Russian Poli Sci Professor predicts US to break up(old).

[Grave_n_idle]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-infowar-analyst-says-us-will-break-apart.html

Interesting, though not likely.
Where he has Oklahoma and Louisiana going seems off.
The Economy/people of Oklahoma is nothing like the Desert areas out west.
Also Louisiana differs greatly from the rest of the South.
It seems much more likely those two states would seek to be joined with Texas.

Seems like a reasonable prediction, although I think his perspective is causing him to overstate the importance of ethnic demography.

A Biblebelt 'secession' might be believable.

I tend to favor a Marxist view in these regards. States will tend to lump together based on economics more then religious grounds.
Oklahoma, Texas and Louisiana make a good bit of money from oil, and the refining of oil.
The only real wild card with Oklahoma is with all those reservations god knows where the native Americans will want to side with.

California presents a problem. It's obviously most at home with the upper east coast... in every respect but an evil conspiracy of geography.

[Autumn Wind]

five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

Toss this one in the "doesn't know what he's talking about" pile.

[Grays Harbor]

California presents a problem. It's obviously most at home with the upper east coast... in every respect but an evil conspiracy of geography.

It depends on which part of California you refer to at any particular time. San Fran, L.A., Sacramento... yeah, with the N.E.

San Diego, the central valley, everything north of the Sacramento River, not so much

[Greed and Death]

Seems like a reasonable prediction, although I think his perspective is causing him to overstate the importance of ethnic demography.

A Biblebelt 'secession' might be believable.

I tend to favor a Marxist view in these regards. States will tend to lump together based on economics more then religious grounds.
Oklahoma, Texas and Louisiana make a good bit of money from oil, and the refining of oil.
The only real wild card with Oklahoma is with all those reservations god knows where the native Americans will want to side with.

California presents a problem. It's obviously most at home with the upper east coast... in every respect but an evil conspiracy of geography.

It is large enough to be on its own I think. 5th largest economy in the world. They might even have enough oil for domestic consumption for a few years.

[Grays Harbor]

It is large enough to be on its own I think. 5th largest economy in the world. They might even have enough oil for domestic consumption for a few years.

California cannot be permitted to leave the union.

if they left, where would the rest of the country get their steady stream of blond beach bimbos from?

[Aligeretha]

As a Hoosier I can confidently say that it's got plenty of nutters.

Hmm, I was in Indiana for a while but that was years ago. Has it gone downhill that badly since I left?

Indiana is such a mysterious state that doesn't seem to fit into any sort of demographic that I forget it's an actual place and I live in Ohio.

Not really, it's just either the most northern southern state in the union or the most southern northern state in the union.

[Grave_n_idle]

It is large enough to be on its own I think. 5th largest economy in the world. They might even have enough oil for domestic consumption for a few years.

California cannot be permitted to leave the union.

if they left, where would the rest of the country get their steady stream of blond beach bimbos from?

Florida?

They're just... more mature.

[Greed and Death]

It is large enough to be on its own I think. 5th largest economy in the world. They might even have enough oil for domestic consumption for a few years.

California cannot be permitted to leave the union.

if they left, where would the rest of the country get their steady stream of blond beach bimbos from?

They just drain your wallet like it was going out of style.
The economies of the US would be far better without them.

[Grays Harbor]

It is large enough to be on its own I think. 5th largest economy in the world. They might even have enough oil for domestic consumption for a few years.

California cannot be permitted to leave the union.

if they left, where would the rest of the country get their steady stream of blond beach bimbos from?

Florida?

They're just... more mature.

that is just ... wrong! On most any level known to man.

I need brainbleach now.

[Grave_n_idle]

I tend to favor a Marxist view in these regards. States will tend to lump together based on economics more then religious grounds.
Oklahoma, Texas and Louisiana make a good bit of money from oil, and the refining of oil.
The only real wild card with Oklahoma is with all those reservations god knows where the native Americans will want to side with.

California presents a problem. It's obviously most at home with the upper east coast... in every respect but an evil conspiracy of geography.

It is large enough to be on its own I think. 5th largest economy in the world. They might even have enough oil for domestic consumption for a few years.

California could probably survive on it's own. Perhaps, better than any other territory or set of territories. But ideologically, I imagine it would remain close to the bulk of the west and upper east coasts.

[Lizardiar]

if they left, where would the rest of the country get their steady stream of blond beach bimbos from?

Florida?

They're just... more mature.

that is just ... wrong! On most any level known to man.

