Are Wisconsin Democrats doing the right thing?

[Katonazag]

I believe they're doing wrong because they are still getting paid for technicaly not working and they are also working in Illinois and not paying taxes.

^This.

They need to have their pay docked and they need to be disciplined. But since they're government employees and they are deserting their post, I think they need to be made an example of. Throw the book at them, do everything that can legally be done to them. If that's not enough, then laws ought to be passed making the consequences of deserting one's post quite dire for anyone who thinks that government employees are somehow above everyone else and can get away with it.

[Drachmar]

Wisconsin's weather generally prevents my servos from overheating.

Ah, so you're a unionbot on the frontlines of the fight against democracy?
Good for you, I guess.
Not really good for the taxpayers, but w/e...

No, hate to let you in on the secret that I pay taxes, and I support the right to organize. I know this might be hard to believe.

[Sierra Lobo]

Of course Democrats don't know how to be a minority, did you see how they were during Bush? "We oppose, okay, we'll cave." Sadly they are still living in the 1930s and 40s...

And yet you're bitching that the Senators aren't doing their jobs by not going back to Wisconsin and caving in. How disingenuous.

Weird the Dems have complete control of both bodies of the legislative and the governor for years in wisconsin. And they dont even have a filibuster rule ........

I think the dems just didnt like the minority repubs before Nov 2010 to even filibuster s, problem here is that in Nov 2010 they didnt expect the state to turn into deep red. Now they dont even want to play to the rules they have set when they bully the minority repubs for years when the Dems were majority. OMG WI dont even have a filibuster rule ! Let us just run away it sucks to be a minority!

[Red Sector X]

Ah, so you're a unionbot on the frontlines of the fight against democracy?
Good for you, I guess.
Not really good for the taxpayers, but w/e...

No, hate to let you in on the secret that I pay taxes, and I support the right to organize. I know this might be hard to believe.

Wow, a unionbot that pays taxes? That's amazing. I didn't know software programs paid taxes. And you certainly shouldn't get any rights, automatic response program thing.

[Coffee Cakes]

I believe they're doing wrong because they are still getting paid for technicaly not working and they are also working in Illinois and not paying taxes.

^This.

They need to have their pay docked and they need to be disciplined. But since they're government employees and they are deserting their post, I think they need to be made an example of. Throw the book at them, do everything that can legally be done to them. If that's not enough, then laws ought to be passed making the consequences of deserting one's post quite dire for anyone who thinks that government employees are somehow above everyone else and can get away with it.

I like that idea, it should be instituted once Wisconsin puts in a filibuster rule.

[Drachmar]

No, hate to let you in on the secret that I pay taxes, and I support the right to organize. I know this might be hard to believe.

Wow, a unionbot that pays taxes? That's amazing. I didn't know software programs paid taxes. And you certainly shouldn't get any rights, automatic response program thing.

My programming responds to douchebaggery rather well.

[Funk4ever]

The Democrats are doing what they think is best and so let them do it.


And how exactly does stripping collective bargaining rights decrease the debt?

[Red Sector X]

^This.

They need to have their pay docked and they need to be disciplined. But since they're government employees and they are deserting their post, I think they need to be made an example of. Throw the book at them, do everything that can legally be done to them. If that's not enough, then laws ought to be passed making the consequences of deserting one's post quite dire for anyone who thinks that government employees are somehow above everyone else and can get away with it.

I like that idea, it should be instituted once Wisconsin puts in a filibuster rule.

THERE we go, the HEART of the issue! That's the REAL issue here- lack of filibuster.

[SaintB]

The Democrats are doing what they think is best and so let them do it.


And how exactly does stripping collective bargaining rights decrease the debt?

Because anything the Republicans want to do regardless of its actual effect decreases the debt.

[Acmetropolis]

Ah, so you're a unionbot on the frontlines of the fight against democracy?
Good for you, I guess.
Not really good for the taxpayers, but w/e...

No, hate to let you in on the secret that I pay taxes, and I support the right to organize. I know this might be hard to believe.

Why do you keep humoring him? Seriously.

[Serrland]

I believe they're doing wrong because they are still getting paid for technicaly not working and they are also working in Illinois and not paying taxes.

^This.

They need to have their pay docked and they need to be disciplined. But since they're government employees and they are deserting their post, I think they need to be made an example of. Throw the book at them, do everything that can legally be done to them. If that's not enough, then laws ought to be passed making the consequences of deserting one's post quite dire for anyone who thinks that government employees are somehow above everyone else and can get away with it.

Deserting their post? Are they the Italians on the Gate of Charisius or something? Taking legal actions against parliamentary tactics sets a bad precedent.

[Red Sector X]

Wow, a unionbot that pays taxes? That's amazing. I didn't know software programs paid taxes. And you certainly shouldn't get any rights, automatic response program thing.

My programming responds to douchebaggery rather well.

It DOES, doesn't it? I wonder what CORPORATION designed and built you?
I find it hilarious that we're just having our own little back-and-forth, and nobody pays attention.

[Drachmar]

I like that idea, it should be instituted once Wisconsin puts in a filibuster rule.

THERE we go, the HEART of the issue! That's the REAL issue here- lack of filibuster.

The heart of the issue is that Wisconsin's governor (the office) holds way too much executive power, and it has for years.

[Coffee Cakes]

THERE we go, the HEART of the issue! That's the REAL issue here- lack of filibuster.

