Trench Warfare

[Hungarian Regions]

Is trench Warfare still a Viable means of defense today?

[AETEN II]

It dun work, these days a squad of four guys can bring down a city, so I'd say no.

[Maurepas]

It can be, in a large scale conventional war it can be done, though it would be part of a larger scheme of defense.

The problem is, there hasn't been a real war in awhile(at least for the US), Korea, Vietnam, Iraqs 1 and 2, and Afghanistan had no desire to defeat the US only wait them out. They had no hope of ever mounting a conventional offensive in the Mainland US or NATO.

[Hungarian Regions]

I ask this because i am currently in an rp where I am to be invaded and I am using trench warfare. Well in the OOC thread a debate has been going on on if it is effective or not. I believe is is an effective strategy.

[Mongolian Khanate]

In the Iran-Irak war, it was used

[Cilistia Novaren]

I ask this because i am currently in an rp where I am to be invaded and I am using trench warfare. Well in the OOC thread a debate has been going on on if it is effective or not. I believe is is an effective strategy.

Depends on what sort of weapons the other guy has

[AETEN II]

It doesn't work if both sides have advanced weaponry however, since unlike in WWI, our bombs do a lot more damage, a LOT

[Urkmanistan]

Possibly but with modern aircraft you better have a strong air force and a lot of sams and the like

[Farnhamia]

I ask this because i am currently in an rp where I am to be invaded and I am using trench warfare. Well in the OOC thread a debate has been going on on if it is effective or not. I believe is is an effective strategy.

It depends. If your opponent has air power equal to or beyond that of the 1930s, you're screwed.

[Wanderjar]

It can be, in a large scale conventional war it can be done, though it would be part of a larger scheme of defense.

The problem is, there hasn't been a real war in awhile(at least for the US), Korea, Vietnam, Iraqs 1 and 2, and Afghanistan had no desire to defeat the US only wait them out. They had no hope of ever mounting a conventional offensive in the Mainland US or NATO.

The Iran-Iraq war was predominately a trench war, so was the Afghan Civil War (prior to US intervention) so yes it's still viable. Air power largely makes it impractical, so most conflicts between equal third world nations will likely result in a trench war.

EDIT: The Korean War was and remains today a trench war.

[Wamitoria]

It works defensively, providing that your opponent doesn't have experience at combined operations, and their aircraft pilots/tank crews are ridiculously inexperienced, and you have awesome AT/AA weapons. Barring that, it doesn't work.

[Rusikstan]

I ask this because i am currently in an rp where I am to be invaded and I am using trench warfare. Well in the OOC thread a debate has been going on on if it is effective or not. I believe is is an effective strategy.

It depends. If your opponent has air power equal to or beyond that of the 1930s, you're screwed.

Unless he has AA power equal to or beyond that of the 1930s in which case he should be fine.

If your trenches are fortified and more than just a collection of holes then you can do it. You'll need men to keep the lines and force a hold. Watch out for arty, which is why fortification is needed. If you can stalemate your enemy in the air and keep safe during arty and "missile" attacks then it can work.

However it helps to know your position. Are you hunkering down on the beaches to prevent sea landing, or sitting in the ground for their people to run upon you? Can you hold his planes at bay? Otherwise you may have some problems.

[AETEN II]

It depends. If your opponent has air power equal to or beyond that of the 1930s, you're screwed.

Unless he has AA power equal to or beyond that of the 1930s in which case he should be fine.

If your trenches are fortified and more than just a collection of holes then you can do it. You'll need men to keep the lines and force a hold. Watch out for arty, which is why fortification is needed. If you can stalemate your enemy in the air and keep safe during arty and "missile" attacks then it can work.

However it helps to know your position. Are you hunkering down on the beaches to prevent sea landing, or sitting in the ground for their people to run upon you? Can you hold his planes at bay? Otherwise you may have some problems.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/s ... my_005.jpg
Oh no u dun't,


NLOS, trenches are fucked, you'd need to be many feet underground or be utterly destroyed, and there's always the B2 stealth bomber.

[The Corparation]

Iran-Iraq war.

[Urkmanistan]

Iran-Iraq war.

They didn't have much air power

[Wamitoria]

Iran-Iraq war.

Thank god they were both utterly shite at combined operations.

[Mediterreania]

It doesn't work if both sides have advanced weaponry however, since unlike in WWI, our bombs do a lot more damage, a LOT

Reminds me of that tragic scene from For Whom the Bell Tolls.

[Bradforsonia]

Trench warfare hasn't been viable between major powers in most locations since 1930's because of air and artillery technology.
However theoretically it could be used with floral cover overhead a.k.a. a forest.
There really hasn't been a major war between matched powers though since the 1940s so anything we can say between 1st world countries would be speculation. however as others have said a war between 2 third world countries (since when has that happened?) would probably take place in trenches.

[Rusikstan]

Unless he has AA power equal to or beyond that of the 1930s in which case he should be fine.

If your trenches are fortified and more than just a collection of holes then you can do it. You'll need men to keep the lines and force a hold. Watch out for arty, which is why fortification is needed. If you can stalemate your enemy in the air and keep safe during arty and "missile" attacks then it can work.

However it helps to know your position. Are you hunkering down on the beaches to prevent sea landing, or sitting in the ground for their people to run upon you? Can you hold his planes at bay? Otherwise you may have some problems.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/s ... my_005.jpg
Oh no u dun't,


NLOS, trenches are fucked, you'd need to be many feet underground or be utterly destroyed, and there's always the B2 stealth bomber.

I can bring out pictures too but it does not prove any point. We can sit and hit each other with arty and cruise missiles all fucking day, but that is dull. I doubt he is going to let B2s fly over, no selfrepecting NS airforce would. Again his actual position is unknown perhaps the arty isn't on the ground and you do not know the extent of his trenches or fortifications. Trench Warfare doesn't always mean the mud-slop of WWI. Since we also do not know what type of nations are fighting in this case you can't bring out something you know nothing more about than its picture.

[Mediterreania]

Trench warfare hasn't been viable between major powers in most locations since 1930's because of air and artillery technology.
However theoretically it could be used with floral cover overhead a.k.a. a forest.
There really hasn't been a major war between matched powers though since the 1940s so anything we can say between 1st world countries would be speculation. however as others have said a war between 2 third world countries (since when has that happened?) would probably take place in trenches.

1980. Iran-Iraq.

[Bradforsonia]

Trench warfare hasn't been viable between major powers in most locations since 1930's because of air and artillery technology.
However theoretically it could be used with floral cover overhead a.k.a. a forest.
There really hasn't been a major war between matched powers though since the 1940s so anything we can say between 1st world countries would be speculation. however as others have said a war between 2 third world countries (since when has that happened?) would probably take place in trenches.

1980. Iran-Iraq.

Iran is a third world country so is Iraq

[Mediterreania]

1980. Iran-Iraq.

Iran is a third world country so is Iraq

Yeah...he said "two third world countries."

Though, having been to Iran, I would object to that classification.

[Ifreann]

Is trench Warfare still a Viable means of defense today?

I take it you're not familiar with the aeroplane and its use in war.

[Minoriteeburg]

Is trench Warfare still a Viable means of defense today?

I take it you're not familiar with the aeroplane and its use in war.

Don't forget the choppers!

[Bradforsonia]

Iran is a third world country so is Iraq

Yeah...he said "two third world countries."

Though, having been to Iran, I would object to that classification.

Yeah a better distinction would probably be developed vs. developing instead of first world vs. third world since the latter classification is so subjective. The third world being a perceptual region.