I need brainbleach now.

What are you talking about?*Thinks about it*

AHHHHH MENTAL IMAGES!!! GET THEM OUT!!!!

[Grave_n_idle]

The economies of the US would be far better without them.

Them?

Libertarians?

[Grave_n_idle]

California cannot be permitted to leave the union.

if they left, where would the rest of the country get their steady stream of blond beach bimbos from?

Florida?

They're just... more mature.

that is just ... wrong! On most any level known to man.

I need brainbleach now.

What do they call those little bits of floss with triangles of fabric? 'String-kini', something like that?

I think it would be much more comfortable if there were already nice deep creases and folds to stop those things slipping around...

[Greed and Death]

California presents a problem. It's obviously most at home with the upper east coast... in every respect but an evil conspiracy of geography.

It is large enough to be on its own I think. 5th largest economy in the world. They might even have enough oil for domestic consumption for a few years.

California could probably survive on it's own. Perhaps, better than any other territory or set of territories. But ideologically, I imagine it would remain close to the bulk of the west and upper east coasts.

In the days of free trade I don't think any of tax donor states would be hurt by it.
this is provided the break up is peaceful, and all states join Nafta. Maybe expand the power of Nafta a little, like have a Nafta congress and a Nafta currency.

[Greed and Death]

The economies of the US would be far better without them.

Them?

Libertarians?

blond bimbos.

[Chrobalta]

[Grave_n_idle]

The economies of the US would be far better without them.

Them?

Libertarians?

blond bimbos.

Gotcha. Not all libertarians are blonde.

[South Lorenya]

On a side note, if I get dragooned into writing about a shattered union situation (unlikely, but...) it'd most likely be an alternate-history version of Bush v. Gore where the election is decided by gunfire instead of the supreme court.

Then we'd have one guy claiming they won fair and square and the other guy claiming his opponent disqualified himself by ordering a hit on "the president-elect". Frankly, it'd likely take a LOT to break the US in two (or more).

[Maurepas]

The Economy/people of Oklahoma is nothing like the Desert areas out west.
Also Louisiana differs greatly from the rest of the South.
It seems much more likely those two states would seek to be joined with Texas.

Well, I disagree...at least about Louisiana, possibly the north western parts would like to go with Texas, but New Orleans, and Acadiana are much closer to the Mississippi Gulf Coast and would more likely come our way...

but, the professor himself is spouting bullshit anyway, noone but Texas and Maybe Georgia really has the stomach for this sort of thing...especially not New England or the Midwest...

[Kiregpanzer]

Anybody else find it funny how in every "Divided States of America" scenario there's always a New Confederacy, usually one that bears little in common with the old other than geography)?

[Maurepas]

Anybody else find it funny how in every "Divided States of America" scenario there's always a New Confederacy, usually one that bears little in common with the old other than geography)?

Well, we tend to think of ourselves as a unit,

[Kiregpanzer]

Anybody else find it funny how in every "Divided States of America" scenario there's always a New Confederacy, usually one that bears little in common with the old other than geography)?

Well, we tend to think of ourselves as a unit,

*shrugs*

Frankly it seems like some of the old Confederacy - like Louisiana and Arkansas - would be more like to shack up with Texas. Oklahoma and New Mexico would probably join them.

We could all then have a really wild party and wake up in the morning only to realize we accidentally conquered Mexico.

[Maurepas]

Anybody else find it funny how in every "Divided States of America" scenario there's always a New Confederacy, usually one that bears little in common with the old other than geography)?

Well, we tend to think of ourselves as a unit,

*shrugs*

Frankly it seems like some of the old Confederacy - like Louisiana and Arkansas - would be more like to shack up with Texas. Oklahoma and New Mexico would probably join them.

We could all then have a really wild party and wake up in the morning only to realize we accidentally conquered Mexico.

Meh, maybe Oklahoma or Arkansas...I live over here by Louisiana though, I dont find them going to Texas...

Plus with the large number of Hispanics and the projections that they will soon be the majority in Texas, Id personally find it more likely that they would be the ones being conquered by Mexico...

[Kiregpanzer]

I think between the National Guard, State Defense Force, and miscellaneous people with guns, we probably outclass the Mexican Army and Air Force.

[Maurepas]

I think between the National Guard, State Defense Force, and miscellaneous people with guns, we probably outclass the Mexican Army and Air Force.

Oh, no doubt...Its when the Hispanics are in the majority and want to be part of Mexico that will be the problem,