Right-wing PC thuggery & Debbie Almontaser

[Aligeretha]

dont care. not paying to toss them in jail.

So politicians should be allowed to be corrupt?

In fact why am I paying to toss pot heads in jail ???

Good question, that's because the government thinks that people who smoke one type of a naturally occuring plant (pot) instead of another naturally occuring plant (tobacco) deserve to be put in a prison cell with murders, thieves, rapists, and other hardened criminals.

There is no real reason behind other than insanity.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Can't take you seriously, because your entire presentation makes you come across like an apologist and partisan. Pointing out the sins of the Right is meaningless if you're not willing to turn the same scrutiny to the Left as well.

Like it or not, both sides of the political divide are in favor of censoring freedom of expression. The only real difference is that they disagree on what needs to be censored, and what method needs to be used to do it.

1. OMG, I'm exposed as a partisan liberal!! How will I ever cope with the shame?

2. I specifically sourced the information I stated as being from the undisputed facts as laid out in a U.S. Court of Appeals decision, how is that information partisan?

3. I specifically said that "censorship sometimes comes from all over the political spectrum."

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit.

He's simultaneously running under the notions that there are only two possible political persuasions and that you must be one or the other and the notion that in order to defend a group you must be a part of it. You criticized the right, hence, by his logic, you defende the left. You defended the left, hence, by his logic you are part of the left.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

He's simultaneously running under the notions that there are only two possible political persuasions and that you must be one or the other and the notion that in order to defend a group you must be a part of it. You criticized the right, hence, by his logic, you defende the left. You defended the left, hence, by his logic you are part of the left.

The 'us' vs 'them' mentality grows stronger as you move towards the edges.

Left wings and right wings belong on airplanes and birds. I personally don't waste my time wondering where I fall. I decide each issue individually and not based on which side of an imaginary line I'm on.

[Non Aligned States]

Left wings and right wings belong on airplanes and birds.

No, they belong on a plate, with a light honey basting after some roasting. And a bit of mustard.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Left wings and right wings belong on airplanes and birds.

No, they belong on a plate, with a light honey basting after some roasting. And a bit of mustard.

Or hot sauce and blue cheese dressing.

[H N Fiddlebottoms VIII]

Terrorists or not, these people need to work on their acronym making skills. KGIA? That sounds like a sneeze, or the sort of noise you'd make to dislodge something from your throat. AWAAM sounds like that lisping priest in the Princess Bride.

[Allbeama]

In fact, where does Marx express any support for totalitarianism whatsoever?

Only in the hyperactive and reality challenged delusions of NM. He tends to blather on a lot about things that even a conspiracy nut won't touch. You'll learn to ignore him after a while.

Everyone beat me to the punch here....

[North Suran]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit.

How perspicacious. Now that you've identified the problem, how do you intend to go about fixing it?

The only "bullshit" is his point.

Don't expect him to propose any "fixes" to the alleged "problem."

Ah, the classic "I'm using quotation marks to indicate my doubt".
The fact is, it is a problem, as the story in the first post of this thread showed.
But you probably didn't even read that; instead, you glanced at the title, read the first post that was against the OP, and immediately wrote your crappy, unsubstantiated GOP propaganda.

He doesn't even know--or acknowledge, more likely--the true origin of the concept of "political correctness."

Communists!
First universal healthcare, now this!
I tell ya, the Red Menace is still out there...

Fortunately, a little honest research reveals the source of the idea:

http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html

When you say "honest", do you mean by general standards or by Fox News standards?

Bill Lind is a right-wing speaker who believes that cultural conservatives should detach themselves from Federal Government, as the American way of life is being destroyed by 'cultural Marxists'.

The actual speech itself was delivered to a Conservative University.

In short, he's a reactionary, paranoid, right-wing pundit.

So it's no wonder you chose this source, then.

The fact is, "political correctness" is rooted in Marxism,

Not so much "The fact is" as "The insane ramblings of a deranged pundit claim that".

and, like that evil political ideology, seeks to destroy the foundations of American and Western civilization and replace them with an alien and totalitarian philosophy.

Do you actually listen to yourself anymore?
Or even read what you just wrote?
Or is it just so much quicker and easier to copy-paste things off the Fox News website?

Political Correctness - before it went overboard - was a method of preventing the racism, bigotry and intolerance that had been so mainstream and wide-spread before it was implemented.
While it may have gone overboard now, the only real reason why conservatives like yourself are against it is because it means you're not allowed to claim that "All Muslims are terrorists" on public television anymore.

