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Postby Budgie Islands » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:10 pm

Will it happen, is the increasing power of the EU and interfernce from the ECHR symbols of things to come?

Obvs, if this European state does happen ,if it is gonna be federal there will still be power at national level so it could be argued that the European federation is already here.

It has a common currency (mostly) free trade and movement between all nations.

There is even talks for an 'EU Army' leaveing no need for NATO

When do you think a European superstate will happen? (Me? Within next 20 years)

How poerful will this be (I think VERY powerful)

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:20 pm

Budgie Islands wrote:Will it happen, is the increasing power of the EU and interfernce from the ECHR symbols of things to come?

I'm not convinced it will, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised either. The major hurdle is seems to be international relations and a shared budget (already some of that due to using the same currency).

There is even talks for an 'EU Army' leaveing no need for NATO

I'd still wanna be in NATO.

When do you think a European superstate will happen? (Me? Within next 20 years)

50+ years.

How poerful will this be (I think VERY powerful)

Not very. It'll be just like Europe is now.
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Postby Innsmothe » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:25 pm

I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:33 pm

Innsmothe wrote:They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.

^sigged. :rofl:


But personally, I think that would actually be good for America (not Innsomthe's quote, but rather the OP's scenario). Less money spent on our end.
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Postby Innsmothe » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:40 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.

^sigged. :rofl:

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Postby Risottia » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:43 pm

Budgie Islands wrote:Will it happen

Very likely, but not 100% certain.

There is even talks for an 'EU Army' leaveing no need for NATO

For a NATO like it is now, no, there shall be no need. The Atlantic alliance will become more balanced, as an European federal country would be a full-blown superpower, economically and militarily.

When do you think a European superstate will happen? (Me? Within next 20 years)

50 years, I'm afraid. Not sooner. I'd wish we'd have it tomorrow.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:05 pm

My opinions on this could best be depicted by someone tumbling off the edge of a cliff screaming "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" and the whole thing being put in super slow-motion.
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Postby A super cool place » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:45 pm

There will be 2 EUs. Northern and southern. Both with northern euro and southern euro currency. Being ruled by northern EU obviously. Northern europe consisting of western europe (not northern) will because europe country. Northern european countries will leave (including UK) but will still work closely together, as the way norway does with the current EU. The southern europe EU will fail and crumble, owing massive amounts of northern EU. The nordic council will turn more into what the EU is now, with the bankrupt and socialy collapsed UK joining.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:06 am

Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.

:palm:

Of course, let the Europeans and Americans fight as the Chinese take over...brilliant, just brilliant.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:10 am

Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.

A Federal government for Europe would be an economic powerhouse if it held its shit together. I don't know how well it would do as a direct enemy of the States, though, as there is a massive discrepancy in the natural resources the two inherently have.
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Postby Futurephilosostan » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:51 am

Budgie Islands wrote:Will it happen, is the increasing power of the EU and interfernce from the ECHR symbols of things to come?

Obvs, if this European state does happen ,if it is gonna be federal there will still be power at national level so it could be argued that the European federation is already here.

It has a common currency (mostly) free trade and movement between all nations.

There is even talks for an 'EU Army' leaveing no need for NATO

When do you think a European superstate will happen? (Me? Within next 20 years)

How poerful will this be (I think VERY powerful)


I think it is already here. In the future there may be movements to less integration or more integration (personally, i am sure that it will move to more integration), but it is already here. I am travelling freely across borders, companies quite freely invest and trade across borders, i'm called EU citizen (by airport border signs :) ) and major economy affairs are regulated and supervised by EU. Now even if i get traffic police fine in another end of EU it will travel back to me :)

Sure there are issues that has national control over: some taxation, defense, culture, but it is probably similar also for states in USA.

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Postby Innsmothe » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:55 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.

:palm:

Of course, let the Europeans and Americans fight as the Chinese take over...brilliant, just brilliant.

At least the Chinese have decent food.
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Postby Lietvos » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:58 am

Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.


