Flaws in a barter society

[Mercator Terra]

The US 4 person poverty line is higher than the GDP/capita (PPP) of 148 nations. Therefore, the American poor are better of than most of the world's middle classes.

Your point? America is a wealthier nation.

The country isnt wealthy The people are wealthy.

And there is a reason to...

[Big Jim P]

Your point? America is a wealthier nation.

The country isnt wealthy The people are wealthy.

And there is a reason to...

Superior industry, resources, and technology among others.

[Mercator Terra]

The country isnt wealthy The people are wealthy.

And there is a reason to...

Superior industry, resources, and technology among others.

And do you know why we have such nice things like that?

[Big Jim P]

Superior industry, resources, and technology among others.

And do you know we have such nice things like that?

Of course I know we do. I utilize the products daily.

[Mercator Terra]

And do you know we have such nice things like that?

Of course I know we do. I utilize the products daily.

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[Big Jim P]

Superior industry, resources, and technology among others.

And do you know why we have such nice things like that?

I have heard many theories as to why. Care to post yours?

[Mercator Terra]

And do you know why we have such nice things like that?

I have heard many theories as to why. Care to post yours?

We have a more "free" market then most countries.

[Big Jim P]

I have heard many theories as to why. Care to post yours?

We have a more "free" market then most countries.

Indeed. One of the better theories.

[Mercator Terra]

We have a more "free" market then most countries.

Indeed. One of the better theories.

Its not as free as I would like it to be..

[Sibirsky]

The US 4 person poverty line is higher than the GDP/capita (PPP) of 148 nations. Therefore, the American poor are better of than most of the world's middle classes.

Your point? America is a wealthier nation.

The point was made in the post. The poor (American poor) are wealthier than most of the world's middle classes. A point that was disputed by others here.

[Sibirsky]

The country isnt wealthy The people are wealthy.

And there is a reason to...

Superior industry, resources, and technology among others.

Resources don't really matter. Hong Kong, Singapore, Bermuda, Monaco have nothing in terms of resources. Africa has more than just about anyone.

The others I agree with.

[Sociobiology]

The US 4 person poverty line is higher than the GDP/capita (PPP) of 148 nations. Therefore, the American poor are better of than most of the world's middle classes.

now do the same thing for Norway and Luxembourg and show a significant difference and you'll impress me, comparing first-world to third world countries is does tell you much when your trying to compare different first world countries.
the country with the highest GDP is Qatar, and is THREE times higher than the US. with Liechtenstein coming close to that triple too.

[Sibirsky]

The US 4 person poverty line is higher than the GDP/capita (PPP) of 148 nations. Therefore, the American poor are better of than most of the world's middle classes.

now do the same thing for Norway and Luxembourg and show a significant difference and you'll impress me, comparing first-world to third world countries is does tell you much when your trying to compare different first world countries.
the country with the highest GDP is Qatar, and is THREE times higher than the US. with Liechtenstein coming close to that triple too.

The claim was that the American poor are better of than most of the world's middle classes. The claim has been proven. As a rebuttal to the claim that the American poor are not better of than the middle classes. So, what's your point? I'm sure, the poor in Norway and Luxembourg are very well of as well.

[Azzers]

Yes, but a starving child has more need for food than a millionaire in an MEDC but the food goes to the millionaire because he can afford it.

A cancer patient needs medicine more than a rich man with a less severe illness (I know they both won't need the same medicine but the analogy still stands) but it will go to the rich man because he has more money.

And on another note, if someone is wrong you should tell them properly, not be so big-headed as to say flat out "you're wrong".

And the free market is better able to allocate resources. Food, housing, clothing was cheaper in the Soviet Union. Yet Americans were better housed, clothed and fed.

That was due to lack of production and import of quality consumer goods. Not because it was a barter economy, even when the NEP came about, people had a lot of money but a lack of consumer goods meant they were poorly clothed, housed and fed.

[Sociobiology]

now do the same thing for Norway and Luxembourg and show a significant difference and you'll impress me, comparing first-world to third world countries is does tell you much when your trying to compare different first world countries.
the country with the highest GDP is Qatar, and is THREE times higher than the US. with Liechtenstein coming close to that triple too.

The claim was that the American poor are better of than most of the world's middle classes. The claim has been proven. As a rebuttal to the claim that the American poor are not better of than the middle classes. So, what's your point? I'm sure, the poor in Norway and Luxembourg are very well of as well.

but by singling out america you imply that it is unique ti th american system, instead of say tied to being a first world country.
also by saying the poor of a very large country have more money than much smaller nations doesn't mean a lot, the vast size difference could easily be responsible for the difference in total money.

[Sociobiology]

Superior industry, resources, and technology among others.

Resources don't really matter. Hong Kong, Singapore, Bermuda, Monaco have nothing in terms of resources. Africa has more than just about anyone.

The others I agree with.

well some resources matter annual average rainfall is the single best natural predictor of a countries GDP, and HDI. Mostly because it ties directly to food availability.

[Sibirsky]

The claim was that the American poor are better of than most of the world's middle classes. The claim has been proven. As a rebuttal to the claim that the American poor are not better of than the middle classes. So, what's your point? I'm sure, the poor in Norway and Luxembourg are very well of as well.

but by singling out america you imply that it is unique ti th american system, instead of say tied to being a first world country.
also by saying the poor of a very large country have more money than much smaller nations doesn't mean a lot, the vast size difference could easily be responsible for the difference in total money.

Total money? We're talking per capita here.

[Sibirsky]

And the free market is better able to allocate resources. Food, housing, clothing was cheaper in the Soviet Union. Yet Americans were better housed, clothed and fed.

That was due to lack of production and import of quality consumer goods. Not because it was a barter economy, even when the NEP came about, people had a lot of money but a lack of consumer goods meant they were poorly clothed, housed and fed.

It was due to a centrally planned economy.