A general thread on Homosexuality, if you will.

[St George of England]

Because it's discrimination.

I said that it's not.

And you're wrong.

[Beldonia]

I said that it's not.

And you're wrong.

No, I'm not.

[Grave_n_idle]

And he knows that it is. Whenever you say "They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex," you're going out of your way to exclude the people who might not want to marry the opposite sex.

God created a man and a woman for a reason. We all got here because of it. If God allowed homosexually, then there wouldn't be an international problem with it. Why is it that every country has to go through fire just to get through a political debate about homosexually?

For the same reason that overcoming slavery has been such a difficult battle, and one that still hasn't been entirely won.

People with vested interests like to maintain the status quo. This is not one of the big puzzles.

[Bottle]

No, it's really not. Seriously, the Supreme Court has like a 100 pages on this issue. Their JOB is to clarify shit like this. They did all the work. Just go read up on Loving v. Virginia.

That's some good money for what their doing. Sure do want to be on the other end of the firestorm when it's over.

Er. Loving v. Virginia was decided well before I was born, and I've found living in the aftermath to be generally nice and happy. Certainly more so than back when I would have been legally barred from marrying a black man.

[Grave_n_idle]

And you were obviously wrong.

Nope.

Afraid so. If you're argument is that it's okay because straight men can marry women, and straight women can marry men - then you fail - because that is ALSO a form of discrimination if those are the ONLY marriages that are allowed.

You're arguing there is no discrimination because the same 'rights' are already allowed to people under a similar discrimination.

[Beldonia]

Nope.

Afraid so. If you're argument is that it's okay because straight men can marry women, and straight women can marry men - then you fail - because that is ALSO a form of discrimination if those are the ONLY marriages that are allowed.

You're arguing there is no discrimination because the same 'rights' are already allowed to people under a similar discrimination.

Uh...I see your point, but no. Dictionary.

[Beldonia]

That's some good money for what their doing. Sure do want to be on the other end of the firestorm when it's over.

Er. Loving v. Virginia was decided well before I was born, and I've found living in the aftermath to be generally nice and happy. Certainly more so than back when I would have been legally barred from marrying a black man.

LOVING vs. VIRGINia? What an appropriately named case!

[Grave_n_idle]

Afraid so. If you're argument is that it's okay because straight men can marry women, and straight women can marry men - then you fail - because that is ALSO a form of discrimination if those are the ONLY marriages that are allowed.

You're arguing there is no discrimination because the same 'rights' are already allowed to people under a similar discrimination.

Uh...I see your point, but no. Dictionary.

Dictionary, what?

If you're not just trolling the thread, at least make rational sentences.

[Beldonia]

Uh...I see your point, but no. Dictionary.

Dictionary, what?

If you're not just trolling the thread, at least make rational sentences.

Sorry, I assumed you'd know what I meant. Look up discrimination in the dictionary.

[Farnhamia]

And he knows that it is. Whenever you say "They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex," you're going out of your way to exclude the people who might not want to marry the opposite sex.

God created a man and a woman for a reason. We all got here because of it. If God allowed homosexually, then there wouldn't be an international problem with it. Why is it that every country has to go through fire just to get through a political debate about homosexually?

Why should your religious beliefs make the least amount of difference whether I get married to the woman I love or not? How dare you? There is no "God."

[Kobeanare]

Dictionary, what?

If you're not just trolling the thread, at least make rational sentences.

Sorry, I assumed you'd know what I meant. Look up discrimination in the dictionary.

Look up the ruling of Loving v Virginia. When dealing with legal discrimination, we use the legal definition, not the dictionary definition.

[Ceannairceach]

Dictionary, what?

If you're not just trolling the thread, at least make rational sentences.

Sorry, I assumed you'd know what I meant. Look up discrimination in the dictionary.

# unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice
# the cognitive process whereby two or more stimuli are distinguished

Yeah, its discrimination.

[Beldonia]

God created a man and a woman for a reason. We all got here because of it. If God allowed homosexually, then there wouldn't be an international problem with it. Why is it that every country has to go through fire just to get through a political debate about homosexually?

Why should your religious beliefs make the least amount of difference whether I get married to the woman I love or not? How dare you? There is no "God."

This isn't the place for that discussion. Besides, go ahead and get married. Women and men can get hitched, in anyone's opinion. Except Barney Stinson's.

