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Is School Slavery With Benfits?

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Postby Harata » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:34 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:Are pants slavery?


Sometimes 8)
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Postby Sdaeriji » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:38 pm

Harata wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:Are pants slavery?


Sometimes 8)


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Postby NERVUN » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:40 pm

Bendira wrote:Public education is a prison. Anybody that says otherwise is a liar. It clearly is a prison, you cannot leave. Now whether it has benefits or not is the actual question, personally id say no. The education you receive in the classroom can be obtained at a library for virtually free, and even a better education at that. What you pay for with your taxes is the prison infrustructure to cage in all the kids pretty much.

Thankfully it's already been shown that you live in your own little dream world and have no clue what you speak of.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:42 pm

Bendira wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Do they or do they not have absolute power over the students life, liberty and fortune? If you can't or won't answer, then bow the fuck out, grow up, and quit wasting our time with your misaimed ideological fanaticism.


Schools combined with government do, yes. Hell, these kids aren't even allowed to work if they want in our society. Hows that not slavery?

So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?

Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:45 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:
Harata wrote:
Sometimes 8)


Overthrow the denim oppressors!

Down with pants!
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Postby Quelesh » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:45 pm

I would call it part-time incarceration rather than slavery.

The Norwegian Blue wrote:A Helpful Guide For People Thinking of Comparing Something To Slavery

Please answer the following questions about the thing which you intend to compare to slavery.

1. Does it involve you physically being bought and sold for money?

2. Did anyone strip you naked, put you on a block, and force you to stand there while people inspected you to determine how much money you were worth?

3. Did it involve you being violently kidnapped from your home?

4. Has it ever put you in chains?

5. Does it rape you?

6. Does it threaten to kill you if you disobey?

7. How about your family? Does it threaten to kill them?

8. Does it force you to engage in strenuous physical labor for hours on end, and beat you if you so much as try to rest?

9. Does it leave you in constant fear of your life?

10. If you get pregnant, does it take your children away and sell them?

11. Is it almost unimaginably more awful than having to do your pre-algebra homework?

If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations! Your comparison is a ridiculous piece of hyperbole!


The OP isn't comparing school to the institution of slavery of blacks by whites as it was practiced in 18th and 19th century America. He/she is comparing it to the dictionary definition, which isn't too far off, especially definition 2:

2. A condition of subjection or submission characterized by lack of freedom of action or of will.


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Bendira wrote:Public education is a prison. Anybody that says otherwise is a liar. It clearly is a prison, you cannot leave.


By which logic, the Earth, and life, itself, are both prisons, too.

Meaningless mantra in place of thought. It gets old real quick.


No one uses force to prevent me from leaving the Earth, but the force of law, backed up by armed agents of the state, is used to compel school attendance. A young person who refuses to go to school will eventually be arrested by armed state agents and locked up in some kind of prison for that refusal.
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Postby Ferkas » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:47 pm

No, its not. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is slavery.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:48 pm

Quelesh wrote:I
No one uses force to prevent me from leaving the Earth, but the force of law, backed up by armed agents of the state, is used to compel school attendance. A young person who refuses to go to school will eventually be arrested by armed state agents and locked up in some kind of prison for that refusal.


And yet, no ownership.

Children are not autonomous, which is something that's worth bearing in mind. The fact that other people have to make their legal decisions for them, does not equate to slavery.
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Postby NERVUN » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:48 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Overthrow the denim oppressors!

Down with pants!

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Tom: What do they got that I ain't got?
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Tom: Well, you can say that again Huh?
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Postby Bendira » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:49 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Bendira wrote:Public education is a prison. Anybody that says otherwise is a liar. It clearly is a prison, you cannot leave. Now whether it has benefits or not is the actual question, personally id say no. The education you receive in the classroom can be obtained at a library for virtually free, and even a better education at that. What you pay for with your taxes is the prison infrustructure to cage in all the kids pretty much.

Thankfully it's already been shown that you live in your own little dream world and have no clue what you speak of.


Source?
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Postby Orlkjestad » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:49 pm

Disgruntled teenager, ho!

Your OP has no point to it, and is 100% bull. Keep in mind I'm currently attending school.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:50 pm

Bendira wrote:
NERVUN wrote:Thankfully it's already been shown that you live in your own little dream world and have no clue what you speak of.


Source?


