Is School Slavery With Benifits?

[NERVUN]

No.

Maybe it would be a good way to ensure that everyone leaves high school with the ability to form coherent sentences instead of making a monstrosity like "helping the school pay shitty teachers with tenure's salaries." in an argument online.

Also, let's cut this "taxes are theft at gunpoint" nonsense. You don't want to pay taxes, you move somewhere that doesn't have taxes. I suggest Somalia. The rest of us like things like infrastructure, education and agencies that make sure our food isn't poisoned before we buy it.

Lol, it was a typo. But I think its sickening how this topic has turned into a grammar nazi orgy. You guys must go around snubbing people that you consider below you because they don't meet your standards of "intellectual". Thats a personal problem you guys need to work on imo. I don't really look down upon people for such petty reasons.

... I should frame this. I really should.

[Norstal]

Lol, it was a typo. But I think its sickening how this topic has turned into a grammar nazi orgy. You guys must go around snubbing people that you consider below you because they don't meet your standards of "intellectual". Thats a personal problem you guys need to work on imo. I don't really look down upon people for such petty reasons.

... I should frame this. I really should.

I'd rather you not NERVRUN.

[Geniasis]

No, I quite literally mean when the government collapsed it got better.

http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

"Literally" means 6 years later?

-Economics
-English grammar

I suppose we can add math and history to that list now.

[Dakini]

"Literally" means 6 years later?

-Economics
-English grammar

I suppose we can add math and history to that list now.

Critical thinking too: The paper was written in 2007. The first transitional government in Somalia was formed in 2004. So when the paper says that things started improving in 1997 and "today" certain indicators are above pre-government collapse levels, they mean that three years after Somalia got some semblance of a federal government, these indicators were better than prior to the government collapse.

[Geniasis]

-Economics
-English grammar

I suppose we can add math and history to that list now.

Critical thinking too: The paper was written in 2007. The first transitional government in Somalia was formed in 2004. So when the paper says that things started improving in 1997 and "today" certain indicators are above pre-government collapse levels, they mean that three years after Somalia got some semblance of a federal government, these indicators were better than prior to the government collapse.

My fault for not including it in the earlier list. This whole topic has been a testament to the lack of that virtue.

[Bendira]

I have serious doubts that any such homework could possibly be beneath your level of proficiency.

Wooooah, calling me out huh. I bet my dad could beat up your dad.

Take care not to OD on stupid, this thread is getting dangerously toxic.

You could stop posting here if you want. This isn't public school, you actually have a choice to leave.

Exactly. Don't you see, Sheeple? Bendira brilliantly and deliberately placed those errors as a way of demonstrating his contempt for the oppressive structures of the fascist language!

Witty, yet did not contribute to the conversation.

That or he's trying to backpedal and cover his ass. Could go either way.

Backpedal from what?

[Geniasis]

Wooooah, calling me out huh. I bet my dad could beat up your dad.

I'm merely pointing out that it seems unlikely that basic economics is below your understanding when you have so helpfully demonstrated on multiple occasions that you have a tenuous grasp on the subject matter, if that.

You could stop posting here if you want. This isn't public school, you actually have a choice to leave.

Why does one watch a car crash in a NASCAR race?

Witty, yet did not contribute to the conversation.

Indeed? And what, pray-tell, is the conversation? You boast about self-educating, yet display a profound ignorance on a variety of subjects. When this is pointed out, you accuse us of snobbery and then try to downplay the subject as unimportant. The few skills you have consistently demonstrated by contrast, you owe entirely to the very system you've been teen angsting about.

Backpedal from what?

From the fact that you made a grammatical error. Do try and follow the conversation.

[Bendira]

I'm merely pointing out that it seems unlikely that basic economics is below your understanding when you have so helpfully demonstrated on multiple occasions that you have a tenuous grasp on the subject matter, if that.

Care to point out an example?

Why does one watch a car crash in a NASCAR race?

Because they are a redneck?

Indeed? And what, pray-tell, is the conversation? You boast about self-educating, yet display a profound ignorance on a variety of subjects. When this is pointed out, you accuse us of snobbery and then try to downplay the subject as unimportant. The few skills you have consistently demonstrated by contrast, you owe entirely to the very system you've been teen angsting about.

