What is responsible for conservative American ignorance?

[Progressive Americans]

This is a general poll on what is primarily responsible for general American conservative ignorance as in lack of knowing, information, etc. This is if you believe they are really ignorant or just willfully ignorant. This is not necessarily the GOP party elite or the wealthy types or necessarily such niches as evangelicals, but the general overall ignorance of say the average Fox News viewer and Tea Party types. I am not going to debate why they are ignorant here because there are mountains of evidence, this is just a poll of their motivations. It seems in the face of all evidence they dismiss the facts. There are of course a number of factors, but curious about what people feel is the primary factor.

This goes to from certain issues like climate change which most conservatives deny, to massive wealth inequality statistically in the US, to ignoring things like corporate tax evasion, and to insisting quiet seriously that President Obama may be a Muslim or a communist. Some conservatives go so far as to want to eliminate public education calling it "socialist", continually referring to public universities as "havens of socialism", and consistently referring to most Democratic plans as socialism despite the US being probably one of the least socialist nations there is with one of the lowest tax rates in history. They continue to listen to Fox News which has some of the worst ratings on journalistic honesty.

[Whiskey Hill]

Speaking as an American, and a Democrat, what is the cause of liberal intellectual elitism?

[Siorafrica]

The riches.In America a conservative is almost certainly a right-winger.Thing about right-wing economics is only a few will be rich,even if the country is mainly right-wing.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Nothing is responsable for it. Humans are idiots, Americans are morons, it's nature just like bees make honey, nature

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

The riches.In America a conservative is almost certainly a right-winger.Thing about right-wing economics is only a few will be rich,even if the country is mainly right-wing.

And in left-wing nations, ALL will be poor. Which is better?

[Hellsgrind]

The riches.In America a conservative is almost certainly a right-winger.Thing about right-wing economics is only a few will be rich,even if the country is mainly right-wing.

And in left-wing nations, ALL will be poor. Which is better?

Well, I don't know, if everybody's poor, it's hard to be 'poor'. The whole idea of bringing everyone down to equal scale is that the whole concept of 'rich' and 'poor' is eliminated, at least in the extreme sense.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

And in left-wing nations, ALL will be poor. Which is better?

Well, I don't know, if everybody's poor, it's hard to be 'poor'. The whole idea of bringing everyone down to equal scale is that the whole concept of 'rich' and 'poor' is eliminated, at least in the extreme sense.

Yea, and what North Korea?

[Innsmothe]

The riches.In America a conservative is almost certainly a right-winger.Thing about right-wing economics is only a few will be rich,even if the country is mainly right-wing.

And in left-wing nations, ALL will be poor. Which is better?

Technically if it was evened out through wealth distribution, the average wealth would stay the same, as the rich would become poorer and the poor become richer.

[Progressive Americans]

I did not want to debate this in this thread, because it too is ignorant. There several European nations with CEO pay limits, and a large public welfare programs. Universal health care, etc. These places do not resemble what is being described as the supposed "result" of social policies.

The United States ranks fairly poorly in several areas for the wealth that is flowing in, and out of here. Poor rankings in health, education, welfare of citizens, etc. It is really a shame on the nation.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Our OP Thread Host forgot Illegal Alien.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

And in left-wing nations, ALL will be poor. Which is better?

Technically if it was evened out through wealth distribution, the average wealth would stay the same, as the rich would become poorer and the poor become richer.

Try telling that to the North Koreans

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Our OP Thread Host forgot Illegal Alien.

Yea, Illegal Alien President!

[Progressive Americans]

Our OP Thread Host forgot Illegal Alien.

Fairly falls under Racism, but perhaps bigotry. I say more racism because you notice conservatives only ever talk about Latino immigrants primarily, though they are some of the most numerous you never hear them speak of Asian illegal immigrants or any others that are also here. They also have all these creative ways of describing these people.....

[Arumdaum]

Well, I don't know, if everybody's poor, it's hard to be 'poor'. The whole idea of bringing everyone down to equal scale is that the whole concept of 'rich' and 'poor' is eliminated, at least in the extreme sense.

Yea, and what North Korea?

North Korea isn't left wing.... it's a psychotic military dictatorship.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Yea, and what North Korea?

North Korea isn't left wing.... it's a psychotic military dictatorship.

But it is communist.
Every left-winged nation always has been and always will be a psychotic military dictatorship!

[Xarithis]

Yea, and what North Korea?

North Korea isn't left wing.... it's a psychotic military dictatorship.

It is left economically, but politically and socially authoritarian.

[Sucrati]

Intelligence =/= Education (Albert Einstein was a genius by intelligence standards, however he didn't do so well when it came to his education)

Just because there are people who take the side you don't agree with, it doesn't mean that they are idiots.

Yes, Right Wing Americans tend to want people to actually work for what they earn, instead of giving money/benefits to those who do not work for them.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are aware of Tax Fraud from all sorts of Organizations.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are angry with the use of tax dollars.

Yes, Right Wing Americans can hold a peaceful protest.

Yes, Right Wing Americans don't use false accusations about said peaceful protesters.

Yes, Right Wing Americans tend to not leave trash behind after said protests.

