How many of your political beliefs are based in morality?

[Smunkeeville]

Give me a percentage and examples.

Should people limit their political beliefs that are based on morality? Why?

I will come back later and post, I have to go. Have fun children! (I will not be able to clarify anything while I'm gone but lets say morality means a code of conduct or belief which is held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong. "Based on" means that you think this because it would be morally wrong to support the other option)

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

My morality is mostly based on the zero aggression principle, so nearly all of my social policy. I'm right wing on economics, but more pragmatic than the true Ayn Rand cultist.

I think that politics must always retain realism, as should morality. However, the level of realism in political beliefs must be more intense. If anyone has a political notion, it must be justified by reasoned argument. Therefore, "the bible says" or "it's just wrong" or "I just find it disgusting" aren't legitimate justifications. If you want me to follow a rule, you must justify it both in reason and in plausibility/benefit of enforcement. The reasonable default is to assume a law is invalid until it can be justified. The burden of proof is on the one proposing or supporting already extant laws.

[Hydesland]

All political beliefs are essentially moral beliefs. The only difference between a specifically moral belief, and a political belief, is that one is concerning what an individual ought to do, the other is concerning what the state/government ought to do, both are equally non empirical.

[United Dependencies]

alot (I don't know a percent) of my beliefs come from a more moderate enterpretation of the christian set of beliefs.

[Seculartopia]

Not Necessarily all of some peoples thoughts on morality, but who defines morality? morality is the values held by a person (duh, the basics for most, do not kill,etc.)

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

All political beliefs are essentially moral beliefs. The only difference between a specifically moral belief, and a political belief, is that one is concerning what an individual ought to do, the other is concerning what the state/government ought to do, both are equally non empirical.

We can actually test what political philosophies tend to do well for a nation, however. We can test this in terms of GDP, GDP per capita, health of average citizens, mental health of average citizens, crime rates, level of freedom, length of peace/level of war, etc.

[Unilisia]

I am an all around socialist, but mynation maintains a semi-isolationist policy towards all except my allies. Thus we fight to help them and those in need.

[Hydesland]

All political beliefs are essentially moral beliefs. The only difference between a specifically moral belief, and a political belief, is that one is concerning what an individual ought to do, the other is concerning what the state/government ought to do, both are equally non empirical.

We can actually test what political philosophies tend to do well for a nation, however. We can test this in terms of GDP, GDP per capita, health of average citizens, mental health of average citizens, crime rates, level of freedom, length of peace/level of war, etc.

Sure, that just means you're basing your beliefs on a broadly utilitarian basis, like what many economists do.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

All political beliefs are essentially moral beliefs. The only difference between a specifically moral belief, and a political belief, is that one is concerning what an individual ought to do, the other is concerning what the state/government ought to do, both are equally non empirical.

We can actually test what political philosophies tend to do well for a nation, however. We can test this in terms of GDP, GDP per capita, health of average citizens, mental health of average citizens, crime rates, level of freedom, length of peace/level of war, etc.

Sure, that just means you're basing your beliefs on a broadly utilitarian basis, like what many economists do.

I think there are good reasons to be more pragmatic with economic policy than with social policy.

[Surote]

1% ex.banning sex change or breast plasic surgey

People should not base there beliefs on morality,cause it usual backfires.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

1% ex.banning sex change or breast plasic surgey

People should not base there beliefs on morality,cause it usual backfires.

Why do you propose banning them? Sure, they are dangerous, but shouldn't that be the patient's choice, so long as the doctor is willing to provide the service?

[Hydesland]

1% ex.banning sex change or breast plasic surgey

People should not base there beliefs on morality,cause it usual backfires.

Give me an example of a political belief you have and its justification, and demonstrate to me how it is not based at all on morality.

[Saint Clair Island]

My political beliefs most often seem to coincide with those of the utilitarians. I'm not sure whether that counts as morality exactly.

[Surote]

Most of my belief are againist morality I support abortion, gay marriage and pubic ban on school prays so I have barley any morality

[Saint Clair Island]

Most of my belief are againist morality I support abortion, gay marriage and pubic ban on school prays so I have barley any morality

How could you possibly think school prays need to shave down there? You monster!

[The Tofu Islands]

Most of my belief are againist morality I support abortion, gay marriage and pubic ban on school prays so I have barley any morality

That isn't immoral, despite what fundies think. Morality isn't some hard-and-fast thing defined by one group of people. It's more like a set of principles that you follow.

As for me, most of my political beliefs are based {i,o}n morality to some extent, although I don't know exact percentages. I can't think of any specific examples, though.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Most of my belief are againist morality I support abortion, gay marriage and pubic ban on school prays so I have barley any morality

That isn't immoral, despite what fundies think. Morality isn't some hard-and-fast thing defined by one group of people. It's more like a set of principles that you follow.

As for me, most of my political beliefs are based {i,o}n morality to some extent, although I don't know exact percentages. I can't think of any specific examples, though.

Morality couldn't even work as a set of absolute do's and don'ts as one could easily find realistic scenarios to break any one of them.

[Aligeretha]

Poltics and morality have nothing to do with each other.

[Nadkor]

Poltics and morality have nothing to do with each other.

Politics and morality have everything to do with each other.

It's the same with law. Political beliefs and morality are intrisincally linked. Why would you advocate something if you didn't think it was right? Why would you be against something if you didn't think it was wrong, or that there was a better way of doing it?

[Nadkor]

1% ex.banning sex change or breast plasic surgey

People should not base there beliefs on morality,cause it usual backfires.

Why would you want to ban sex changes or breast surgery?

[No Names Left Damn It]

Wouldn't it be all? Because the 2 are intrinsically linked?

[Kormanthor]

My morality is mostly based on the zero aggression principle, so nearly all of my social policy. I'm right wing on economics, but more pragmatic than the true Ayn Rand cultist.

I think that politics must always retain realism, as should morality. However, the level of realism in political beliefs must be more intense. If anyone has a political notion, it must be justified by reasoned argument. Therefore, "the bible says" or "it's just wrong" or "I just find it disgusting" aren't legitimate justifications. If you want me to follow a rule, you must justify it both in reason and in plausibility/benefit of enforcement. The reasonable default is to assume a law is invalid until it can be justified. The burden of proof is on the one proposing or supporting already extant laws.

How about that God said so?

[No Names Left Damn It]

How about that God said so?

That argument fails, because it is about as worthy of recognition as "because Buddha said so", or "because the bah'ullah said so."

[The Tofu Islands]

How about that God said so?

Unless you feel like providing the place where She said it, it's not really helpful. And what's with the random smilies in your posts?

Oh and UnhealthyTruthseeker: feel like wandering over to the political compass thread? I'm curious as to where you are.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

My morality is mostly based on the zero aggression principle, so nearly all of my social policy. I'm right wing on economics, but more pragmatic than the true Ayn Rand cultist.

I think that politics must always retain realism, as should morality. However, the level of realism in political beliefs must be more intense. If anyone has a political notion, it must be justified by reasoned argument. Therefore, "the bible says" or "it's just wrong" or "I just find it disgusting" aren't legitimate justifications. If you want me to follow a rule, you must justify it both in reason and in plausibility/benefit of enforcement. The reasonable default is to assume a law is invalid until it can be justified. The burden of proof is on the one proposing or supporting already extant laws.

How about that God said so?

You must demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that god ACTUALLY said so. Also, even if god did say so, so what? Why must god never lie? What makes you think that if god exists, he is honest or even good?