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Postby Sdaeriji » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:51 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:58 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:One wonders what the age of the OP is. I bet, without a doubt, that it is someone in his/her teens.


That's how it usually turns out. What adult idiots make out of taxation, young idiots make out of schooling.



what about those who go on about taxation for schooling? ( in the US anyway most school taxes are local in nature, not federal).
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The Norwegian Blue wrote:snip

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Postby Bendira » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:04 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Bendira wrote:
Schools combined with government do, yes. Hell, these kids aren't even allowed to work if they want in our society. Hows that not slavery?

So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?

Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.


Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.

The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:14 pm

Bendira wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?

Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.


Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years.


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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:15 pm

Bendira wrote:Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.

The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.

If you think, even for a minute, that even a sixteen year old is mature enough and educated enough to be set out on the world, you've got another thing coming. I don't care how smart you think you are, I know from experience that almost no one is ready for it.

I was a child prodigy. 99th percentile on the SAT, 4.0 student, valedictorian of my high school class. I am one of best essayists many of my profs have ever seen. And guess what? I just turned 22, and I still doubt I'm mature enough to be on my own, hold a steady relationship, or anything like that. Somethings only come with time and experience. And there have been plenty of people who have had exceptions made for them becasue they proved they were capable of it.

So if you thought you were ready, you should have seen about moving up in grades or seeing if you could graduate early.

And you still haven't answered my god damn question.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:16 pm

Bendira wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?

Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.


Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.

The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.


It's like you're allergic to answering direct questions.

You haven't been able to accomplish the vast majority of your goals because you're fucking 20.
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Postby Bendira » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:18 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Bendira wrote:Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.

The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.

If you think, even for a minute, that even a sixteen year old is mature enough and educated enough to be set out on the world, you've got another thing coming. I don't care how smart you think you are, I know from experience that almost no one is ready for it.

I was a child prodigy. 99th percentile on the SAT, 4.0 student, valedictorian of my high school class. I am one of best essayists many of my profs have ever seen. And guess what? I just turned 22, and I still doubt I'm mature enough to be on my own, hold a steady relationship, or anything like that. Somethings only come with time and experience. And there have been plenty of people who have had exceptions made for them becasue they proved they were capable of it.

So if you thought you were ready, you should have seen about moving up in grades or seeing if you could graduate early.

And you still haven't answered my god damn question.


The second paragraph answered your question. Sixteen year olds aren't mature enough to be set out in the real world because our society coddles them to the point of making them virtually non-functional.
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Postby NERVUN » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:22 pm

Bendira wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?

Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.


Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.

The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:23 pm

Bendira wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:If you think, even for a minute, that even a sixteen year old is mature enough and educated enough to be set out on the world, you've got another thing coming. I don't care how smart you think you are, I know from experience that almost no one is ready for it.

I was a child prodigy. 99th percentile on the SAT, 4.0 student, valedictorian of my high school class. I am one of best essayists many of my profs have ever seen. And guess what? I just turned 22, and I still doubt I'm mature enough to be on my own, hold a steady relationship, or anything like that. Somethings only come with time and experience. And there have been plenty of people who have had exceptions made for them becasue they proved they were capable of it.

So if you thought you were ready, you should have seen about moving up in grades or seeing if you could graduate early.

And you still haven't answered my god damn question.


The second paragraph answered your question. Sixteen year olds aren't mature enough to be set out in the real world because our society coddles them to the point of making them virtually non-functional.


No, sixteen-year-olds aren't mature enough because they aren't mature enough.

The fact that a lot of our own history, and the present reality in a lot of less fortunate places, is defined by immature people fucking up their own lives, and those of others, doesn't mean it's a desirable reality in a modern, civilised society.
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:40 pm

Quelesh wrote:I would call it part-time incarceration rather than slavery.

The Norwegian Blue wrote:A Helpful Guide For People Thinking of Comparing Something To Slavery

Please answer the following questions about the thing which you intend to compare to slavery.

1. Does it involve you physically being bought and sold for money?

2. Did anyone strip you naked, put you on a block, and force you to stand there while people inspected you to determine how much money you were worth?

