yes.

See its all who's in the white house when either party passes certain acts that would benefit them the most.

No, the Democrats in any state that has left their post are not protesting for their constituents but just hiding, if they wish to protest for their constituents, maybe they ought to do it on the legislature floor. Eh?

I also live in Illinois its those Democrats and Chicago Politics that has led our state in its 13 to 15 Billion dollar deficit...

So?

Sure the republicans filibuster by doing annoying things, but they remain through to the end.

By the laws of their state they cannot filibuster, the only option is to put a halt to the entire legislative process.

[Daistallia 2104]

No, the Democrats in any state that has left their post are not protesting for their constituents but just hiding, if they wish to protest for their constituents, maybe they ought to do it on the legislature floor. Eh?

Like Bob Packwood in 1988 who had to be dragged bodily out of his barricaded office to reach a quorum on a bill he opposed? The GOP did this in California as well, in the 70s IIRC. And so did Abraham Lincoln, the GOP's first US president, in 1840.

Sure the republicans filibuster by doing annoying things, but they remain through to the end.

Bullshit.

[Senestrum]

The ability to abstain should (lol australia) be a cornerstone of democracy.

Personally, I'm just stunned that part of the democratic party actually seems to have grown a sack.

[Daistallia 2104]

Am I the only one who's aware that there have been massive changes in the ideologies of both parties since then? I feel like I'm going crazy here.

Nope. I've been pointing out that todays' Democratic Party is to the right of my grandparents GOP and the GOP has moved all that much more to the far-right for quite some time now.

[Sucrati]

Eisenhower tried to pass a Civil Rights act in the 50s, however, congress said no... Democrat majority mind you, then LBJ had it passed, same thing, and the democrats were all about it, hypocritical? Yes.

See its all who's in the white house when either party passes certain acts that would benefit them the most.

No, the Democrats in any state that has left their post are not protesting for their constituents but just hiding, if they wish to protest for their constituents, maybe they ought to do it on the legislature floor. Eh?

I also live in Illinois its those Democrats and Chicago Politics that has led our state in its 13 to 15 Billion dollar deficit...

So?

Sure the republicans filibuster by doing annoying things, but they remain through to the end.

By the laws of their state they cannot filibuster, the only option is to put a halt to the entire legislative process.

Okay, then halt it by protesting with the actual protesters, instead of fleeing the state.

[Lacadaemon]

No, the Democrats in any state that has left their post are not protesting for their constituents but just hiding, if they wish to protest for their constituents, maybe they ought to do it on the legislature floor. Eh?

Like Bob Packwood in 1988 who had to be dragged bodily out of his barricaded office to reach a quorum on a bill he opposed? The GOP did this in California as well, in the 70s IIRC. And so did Abraham Lincoln, the GOP's first US president, in 1840.

Sure the republicans filibuster by doing annoying things, but they remain through to the end.

Bullshit.

Public sector workers sat back and watched the world burn for the past three decades. They didn't give a fuck because they had fat pensions, and fat salaries that let them shop in Walmart. Now they are about to get it, the democrats who rely upon them for their funding have suddenly found religion.

It's pathetic.

[SaintB]

By the laws of their state they cannot filibuster, the only option is to put a halt to the entire legislative process.

Okay, then halt it by protesting with the actual protesters, instead of fleeing the state.

As long as they are in the state they can be forced into quorum.

[Gauthier]

Another right wing tool thread wishing the Senators would bend over and let the Koch Brothers and any other Republican donor sodomize the American public.

[Lacadaemon]

Another right wing tool thread wishing the Senators would bend over and let the Koch Brothers and any other Republican donor sodomize the American public.

And it's true. The Koch brothers have always supported gay marriage. Which inevitably means more sodomy for the American public.

If only there were some kind of anti-sodomy movement who could stand up against this. Possibly a religious one that hates sodomy....

[Daistallia 2104]

Public sector workers sat back and watched the world burn for the past three decades. They didn't give a fuck because they had fat pensions, and fat salaries that let them shop in Walmart. Now they are about to get it, the democrats who rely upon them for their funding have suddenly found religion.

It's pathetic.

Being late to the party shouldn't necessarily mean being unwelcome...