I am pretty sure everybody, including yourself, is profoundly ignorant on a multitude of topics.

From the fact that you made a grammatical error. Do try and follow the conversation.

If I was backpedaling, I probably would have tried to cover it up, instead of saying that I did make it but simply do not care.

[Risna]

Slavery is a bit extreme but i agree with what you are saying. To force education on is as bad as extorting someone with a knife to their throat. If you do not want a education then why should you be forced?

[NERVUN]

Slavery is a bit extreme but i agree with what you are saying. To force education on is as bad as extorting someone with a knife to their throat. If you do not want a education then why should you be forced?

Oh, I dunno... maybe because children lack the capasity to judge if they should get one or not? Maybe because humans just aren't born with the skills needed to survive, let alone be sucessful in the world without one?

[Dakini]

Slavery is a bit extreme but i agree with what you are saying. To force education on is as bad as extorting someone with a knife to their throat. If you do not want a education then why should you be forced?

Educated individuals benefit society as a whole.

[Geniasis]

Care to point out an example?

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I am pretty sure everybody, including yourself, is profoundly ignorant on a multitude of topics.

The difference is that we don't make excuses for it or brag about how we're so awesome at "self-education."

In other words, it's not your mistakes that count as much as it is the hot air leading up to them.

If I was backpedaling, I probably would have tried to cover it up, instead of saying that I did make it but simply do not care.

Sure you don't.

[Dazchan]

Not only do most parents simply not have the skills to effectively teach reading

I disagree with that. It really doesn't take much to teach someone to read, as long as they actually want to learn to read. Hell, reading can be practically self-taught.

If that were true, no child would start Kindergarten reading at RRL0.

And I wouldn't have to run info sessions on how to help your child develop their reading skills.

You do realise that effective reading is more than "c-a-t makes cat", right?

A couple small Qs... given that N is presumably a minor:

1.) Where is N going to get the money to pay for a non-school institution to teach him?
2.) When is he going to be able to be able to escape home to get there?

1. Solution: abolish the laws that prohibit N from acquiring and owning property, working in non-exploitative jobs, etc.
2. Solution: make it illegal for parents to use force against their children to keep them in the home or to prevent them from going somewhere where they can learn things.

N is 9, and you want him to own property and enter the workforce? He wouldn't even be able to read the contracts he'd be signing.

Did you read the bit where he has to be collected by the principal because his parents won't voluntarily let him go? If the principal was not able to use the threat of the law to get him, then he wouldn't go. He wants to learn, I see it on the 3 days a week when he's there. His parents won't let him.

Like he could now? Except his parents won't let him attend without a fight?

Please demonstrate how creating other institutions that teach (we'll ignore the dictionary and refrain from calling them schools) would improve N's access to an education that his parents don't want him to have.

If his parents are using force to prevent N from going somewhere he wants to go where he can learn things, then his parents should be arrested. Once that happens, N would be able to voluntarily go to school or anywhere else to learn.

That's funny. I don't remember saying anything about the use of force.

He's not imprisoned, just prevented from going to school.

If his parents use force to keep N inside the home, then he's being imprisoned. If his parents don't use force to prevent him from leaving the home in general but do use force to prevent him from going to school in particular, then he's "just" being prevented from going to school. Either way, his parents have no right to use that force and they should be arrested so that N can voluntarily go to school if he chooses.

There is no force. Don't let that stop you from making ridiculous assumptions though.

[Bottle]

Lol, it was a typo. But I think its sickening how this topic has turned into a grammar nazi orgy. You guys must go around snubbing people that you consider below you because they don't meet your standards of "intellectual". Thats a personal problem you guys need to work on imo. I don't really look down upon people for such petty reasons.

... I should frame this. I really should.

I have never sigged a whole post before, but I'm tempted.

Although it might be a waste of time to frame one of Bendira's rambles about how persecuted he is and how everyone else is so very wrong, given that we're sure to get another of them tomorrow...

[Bottle]

Slavery is a bit extreme but i agree with what you are saying. To force education on is as bad as extorting someone with a knife to their throat. If you do not want a education then why should you be forced?

