A general thread on Homosexuality, if you will.

[Vashta Nerada]

It's called battery, and it's illegal. And I believe the point made earlier was that I shouldn't tell others how to live.

Exactly. It's illegal. You want your suppression to be legal. That's an entirely different issue. The fact that others attempt to tell you how to live (though not through legislating their opinions) doesn't mean you should tell others how to live, much less by legislating your opinions.

Just like gays are telling us to accept them whether we want to or not. Their in their own way, telling me how to live.

[Kobeanare]

Exactly. It's illegal. You want your suppression to be legal. That's an entirely different issue. The fact that others attempt to tell you how to live (though not through legislating their opinions) doesn't mean you should tell others how to live, much less by legislating your opinions.

Just like gays are telling us to accept them whether we want to or not. Their in their own way, telling me how to live.

No, you're perfectly free to ignore them.

[Beldonia]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

[Unhealthy2]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

But only women are allowed to marry men and only men are allowed to marry women. Hence, it IS a form of discrimination on the basis of sex.

[Vashta Nerada]

For using a computer. And what law in the Bible says I'll be struck by lightning?

You said that homosexuality is bad because it is unnatural. Ergo, using electricity is bad because it is unnatural. This really isn't difficult when you're not being deliberately obtuse.

I never recall saying homosexually was evil. Just that it's unnatrual.

[Bottle]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

Yeah, the Supreme Court of the USA threw out that argument over half a century ago.

Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it on internet forums and look like doofuses.

[Beldonia]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

But only women are allowed to marry men and only men are allowed to marry women. Hence, it IS a form of discrimination on the basis of sex.

But the gays would have the same rights.

[Kobeanare]

You said that homosexuality is bad because it is unnatural. Ergo, using electricity is bad because it is unnatural. This really isn't difficult when you're not being deliberately obtuse.

I never recall saying homosexually was evil. Just that it's unnatrual.

By what logic is something that occurs in nature unnatural?

[St George of England]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

Because it's discrimination.

[Vashta Nerada]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

Thank you!

[Unhealthy2]

I never recall saying homosexually was evil.

So you're morally opposed to something that you don't think is evil?

Just that it's unnatrual.

Which:

1) Isn't even true, given the prevalence of non-human homosexual animals.

2) Is morally irrelevant even if it were true, as you've just admitted.

[Beldonia]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

Because it's discrimination.

I said that it's not.

[Beldonia]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

Thank you!

Great minds.....

[Tokos]

Wrong actually, not only did Nero marry a man, but in several societies it was between a man and many women. There's a difference.

You're bringing Nero up as an example? A mad emperor declaring he's marrying a man is indicative of Roman society? Really?

Not to mentioned that just about every major societal change that went contrary to majority opinion in favor of wider minority rights has represented a paradigm shift for SOME people.

That it is a shift in the paradigm does not inherently make it wrong.

It does if there's another way to go about it.

Not to mention it brings up a whole load of other issues. Why should people only have certain rights, as a couple, if they're sexually attracted to each other?

[Vashta Nerada]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

Because it's discrimination.

How? Because a man can't destroy the organ use for discarding waste, or doing whatever it is that they do?

[Unhealthy2]

I said that it's not.

And I say that 7 is less than 6. I'm still incorrect.

[Farnhamia]

Look, I'm all for gays and lesbians having equal rights. If straight guys aren't allowed to marry other guys and the same goes for straight women, then where's the probelm? They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex. If it was like that (which would be my preference) then there would be no discrimination.

Because it's discrimination.

And he knows that it is. Whenever you say "They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex," you're going out of your way to exclude the people who might not want to marry the opposite sex.

[Beldonia]

I said that it's not.

And I say that 7 is less than 6. I'm still incorrect.

Difference: I wasn't.
Also: Boy, you really need to learn math.

[Beldonia]

Because it's discrimination.

And he knows that it is. Whenever you say "They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex," you're going out of your way to exclude the people who might not want to marry the opposite sex.

Yeah, but they have the same rights. By the dictionary definition, it's not discrimination.

[Vashta Nerada]

Because it's discrimination.

And he knows that it is. Whenever you say "They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex," you're going out of your way to exclude the people who might not want to marry the opposite sex.

God created a man and a woman for a reason. We all got here because of it. If God allowed homosexually, then there wouldn't be an international problem with it. Why is it that every country has to go through fire just to get through a political debate about homosexually?

[Bottle]

And he knows that it is. Whenever you say "They're both allowed to marry--just the opposite sex," you're going out of your way to exclude the people who might not want to marry the opposite sex.

Yeah, but they have the same rights. By the dictionary definition, it's not discrimination.

No, it's really not. Seriously, the Supreme Court has like a 100 pages on this issue. Their JOB is to clarify shit like this. They did all the work. Just go read up on Loving v. Virginia.

[New Guadalupe]

Jumping into the thread here.

Let me give the Catholic Church's official view regarding the matter: Homosexual acts (e.g. "intercourse" between same-sex partners) are a sin for being a violation of the natural law. However a person is not sinful for having homosexual feelings, because it's not a choice. Prejudice against gays within the church is based on personal preference, and not supposed to be an encouraged viewpoint.

What is "natural law," and who gets to define it?

Natural law (Latin: lex naturalis) is an ethical theory that posits the existence of a law whose content is set by nature and that therefore has validity everywhere.

In the Church, it's believed that God created things for a reason (in this case sexual organs), and using them for things they were not intended is wrong. "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them, and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it." (Gen 1:27)

This page should sum up most understandings of sexuality in the Catholic Church:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_t ... l_morality

[Vashta Nerada]

Yeah, but they have the same rights. By the dictionary definition, it's not discrimination.

No, it's really not. Seriously, the Supreme Court has like a 100 pages on this issue. Their JOB is to clarify shit like this. They did all the work. Just go read up on Loving v. Virginia.

That's some good money for what their doing. Sure do want to be on the other end of the firestorm when it's over.

[Grave_n_idle]

Because it's discrimination.

I said that it's not.

And you were obviously wrong.

[Beldonia]

I said that it's not.

And you were obviously wrong.

Nope.