[Sociobiology]

aye

it says that a man shouldnt lay with a man the way he lays with a woman.


that implies that there is SOME kind of gay sex that god doesnt like but not which one or what he might think of those that dont involve "laying" at all.

You see, that's where the problem comes in. People like you twist the Bible to conform with a certain point or view. The Bible doesn't mention in what way to lay with another man, but for those who research the Bible, they will find the Sodom and Gemorrah were destroyed as a result of homosexually.

really? I thought it was for the custom of gang raping tourists.

[Farnhamia]

Er. Loving v. Virginia was decided well before I was born, and I've found living in the aftermath to be generally nice and happy. Certainly more so than back when I would have been legally barred from marrying a black man.

LOVING vs. VIRGINia? What an appropriately named case!

Yes, very appropriate. And it doesn't say anything like "just as long as it's a man and a woman."

[St George of England]

And you're wrong.

No, I'm not.

You are. The law allows a man and a woman to marry and not two men or two women. Marriage carries numerous benefits. Denying those benefits to people would other be able to claim them is discriminatory.

[Beldonia]

LOVING vs. VIRGINia? What an appropriately named case!

Yes, very appropriate. And it doesn't say anything like "just as long as it's a man and a woman."

Obviously, they can be in love and have sex.

[Ceannairceach]

Why should your religious beliefs make the least amount of difference whether I get married to the woman I love or not? How dare you? There is no "God."

This isn't the place for that discussion. Besides, go ahead and get married. Women and men can get hitched, in anyone's opinion. Except Barney Stinson's.

Farm's a woman, I believe.

[Beldonia]

This isn't the place for that discussion. Besides, go ahead and get married. Women and men can get hitched, in anyone's opinion. Except Barney Stinson's.

Farm's a woman, I believe.

Ohhhhhhh. I'm so used to NS being a sausage fest.

[Vashta Nerada]

Er. Loving v. Virginia was decided well before I was born, and I've found living in the aftermath to be generally nice and happy. Certainly more so than back when I would have been legally barred from marrying a black man.

LOVING vs. VIRGINia? What an appropriately named case!

Not funny man. Not funny at all.

[Ceannairceach]

Farm's a woman, I believe.

Ohhhhhhh. I'm so used to NS being a sausage fest.

So now you must understand why its fucking offensive to say that a woman and a woman can't get married. Its demeaning.

[Grave_n_idle]

Dictionary, what?

If you're not just trolling the thread, at least make rational sentences.

Sorry, I assumed you'd know what I meant. Look up discrimination in the dictionary.

Which dictionary?

This legal definition from Law.com's legal dictionary?

"discrimination

n. unequal treatment of persons, for a reason which has nothing to do with legal rights or ability. Federal and state laws prohibit discrimination in employment, availability of housing, rates of pay, right to promotion, educational opportunity, civil rights, and use of facilities based on race, nationality, creed, color, age, sex or sexual orientation. The rights to protest discrimination or enforce one's rights to equal treatment are provided in various federal and state laws, which allow for private lawsuits with the right to damages. There are also federal and state commissions to investigate and enforce equal rights."

This definition supports what I say - people being treated unequally for reasons other than legal rights or ability - to whit, their gender (and sexual orientation).

According to a legal definition, 'straight' marriage is actually discriminatory.

Which means that forbidding 'gay' marriage is also discriminatory.

[Beldonia]

Ohhhhhhh. I'm so used to NS being a sausage fest.

So now you must understand why its fucking offensive to say that a woman and a woman can't get married. Its demeaning.

I realize that it offends some people. But the marriage of two gays offends me. Besides, I don't know how what just happened would make me realize anything.

[Kobeanare]

Farm's a woman, I believe.

Ohhhhhhh. I'm so used to NS being a sausage fest.

Seriously? This place has the highest percentage of women of all the forums I go on.

[Grave_n_idle]

So now you must understand why its fucking offensive to say that a woman and a woman can't get married. Its demeaning.

I realize that it offends some people. But the marriage of two gays offends me. Besides, I don't know how what just happened would make me realize anything.

Whether or not 'two gay guys' marrying offends you doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to prohibit it.

Indeed, unless they are trying to compel you into marrying them, I don't see how your approval has anything to do with it.