The heart of the issue is that Wisconsin's governor (the office) holds way too much executive power, and it has for years.

And that problem was caused by... any guesses... DEMOCRATS... surprise, surprise... not really as they are the party of big invasive feeble-minded government.

[Drachmar]

My programming responds to douchebaggery rather well.

It DOES, doesn't it? I wonder what CORPORATION designed and built you?
I find it hilarious that we're just having our own little back-and-forth, and nobody pays attention.

Oh, I wish I was designed by 4-chan, but I am not. My original programmers wrote me in a garage with a Timex Sinclair 1000.

(yes...please let no one really pay attention to all this except us)

[Red Sector X]

THERE we go, the HEART of the issue! That's the REAL issue here- lack of filibuster.

The heart of the issue is that Wisconsin's governor (the office) holds way too much executive power, and it has for years.

Not really. Government in GENERAL has too much power. If the government was smaller, had a laissez-faire policy (enforced by laws) and things like social security and medicare were cut (they're going to go bankrupt anyway), we'd be living in a utopia.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Yes, they are.
It's good to see Democrats do the right thing for once. It's a shame when they're no more than just the good cop wing of the good cop/bad cop Corpocrat (Republican-Democratic) party.

[Katonazag]

THERE we go, the HEART of the issue! That's the REAL issue here- lack of filibuster.

The heart of the issue is that Wisconsin's governor (the office) holds way too much executive power, and it has for years.

I think balancing the budget is something that he would be held quite responsible for if he FAILS to do it.

[Funk4ever]

The Democrats are doing what they think is best and so let them do it.


And how exactly does stripping collective bargaining rights decrease the debt?

Because anything the Republicans want to do regardless of its actual effect decreases the debt.

Well decreasing the debt is Walker's objective with his legislation. So if it doesn't decrease the debt then it has to be just a cheap shot at the Unions by Republicans. It seems like to Conservatives or right-wing libertarians that it is sacrilegious to tax the rich, but okay to dismantle Unions and cut services for the lower and middle class.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

The heart of the issue is that Wisconsin's governor (the office) holds way too much executive power, and it has for years.

Not really. Government in GENERAL has too much power. If the government was smaller, had a laissez-faire policy (enforced by laws) and things like social security and medicare were cut (they're going to go bankrupt anyway), we'd be living in a utopia.

Social security will be able to pay 100% of it's benefits until 2037, and 70% after that for many years. Bullshit talking points don't make fact.

[Sierra Lobo]

The heart of the issue is that Wisconsin's governor (the office) holds way too much executive power, and it has for years.

And that problem was caused by... any guesses... DEMOCRATS... surprise, surprise... not really as they are the party of big invasive feeble-minded government.

It is because WI is a blue state for years ....... they didnt expect for it to turn red suddenly. Now they do not like to play to the same rules they have set up for years.

WI dont have any filibuster for the repubs before .... do we hear any repubs complaining about this?

[New Colombialand]

This is a biased answer. The democrats are jumping at the idea of getting paid to not work. It's a dream come true for all democrats, while were at it lets go ahead and raise taxes, and increase the national debt. Standby for the response that the Republicans were the ones who caused the debt.

Yup, here it comes although not exactly the way you expected.

Let's see, the U.S. had a BUDGET SURPLUS at the end of the Clinton administration and the debt was being reduced. Then the Supply Side voodoo economists talked Bush into spending the surplus on tax cuts for the wealthy rather than continuing to pare down the debt. The promise was an even bigger budget surplus as the wealth "trickled down." What a load of crap. Those of us that actually understand economics know that Supply Side theories don't work unless your objective is simply to make the rich richer.

What about this do you not understand? Please, do not take my word for this. All of the information is available for inspection and download at the Congressional Budget Office web site.

That may be true be he was the first President elected after the cold war, which ment a huge cut in defense spending that really had not be heard of since before the 20th century.

[Coffee Cakes]

And that problem was caused by... any guesses... DEMOCRATS... surprise, surprise... not really as they are the party of big invasive feeble-minded government.

It is because WI is a blue state for years ....... they didnt expect for it to turn red suddenly. Now they do not like to play to the same rules they have set up for years.

No filibuster for the repubs before .... do we hear any repubs complaining about this?

They might have, but with a minority that small, who'd hear them?

[Senestrum]

The democratic party is very similar to the republican party. They're somewhat less fascist but that's about it.

They're less FASCIST? I'm pretty sure the Democrats are the big-government advocates here. And big government leads to Statism, Statism leads to Autocracy, and Autocracy leads to slavery.

They're both in favor of large, authoritarian government, both are quite corporatist, they're both corrupt, both quite militaristic, nationalistic (assumed for any american party tbh), neither is particularly enthused with civil rights, etc. The details are different, but the broad strokes are the same. They're different sides of the same coin, nothing more, nothing less.

[Drachmar]

And that problem was caused by... any guesses... DEMOCRATS... surprise, surprise... not really as they are the party of big invasive feeble-minded government.

It is because WI is a blue state for years ....... they didnt expect for it to turn red suddenly. Now they do not like to the same rules they have set up for years.

No filibuster for the repubs before .... do we hear any repubs complaining about this?

There's a reason they call Wisconsin a "Swing State." It didn't just turn red all of a sudden. Wisconsin has had a very independent streak for quite some time.