3. Did it involve you being violently kidnapped from your home?

4. Has it ever put you in chains?

5. Does it rape you?

6. Does it threaten to kill you if you disobey?

7. How about your family? Does it threaten to kill them?

8. Does it force you to engage in strenuous physical labor for hours on end, and beat you if you so much as try to rest?

9. Does it leave you in constant fear of your life?

10. If you get pregnant, does it take your children away and sell them?

11. Is it almost unimaginably more awful than having to do your pre-algebra homework?

If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations! Your comparison is a ridiculous piece of hyperbole!


The OP isn't comparing school to the institution of slavery of blacks by whites as it was practiced in 18th and 19th century America. He/she is comparing it to the dictionary definition, which isn't too far off, especially definition 2:

2. A condition of subjection or submission characterized by lack of freedom of action or of will.


Grave_n_idle wrote:
By which logic, the Earth, and life, itself, are both prisons, too.

Meaningless mantra in place of thought. It gets old real quick.


No one uses force to prevent me from leaving the Earth, but the force of law, backed up by armed agents of the state, is used to compel school attendance. A young person who refuses to go to school will eventually be arrested by armed state agents and locked up in some kind of prison for that refusal.


1. Thank you for freely and expressly admitting that even those arguing "school is slavery" are not using the primary definition or meaning "real" slavery, but rather referring to a more loose and allegorical use of the term "slavery."

2. Lest there be any doubt, no one's life is actually forfeit in public school. One's liberty or fortune may be curtailed, but neither is absolute controlled or forfeit in public schools.

slavery, n. Oxford English Dictionary Second edition, 1989; online version November 2010. <http://www.oed.com:80/Entry/181498>; accessed 25 February 2011. Earlier version first published in New English Dictionary, 1911:

1. Severe toil like that of a slave; heavy labour, hard work, drudgery.

2. Conduct befitting a slave; ignoble, base, or unbecoming behaviour. Obs. rare.

3.
a.
The condition of a slave; the fact of being a slave; servitude; bondage.


b. fig. The condition or fact of being entirely subject to, or under the domination of, some power or influence.

c. A state of subjection or subordination comparable to that of a slave; also with pl., an instance of this.

. . .

slave, n./1 (and adj.) OXford English Dictionary Second edition, 1989; online version November 2010. <http://www.oed.com:80/Entry/181477>; accessed 25 February 2011. Earlier version first published in New English Dictionary, 1911:

1.
a.
One who is the property of, and entirely subject to, another person, whether by capture, purchase, or birth; a servant completely divested of freedom and personal rights.
. . .

2.
a.
transf. One who submits in a servile manner to the authority or dictation of another or others; a submissive or devoted servant.

b. fig. One who is completely under the domination of, or subject to, a specified influence.

3. One whose condition in respect of toil is comparable to that of a slave.
. . .

See, e.g., "slavery" Black's Law Dictionary 1515 (9th Ed. 2009) (Slavery is "a situation in which one person has absolute power over the life, fortune, and liberty of another" or "the practice of keeping individuals in such a state of bondage or servitude."); "slavery" Black's Law Dictionary 1345 (5th Ed. 1979) ("The condition of a slave, that civil relation in which one man has absolute power over the life, fortune, and liberty of another. ..."); "slave" Black's Law Dictionary 1515 (9th Ed. 2009) ("see servus"); "servus. n [Latin]" Black's Law Dictionary 1494 (9th Ed. 2009) ("A slave; a human being who was property, and could be bought, sold, pledged, and testated. ..."); "slave" Black's Law Dictionary 1345 (5th Ed. 1979)(""A person who is wholly subject to the will of another; a person who has no freedom of action, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another. One who is under the power of a master, and who belongs to him; so that the master may sell and dispose of his person, of his industry, and of his labor, without his being abole to do anything, have anything, or acquire anything, but what must belong to his master. ...").

3. Your own answer makes clear that school is not really "a prison." You distinguish between school and the place one could (in your imagination) end up if one failed to comply with mandatory attendance laws. What is the second place? "Some kind of prison." "Nuff said.
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Postby The Rubble Belt » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:50 pm

My schooling isn't really slavery but it's close. We were made to wear our full winter uniforms, blazers and all, on a 40* Celsius day and we couldn't get changed after leaving the grounds because they school stations teachers at all the local public transport stops. It's not slavery it's torture.

And this happens year after year.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:52 pm

Revenans wrote:Decide wether or not School is like slavery. I consider it to be one myself, just Im paying them in taxes. Please reply.

If you can't spell, apparently not.
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