No, Right Wing Americans don't appreciate the use of statuses (Gender, Race, ETC) to determine more rights for others.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are aware of the budget crisis, and seek to make the sacrifices needed to get our budget good again.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are aware of the immigration issue, and wish to actually fix the immigration system so more people can come in legally.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are aware of debates without using terms that would be considered 'hate speech'.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are aware how our allies are being stabbed in the back by allowing them to be shunted off to the side.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are aware of our rights, using those rights tends to get us ridiculed by the Left.

Yes, Right Wing Americans DO learn from their mistakes.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are biased against more than the Left. (Especially with Modern Media)

Yes, Right Wing Americans are about not stamping on the freedoms of the citizenry of the USA. (Exception is the Patriot Act, then again, Obama DID say he was going to have it repealed... not extended).

Yes, Right Wing Americans actually stay and fight instead of running away even when the chips are down.

Yes, Right Wing Americans want solutions, not excuses or lies.

Yes, Right Wing Americans tend to be more honest aka Keep their word.

Yes, Right Wing Americans are heavily outnumbered when it comes to 'Education'... Not in the sense of a failure rate, but the sense of Educational MATERIAL.

Look, you're a Progressive right? Tell me, when Republicans aka Conservatives didn't have the majorities in either the Senate or House, how did they block the so called 'Change' that was in store?

If everyone's poor, then no one is poor, however, in order for everyone to be poor, no person can have anything of value, they cannot create anything of value, basically a truly poor person is one that doesn't exist.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Yea, and what North Korea?

North Korea isn't left wing.... it's a psychotic military dictatorship.

When I posted that about Cuban dictator Fidel Castro Ruz, you should have seen all the Pro Castro NS supporters that came out of the wood work attacking my post like a behive of Bees, in the old NS Jolt Co UK Forums.


Comandante en Jefe, Lider of the Democratic Communist Socialist Revolution of Cuba.

[Coffee Cakes]

I'm an American, and conservative, and most definitely NOT ignorant.

How about Why do Democrats run from state business (Wisconsin and Indiana) and listing options?

[Orthaethaczil]

You dont have the main reason up there:

Media.
Or more clearly: propaganda.

Thats the source of everything else. And not limited to conservatives either.

The media is owned by the rich. The rich have no interest in progress of the masses. They want them to cower in fear. They want them to accept lower wages. They want them to protest for less taxes. And they want them to accept the wars for ressources. Everything that serves the richest of the rich.

Discussing politics with US americans is usually NOT enjoyable. They get stupid to the degree of near braindeath when it comes to "liberty". Of course its never about actual freedom - i.e. to be free to choose how you want to live your live. Because that one would actually include the requirement for a certain social and financial security. No, its always only about the freedom how you want to spend your money, and the "freedom", or rather lack of taxes. And if you dont have money ? Well, then thats because you're lazy, or something.

Another reason is of course the awful state of education over there.

[Xarithis]

Intelligence =/= Education

Just because there are people who take the side you don't agree with, it doesn't mean that they are idiots.

The reverse is true, too. Ignorance != Intelligence. I believe the OP specifically said ignorance.

[Sucrati]

I'm an American, and conservative, and most definitely NOT ignorant.

How about Why do Democrats run from state business (Wisconsin and Indiana) and listing options?

Read a couple posts up

[Maurepas]

:palm:

Speaking as an American, and a Democrat, what is the cause of liberal intellectual elitism?

Well, you see a guy who looks at the Flintstones like a documentary, and regularly claims to be a historian with no historical knowledge whatsoever, and it's hard not to get a little elitist.

Anyway, the simple answer, imo, is that they simply don't want to know the truth, it conflicts with their person and their world view. It's willful ignorance due to one or all of the options on the poll.

[Centropyge]

Oh, my. What a thread. Though it's nice to see a "progressive" being the one asking a question like this rather than one of my fellow conservatives--admittedly we do like to stick our heads in the sand sometimes. But now I know we're not alone...

The irony about Communist nations in real life is that few or none ever reach a state of true Communism...they seem to get hung up on that authoritarian dictator stage. And once the people manage to remove the dictatorship, they seem to tend to prefer democracy.

As for progressive social policies...remember that right-wingers aren't the only ones who oppose them. A new and seemingly growing group of Libertarians, who tend to defy traditional party lines, also desire a smaller government footprint while often being liberal in other ways. I will admit feeling envious of the services available in some European countries, but then I consider what the tax rate would have to be to support such policies here in the US and shudder. Not to mention, I'd rather not have the government involved so heavily in my life, whether it is giving me "free" handouts (paid for by myself, my neighbors, and my employers) or telling me that I can't drive downtown without paying a fee or carry a firearm or homeschool my children [ok, don't have any, but the point stands].

I do agree that the state of education in America is lacking, at least until college. And then suddenly it gets so very competitive in many parts of the country.

[Orthaethaczil]

Intelligence =/= Education (Albert Einstein was a genius by intelligence standards, however he didn't do so well when it came to his education)

Thats a stupid myth.

Einstein was brilliant in school too.

German schools use a system of 1 (best) to 6 (worst).

The only reason people started claiming that was because back in Einsteins time, he got only 6 and 5 in his school report.

However, the system used back in his time was the other way around. 6 was best, 1 was worst.

So yes, Einstein only got best and second best marks in his report. Especially he got only best marks in physics and maths.