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by NERVUN » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:40 pm
Bendira wrote:Public education is a prison. Anybody that says otherwise is a liar. It clearly is a prison, you cannot leave. Now whether it has benefits or not is the actual question, personally id say no. The education you receive in the classroom can be obtained at a library for virtually free, and even a better education at that. What you pay for with your taxes is the prison infrustructure to cage in all the kids pretty much.
by Trotskylvania » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:42 pm
Bendira wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:Do they or do they not have absolute power over the students life, liberty and fortune? If you can't or won't answer, then bow the fuck out, grow up, and quit wasting our time with your misaimed ideological fanaticism.
Schools combined with government do, yes. Hell, these kids aren't even allowed to work if they want in our society. Hows that not slavery?
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by Quelesh » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:45 pm
The Norwegian Blue wrote:A Helpful Guide For People Thinking of Comparing Something To Slavery
Please answer the following questions about the thing which you intend to compare to slavery.
1. Does it involve you physically being bought and sold for money?
2. Did anyone strip you naked, put you on a block, and force you to stand there while people inspected you to determine how much money you were worth?
3. Did it involve you being violently kidnapped from your home?
4. Has it ever put you in chains?
5. Does it rape you?
6. Does it threaten to kill you if you disobey?
7. How about your family? Does it threaten to kill them?
8. Does it force you to engage in strenuous physical labor for hours on end, and beat you if you so much as try to rest?
9. Does it leave you in constant fear of your life?
10. If you get pregnant, does it take your children away and sell them?
11. Is it almost unimaginably more awful than having to do your pre-algebra homework?
If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations! Your comparison is a ridiculous piece of hyperbole!
2. A condition of subjection or submission characterized by lack of freedom of action or of will.
by Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:48 pm
Quelesh wrote:I
No one uses force to prevent me from leaving the Earth, but the force of law, backed up by armed agents of the state, is used to compel school attendance. A young person who refuses to go to school will eventually be arrested by armed state agents and locked up in some kind of prison for that refusal.
by NERVUN » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:48 pm
by Bendira » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:49 pm
NERVUN wrote:Bendira wrote:Public education is a prison. Anybody that says otherwise is a liar. It clearly is a prison, you cannot leave. Now whether it has benefits or not is the actual question, personally id say no. The education you receive in the classroom can be obtained at a library for virtually free, and even a better education at that. What you pay for with your taxes is the prison infrustructure to cage in all the kids pretty much.
Thankfully it's already been shown that you live in your own little dream world and have no clue what you speak of.
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by United Dependencies » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:01 pm
The Norwegian Blue wrote:snip
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by Bendira » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:04 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Bendira wrote:
Schools combined with government do, yes. Hell, these kids aren't even allowed to work if they want in our society. Hows that not slavery?
So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?
Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.
by Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:14 pm
Bendira wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?
Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.
Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years.
by Trotskylvania » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:15 pm
Bendira wrote:Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.
The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Sdaeriji » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:16 pm
Bendira wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?
Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.
Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.
The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.
by Bendira » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:18 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Bendira wrote:Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.
The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.
If you think, even for a minute, that even a sixteen year old is mature enough and educated enough to be set out on the world, you've got another thing coming. I don't care how smart you think you are, I know from experience that almost no one is ready for it.
I was a child prodigy. 99th percentile on the SAT, 4.0 student, valedictorian of my high school class. I am one of best essayists many of my profs have ever seen. And guess what? I just turned 22, and I still doubt I'm mature enough to be on my own, hold a steady relationship, or anything like that. Somethings only come with time and experience. And there have been plenty of people who have had exceptions made for them becasue they proved they were capable of it.
So if you thought you were ready, you should have seen about moving up in grades or seeing if you could graduate early.
And you still haven't answered my god damn question.
by NERVUN » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:22 pm
Bendira wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:So preventing others from exploiting someone in a position of helplessness is somehow tantamount to slavery. And how does it given anyone absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another?
Stop stalling and answer the fucking question.
Who is exploiting someone in a position of helplessnes? Maybe it is the people who force the kids to spend the first third of their life in the classroom. I can't even imagine what I could have accomplished if I wasn't rotting in public school all those years. I am 20 and haven't had time to accomplish the vast majority of my goals. Although I have managed to save quite a bit of money.
The government prevents children from being places other than public school, or fulfilling certain education requirements, essentially taking time away from the children. This time could be spent living their lives, exercising their liberties building their fortunes.
by Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:23 pm
Bendira wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:If you think, even for a minute, that even a sixteen year old is mature enough and educated enough to be set out on the world, you've got another thing coming. I don't care how smart you think you are, I know from experience that almost no one is ready for it.
I was a child prodigy. 99th percentile on the SAT, 4.0 student, valedictorian of my high school class. I am one of best essayists many of my profs have ever seen. And guess what? I just turned 22, and I still doubt I'm mature enough to be on my own, hold a steady relationship, or anything like that. Somethings only come with time and experience. And there have been plenty of people who have had exceptions made for them becasue they proved they were capable of it.
So if you thought you were ready, you should have seen about moving up in grades or seeing if you could graduate early.
And you still haven't answered my god damn question.
The second paragraph answered your question. Sixteen year olds aren't mature enough to be set out in the real world because our society coddles them to the point of making them virtually non-functional.
by The Cat-Tribe » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:40 pm
Quelesh wrote:I would call it part-time incarceration rather than slavery.The Norwegian Blue wrote:A Helpful Guide For People Thinking of Comparing Something To Slavery
Please answer the following questions about the thing which you intend to compare to slavery.
1. Does it involve you physically being bought and sold for money?
2. Did anyone strip you naked, put you on a block, and force you to stand there while people inspected you to determine how much money you were worth?
3. Did it involve you being violently kidnapped from your home?
4. Has it ever put you in chains?
5. Does it rape you?
6. Does it threaten to kill you if you disobey?
7. How about your family? Does it threaten to kill them?
8. Does it force you to engage in strenuous physical labor for hours on end, and beat you if you so much as try to rest?
9. Does it leave you in constant fear of your life?
10. If you get pregnant, does it take your children away and sell them?
11. Is it almost unimaginably more awful than having to do your pre-algebra homework?
If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations! Your comparison is a ridiculous piece of hyperbole!
The OP isn't comparing school to the institution of slavery of blacks by whites as it was practiced in 18th and 19th century America. He/she is comparing it to the dictionary definition, which isn't too far off, especially definition 2:2. A condition of subjection or submission characterized by lack of freedom of action or of will.Grave_n_idle wrote:
By which logic, the Earth, and life, itself, are both prisons, too.
Meaningless mantra in place of thought. It gets old real quick.
No one uses force to prevent me from leaving the Earth, but the force of law, backed up by armed agents of the state, is used to compel school attendance. A young person who refuses to go to school will eventually be arrested by armed state agents and locked up in some kind of prison for that refusal.
by The Rubble Belt » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:50 pm
by Norstal » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:52 pm
Revenans wrote:Decide wether or not School is like slavery. I consider it to be one myself, just Im paying them in taxes. Please reply.
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