[Daistallia 2104]

Another right wing tool thread wishing the Senators would bend over and let the Koch Brothers and any other Republican donor sodomize the American public.

And it's true. The Koch brothers have always supported gay marriage. Which inevitably means more sodomy for the American public.

If only there were some kind of anti-sodomy movement who could stand up against this. Possibly a religious one that hates sodomy....

Too bad anon's DDoSing that church and their hateful anti-sodomite website...

[Promisance]

I like all the people here who are trying to justify the absurdly immature behavior of the Democrats in Wisconsin.

[Gauthier]

I like all the people here who are trying to justify the absurdly immature behavior of the Democrats in Wisconsin.

Not as hilarious as the people trying to justify the systematic subversion of government process by the Republicans in Wisconsin.

[Neo Arcad]

They're being childish about it. Republicans, incompetent though they may be, are at least brave enough to not run away. They could have EASILY defeated Obamacare by just packing up and leaving, but they actually had SPINES, and stuck around and voted. They won, and Obama just used a loophole to bypass the democratic process and do whatever he wanted.

It's too bad they're so damn incompetent.
Libertarian Party 2012!!!!

[SaintB]

I like all the people here who are trying to justify the absurdly immature behavior of the Democrats in Wisconsin.

Whats immature about standing up for the rights of union workers that they fought so hard to receive? Aside from that this is the same things the Republicans around the nation have been doing especially on the federal level.

[Gauthier]

I like all the people here who are trying to justify the absurdly immature behavior of the Democrats in Wisconsin.

Whats immature about standing up for the rights of union workers that they fought so hard to receive? Aside from that this is the same things the Republicans around the nation have been doing especially on the federal level.

Remember, It's Okay If You Are A Republican.

[SaintB]

They're being childish about it. Republicans, incompetent though they may be, are at least brave enough to not run away. They could have EASILY defeated Obamacare by just packing up and leaving, but they actually had SPINES, and stuck around and voted. They won, and Obama just used a loophole to bypass the democratic process and do whatever he wanted.

It's too bad they're so damn incompetent.
Libertarian Party 2012!!!!

I lol'd hard at the sheer amount of wrongness in that statement.

[Promisance]

I like all the people here who are trying to justify the absurdly immature behavior of the Democrats in Wisconsin.

Whats immature about standing up for the rights of union workers that they fought so hard to receive? Aside from that this is the same things the Republicans around the nation have been doing especially on the federal level.

Oh there isn't anything wrong with standing up for the 'rights' of the union workers. The Democrats aren't standing up for anything, tho. They're literally running away to other states to avoid their elected responsibility.

[Gilthador]

Did Republicans do the right thing when they enacted the Patriot Act?

That's what I thought.

Did the Democrats do the right thing when they seceded from the Union to defend the institution of slavery?

Yeah, I just went there.

Well, the Republican and Democratic parties switched in the '30s. The philosophy of Civil War Democrats became that of the Republicans and vise-versa.

[Coffee Cakes]

WTF are the Dems in Wisconsin and Indiana thinking?!!

They got elected to try their best to represent the people not themselves, not Big Government Labor.
Being a bunch of wusses like the French post-WW1 ain't going to accomplish anything. They're a disgrace to themselves, their party, their voters, their districts, their states, and America.

And for that they deserve a giant b!tc#slap. But since it's hard to visualise that, they get this from me instead:



Bunch of idiots, those politicians are. It absolutely sickens me to know that they're in my country.

[Lacadaemon]

Public sector workers sat back and watched the world burn for the past three decades. They didn't give a fuck because they had fat pensions, and fat salaries that let them shop in Walmart. Now they are about to get it, the democrats who rely upon them for their funding have suddenly found religion.

It's pathetic.

Being late to the party shouldn't necessarily mean being unwelcome...

They got their 30 pieces of silver. Just because they didn't understand the real implications of taking them doesn't mean that they suddenly have some sort of legitimacy now.

I'm not against unionization. As I have said repeatedly on this forum: Unions are like guns; they can be used for good things or bad things, but in principle they are good thing.

But all I am hearing from WI is that a bunch of politicians will lose captive funding. So... um ... go fuck yourself. Broaden the campaign to include the massively underpaid in the private sector, I might start to think that they have recanted. I'm not hearing that. Not at all.