Also, read a definition of the word "totalitarian" before you start throwing it around.
It just makes you look like a paranoid, ill-informed reactionary when you apply it to a context that doesn't even make sense.

[Phenia]

and, like that evil political ideology, seeks to destroy the foundations of American and Western civilization and replace them with an alien and totalitarian philosophy.

This is the same guy who has admitted he wants Obama to fail to fix the economy, just so that he can be 'right' and so that the "Obamunists" get to be 'wrong.'

In other words this is classical projection from someone who's not morally different from the people who cheered and danced in the street when the WTC was hit.

They had their political motivations for wanting to see the US come to grief, and so do you. Who cares what your political motivations are. You are wrong.

[The Cat-Tribe]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit.

How perspicacious. Now that you've identified the problem, how do you intend to go about fixing it?

The only "bullshit" is his point.

Don't expect him to propose any "fixes" to the alleged "problem." He doesn't even know--or acknowledge, more likely--the true origin of the concept of "political correctness."

Fortunately, a little honest research reveals the source of the idea:

http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html

The fact is, "political correctness" is rooted in Marxism, and, like that evil political ideology, seeks to destroy the foundations of American and Western civilization and replace them with an alien and totalitarian philosophy.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you exhibits A & B regarding the right-wing's paranoid abuse of the term "political correctness": New Mitanni and Bill Lind.

Setting aside the many reasons why Bill Lind (the source NM cites) is an absurd and dangerous character (and an anti-Semite), his linked speech is ridiculous on it's face.

Take just a few of his statements. In the opening paragraph, he says: "For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think." (emphasis added). Really? This idiot has never heard of the Alien and Sedition Acts, the Red Scare, McCarthyism, or the crackdowns on free speech engendered by WWI and WWII?

In arguing that political correctness and Marxism are the same, Mr. Lind points to alleged "parallels" between them. The first and foremost is that they are "both totalitarian ideologies." Stupid, but so far so good. What evidence that they are totalitarian? "[A]ll ideologies are totalitarian." So the classic liberalism of the Founders was totalitarian? Christianity is totalitarian?

Finally, who does Mr. Lind identify in his tirade as the cultural Marxists? Anyone who speaks for the rights of "women, blacks, Hispanics, [and] homosexuals." Anyone who is an environmentalist. Anyone that opposes sexism, racism, or homophobia. The Jews. Exactly as I said, anyone that Mr. Lind doesn't like and/or is afraid of.

[Heinleinites]

Setting aside the many reasons why Bill Lind (the source NM cites) is an absurd and dangerous character (and an anti-Semite),

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I refuse to comment on or even dignify with any notice the rumors that my opponent likes to rub against little boys in public." Not quite the non-apology apology, but close.

[Ifreann]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit.

How perspicacious. Now that you've identified the problem, how do you intend to go about fixing it?

I thought this forum was for debate and discussion, not solving the worlds problems. I must be in the wrong place.

[Phenia]

Setting aside the many reasons why Bill Lind (the source NM cites) is an absurd and dangerous character (and an anti-Semite), his linked speech is ridiculous on it's face.

He will excuse and/or dismiss Bill Lind's anti-semitism, but whine that Sotomayor is a racist.

Take just a few of his statements. In the opening paragraph, he says: "For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think." (emphasis added). Really? This idiot has never heard of the Alien and Sedition Acts, the Red Scare, McCarthyism, or the crackdowns on free speech engendered by WWI and WWII?

Ah, but NM will argue in favor of all of those things and claim they don't qualify or that the only people who have anything to fear are anti-American liberal Obamunist (tm) socialists and the Dishonest Liberal Media (tm) and the Dark Lord (tm).

Either that or he will ignore your point entirely again.

[Grays Harbor]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing people still able to think for themselves to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit right on the mark.

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[Ifreann]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing people still able to think for themselves to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit right on the mark.

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Unless you were trying to look like the stereotypical anti-PC Brigadier you probably should have slapped some [strike] tags on that "done by the left" bit. An token acknowledgement of the imperfection of the right side of the spectrum might have garnered you some credibility.

[Phenia]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing people still able to think for themselves to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit right on the mark.

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That's cute, and so utterly wrong it's laughable. Dismissing "things you don't like" as "politically correct" is NOT an example of "being able to think for yourself." Quite the opposite. You see, I AM able to think for myself, that's why I don't just parrot stupid talking points and burning strawmen about "the left" and "political correctness." But you're free to argue how I am unable to think for myself... if that is you are capable of it.