Good point. It should be against the law to teach your child to use utensils to eat. After all, I didn't want to learn that, I wanted to eat with my hands! How dare my parents force that education upon me? I didn't want to wear clothing, either, so how dare they teach me to put on my clothes in the morning? How dare my parents presume to impose their wicked learnings on my perfect child's brain?

[Selothey]

Democracy can't work without the whole of its citizens are educated well enough (which is already a problem today)...
Obviously some have forgotten that Democracy is not just "listening to nice words".

If you say, just teach those who want to be teached... you're dooming democracy to fail and return to a feudal system...

In essential... it's like saying "Bah, you don't need culture... just go back and live in caves! I just need to know how to hunt animals and use them!"

[Bendira]

Care to point out an example?

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I am pretty sure everybody, including yourself, is profoundly ignorant on a multitude of topics.

The difference is that we don't make excuses for it or brag about how we're so awesome at "self-education."

In other words, it's not your mistakes that count as much as it is the hot air leading up to them.

If I was backpedaling, I probably would have tried to cover it up, instead of saying that I did make it but simply do not care.

Sure you don't.

Cop out.

[Spazmagoog]

Decide wether or not School is like slavery. I consider it to be one myself, just Im paying them in taxes. Please reply.

It's compulsory, you have to work, you don't get paid. Sounds like slavery to me.

[Ifreann]

Decide wether or not School is like slavery. I consider it to be one myself, just Im paying them in taxes. Please reply.

It's compulsory, you have to work, you don't get paid. Sounds like slavery to me.

You get non-monetary payment, i.e. an education.

[Bottle]

It's compulsory, you have to work, you don't get paid. Sounds like slavery to me.

You get non-monetary payment, i.e. an education.

It's like they think that teachers want to get to grade papers for their own enjoyment or something. Maybe they think all those book reports on Catcher In The Rye are somehow valuable to the government, in and of themselves? Yes, the government wants to force children to produce precious, precious vocabulary lists! For the MASSIVE PROFITS! That is why they so exploit the labor of helpless students...because the backbone of our economy is getting 3rd graders to practice penmanship and write out the 7 times tables!

[Luna Amore]

Anyone have a real-world example of a country with optional, primary education? Preferably one where the child gets to decide what he wants to do.

[Ifreann]

You get non-monetary payment, i.e. an education.

It's like they think that teachers want to get to grade papers for their own enjoyment or something. Maybe they think all those book reports on Catcher In The Rye are somehow valuable to the government, in and of themselves? Yes, the government wants to force children to produce precious, precious vocabulary lists! For the MASSIVE PROFITS! That is why they so exploit the labor of helpless students...because the backbone of our economy is getting 3rd graders to practice penmanship and write out the 7 times tables!

I always enjoyed the 7 times tables. Possibly because whenever I mentioned times tables my Dad would ask me what's 7 times 7*.











*PROTIP: It's 49.

[Chumblywumbly]

Anyone have a real-world example of a country with optional, primary education? Preferably one where the child gets to decide what he wants to do.

It's not a public school system, but the Steiner Waldorf school system grants a great deal of leeway for a child to choose their own study.

Not that, of course, they're entirely free.

[Sdaeriji]

It's like they think that teachers want to get to grade papers for their own enjoyment or something. Maybe they think all those book reports on Catcher In The Rye are somehow valuable to the government, in and of themselves? Yes, the government wants to force children to produce precious, precious vocabulary lists! For the MASSIVE PROFITS! That is why they so exploit the labor of helpless students...because the backbone of our economy is getting 3rd graders to practice penmanship and write out the 7 times tables!

I always enjoyed the 7 times tables. Possibly because whenever I mentioned times tables my Dad would ask me what's 7 times 7*.












*PROTIP: It's 49.

The 7 times table was always the easiest for me because of football.

[Xomic]

You get non-monetary payment, i.e. an education.

It's like they think that teachers want to get to grade papers for their own enjoyment or something. Maybe they think all those book reports on Catcher In The Rye are somehow valuable to the government, in and of themselves? Yes, the government wants to force children to produce precious, precious vocabulary lists! For the MASSIVE PROFITS! That is why they so exploit the labor of helpless students...because the backbone of our economy is getting 3rd graders to practice penmanship and write out the 7 times tables!

How will the government know of important things like when two trains with pass one another if it isn't for child slavery!?