Are you an idiot? How would copying their political system be anti-american? The only people in the EU who are truly pushing for a federal European state are generally very pro-USA.

I on the other hand do not see this happening anytime soon. There is far too much nationalism still in Europe too allow this to happen within our lifetimes.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:59 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.

A Federal government for Europe would be an economic powerhouse if it held its shit together. I don't know how well it would do as a direct enemy of the States, though, as there is a massive discrepancy in the natural resources the two inherently have.
Europe already is an economic powerhouse as it is - everyone's aware that economic integration has progressed by far the farthest, yes?

Natural resources aren't a problem, either. The US has more oil, but that's about it.

Of course, the idea of a conflict between the US and the EU is so hilariously laughable, it's silly. While the US isn't too fond about the other side of the Atlantic emancipating itself, and Europe maintains a fairly snobby attitude with regards to Amurrica, they're still the two most closely connected powerblocks on earth, sharing a great deal of history and values, massive economic interdependency, and so on. What would happen is exactly what has happened for the past fifty years - the two cooperate with some friction to stay on top of everyone else.
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Postby St George of England » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:24 am

ECHR =/= EU.
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Postby Georgism » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:38 am

I reckon there should be a federal europe. With Britain out of it.
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Postby Kursas Karaliste » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:15 am

A super cool place wrote:There will be 2 EUs. Northern and southern. Both with northern euro and southern euro currency. Being ruled by northern EU obviously. Northern europe consisting of western europe (not northern) will because europe country. Northern european countries will leave (including UK) but will still work closely together, as the way norway does with the current EU. The southern europe EU will fail and crumble, owing massive amounts of northern EU. The nordic council will turn more into what the EU is now, with the bankrupt and socialy collapsed UK joining.

This sounds a lot more realistic than a truly federal EU.

As for a federal Europe (the continent), it's not going to happen.
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Postby Angleter » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:37 am

Yes, it almost certainly will happen- in the Eurozone at least. Every European treaty has tightened the EU further, bringing it closer and closer to full political unification. Now, the EU has realised with the sovereign debt crisis that it is nigh on impossible to have a proper common currency without at least restricting the freedoms and activities of nations' fiscal policies, and I feel either the Euro will break down, or the Eurozone will be on the fast-track to unification by mid-century at the latest, probably taking the rest of the EU with it. Then, I can't say I'm optimistic about the longevity of a confederation, and would predict the EU becoming like America very soon after unification.

Britain, of course, really ought to jump out before it gets in too deep.
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Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:21 am

I'd say most likely it will. I think the previous guesses as to midcentury seem right. The UK will be dragged kicking and screaming into it, but they'll be a part, too.

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Postby Starligh » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:36 am

I think the great differences between west and east europe will stop that from actually happening in the near future. At least I hope so. Judging from the difficulties we have in germany where the differences between west and east are little in comparison a european state could only result in disaster.

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Postby F1-Insanity » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:03 pm

Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.


Bring... it... on... Euroweenies :twisted:
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Postby Free Tristania » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:05 pm

Innsmothe wrote:I want a centralised Federal government in Europe.
Based on the American system, but specifically to be a Anti-American Force.

They must be stopped, crushed and dominated like a amateur S&M slut.

Hear hear ! :clap:
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Postby Keronians » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:16 pm

Wow, a federal Europe... Wow... So much power... The power... It's... amazing...

Being serious now, I think it isn't ridiculous. It's quite possible. In fact, what I see is the EU (at least) becoming either as good as a federal state (even if it doesn't become so officially, it will de facto be one), or the EU and the Eurozone collapsing. The reason I added Eurozone is because a certain island in the north of the contintent always loves to be different...

But seriously now. A federal Europe would probably be even more powerful than the US. The economy definitely, and the military could become comparable to the USA's too. Now, as long as we don't follow the path the US did and keep SOME left-wingers in power, we shouldn't end up like they did/will.
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Postby A super cool place » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:56 pm

A federal europe's power would be over 90000

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Postby GeneralHaNor » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:58 pm

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