[Grays Harbor]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing people still able to think for themselves to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit right on the mark.

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Unless you were trying to look like the stereotypical anti-PC Brigadier you probably should have slapped some [strike] tags on that "done by the left" bit. An token acknowledgement of the imperfection of the right side of the spectrum might have garnered you some credibility.

yeah, I missed that one. whoops.

[Ifreann]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing people still able to think for themselves to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit right on the mark.

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That's cute, and so utterly wrong it's laughable. Dismissing "things you don't like" as "politically correct" is NOT an example of "being able to think for yourself." Quite the opposite. You see, I AM able to think for myself, that's why I don't just parrot stupid talking points and burning strawmen about "the left" and "political correctness." But you're free to argue how I am unable to think for myself... if that is you are capable of it.

There's that too.

[Grays Harbor]

4. The term "political correctness" is commonly used by the right-wing people still able to think for themselves to refer to things they don't like being done by the left. My point is that that perception is bullshit right on the mark.

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That's cute, and so utterly wrong it's laughable. Dismissing "things you don't like" as "politically correct" is NOT an example of "being able to think for yourself." Quite the opposite. You see, I AM able to think for myself, that's why I don't just parrot stupid talking points and burning strawmen about "the left" and "political correctness." But you're free to argue how I am unable to think for myself... if that is you are capable of it.

or not. I choose not to bang my head against the wall with people who are biased to a fault and try to read things into anything that goes against their own particular bias.

the attempt at flamebaiting was amusing though.

bye bye

[Heinleinites]

I thought this forum was for debate and discussion, not solving the worlds problems. I must be in the wrong place.

Discussion and debate of possible solutions does not equal effective implementation, otherwise talk radio would be the most effective and efficient thing on the planet.

[Grays Harbor]

I thought this forum was for debate and discussion, not solving the worlds problems. I must be in the wrong place.

Discussion and debate of possible solutions does not equal effective implementation, otherwise talk radio would be the most effective and efficient thing on the planet.

why? are you actively pushing for 94.7% of the population to become suicidal?

[Ifreann]

I thought this forum was for debate and discussion, not solving the worlds problems. I must be in the wrong place.

Discussion and debate of possible solutions does not equal effective implementation, otherwise talk radio would be the most effective and efficient thing on the planet.

An intention to fix a problem sounds quite different from an idea for a solution. Asking how TCT intended to solve the problem of hypocrisy regarding political correctness and free speech seemed to presume he actually does intend to fix this problem.

[Phenia]

or not. I choose not to bang my head against the wall with people who are biased to a fault and try to read things into anything that goes against their own particular bias.

the attempt at flamebaiting was amusing though.

My my, looks like projection is not only your main tactic... it's the only argument you have. You labeled anyone who follows your view as "being able to think for yourself," directly implying that if I disagree I am "unable" to think for myself.... but *I* am flamebaiting. Right. Sure. Yeah.

You equated "right wing" with "people able to think for themselves," and blather on about "the left," ... but *I* have the bias. Not you. Right. Uh huh.

bye bye

I accept your concession. Any time you want to eat some more crow, just let me know.

[Grave_n_idle]

I am not paying more taxes to keep crooked politicians in jail.
I don't care if it actuality makes democracy work.

You'd rather spend more money to keep crooked politicians out of jail?

[Milks Empire]

and, like that evil political ideology, seeks to destroy the foundations of American and Western civilization and replace them with an alien and totalitarian philosophy.

This is the same guy who has admitted he wants Obama to fail to fix the economy, just so that he can be 'right' and so that the "Obamunists" get to be 'wrong.'

In other words this is classical projection from someone who's not morally different from the people who cheered and danced in the street when the WTC was hit.

They had their political motivations for wanting to see the US come to grief, and so do you. Who cares what your political motivations are. You are wrong.

New Mitanni seems to have a whole lot in common with Osama bin Laden.
[*]Both want the US to suffer to suit their own ends.
[*]Both thrive on American interventionism.
[*]Both have an irrational hatred of anyone not exactly like them.
[*]They both say things that make a large chunk of the rest of the world look at them like they have three heads each.
[*]They both want to oppress people who don't fit their definition of perfect.
[*]Never have I read/heard either admit to being incorrect, even when it's patently obvious that they're so glaringly incorrect.