Grave_n_idle wrote:You said: "The Western love affair with Japanese culture - especially anime - pretty much started with Pokemon and Dragonball Z..."
You were wrong. By decades.
It's over. Move on.
Sigh.
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by North Suran » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:19 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:You said: "The Western love affair with Japanese culture - especially anime - pretty much started with Pokemon and Dragonball Z..."
You were wrong. By decades.
It's over. Move on.
Neu Mitanni wrote:As for NS, his latest statement is grounded in ignorance and contrary to fact, much to the surprise of all NSGers.
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by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:45 pm
North Suran wrote:This is why we should have dropped a thirty-third bomb.
by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:52 pm
Anemos Major wrote:North Suran wrote:This is why we should have dropped a third bomb.
My gread-grandfather died in the radiation afterwards, when he went to help the survivors. I never got to meet him because of that, and his selfless nature was completely ignored in his death. So many good people were indiscriinately kileld on that day that I don't really see how you can bring yourself to say things like that.
by Saint Clair Island » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:15 pm
by Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:16 pm
by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:20 pm
by Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:23 pm
Brogavia wrote:I meant we should have nuked them 31 more times.
by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:24 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Brogavia wrote:I meant we should have nuked them 31 more times.
All that loss of life for... What? They surrendered after two atomic bombings. Take lives only to prevent more from being lost.
Not to mention the loss of all that work on computing, LASERs, Robotics, and memory storage?
by Saint Clair Island » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:25 pm
Brogavia wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Brogavia wrote:I meant we should have nuked them 31 more times.
All that loss of life for... What? They surrendered after two atomic bombings. Take lives only to prevent more from being lost.
Not to mention the loss of all that work on computing, LASERs, Robotics, and memory storage?
Saving the world from animie and weaboos
by Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:26 pm
Brogavia wrote:Saving the world from animie and weaboos
by Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:27 pm
Saint Clair Island wrote:We should also have dropped a nuke on Hollywood and L.A., to keep them from producing all those dumb romantic comedies and such-like.
by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:28 pm
Saint Clair Island wrote:We should also have dropped a nuke on Hollywood and L.A., to keep them from producing all those dumb romantic comedies and such-like.
by Anemos Major » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:29 pm
Brogavia wrote:Anemos Major wrote:North Suran wrote:This is why we should have dropped a third bomb.
My gread-grandfather died in the radiation afterwards, when he went to help the survivors. I never got to meet him because of that, and his selfless nature was completely ignored in his death. So many good people were indiscriinately kileld on that day that I don't really see how you can bring yourself to say things like that.
Good for you. And if we didn't drop the bomb, my Grandfather wouldn't have survived the Invasion of Japan.
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by Saint Clair Island » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:33 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:2. I have no idea what a weaboo is.
To be Unclean,
That is the Mark of the Otaku
To be Unpure,
That is the Mark of the Otaku
To be Abhorred,
That is the Mark of the Otaku
To be Reviled,
That is the Mark of the Otaku
To be Hunted,
That is the Mark of the Otaku
To be Purged,
That is the Mark of the Otaku
To be Cleansed,
That is the Fate of all Otaku
by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:34 pm
Anemos Major wrote:
There is a clear-cut difference between the daylight bombing of civillian facilities, and the death of a military serviceman. Although both are tragedies, and certainly things that we would have been better off by avoiding, one side has acknowledged that he may die, whilst the other refuses to fight. The problem abou bombing civillian populations is that regardless of their beliefs, views or positions, they will all be killed. At least in military operations both sides are trying to kill each other; they are both justidfiably fighting for their lives.
Anyways, considering the state of Japanese morale at the time, I doubt he would have been killed.
by Anemos Major » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:37 pm
Brogavia wrote:Every other engagement in the war suggests otherwise.
Not dropping the bomb would have meant millions of Americans dead or wounded. The first wave was expected to suffer almost total losses. The Japanese losses would have been tens of millions. The civilian population that did resist would have committed suicide, or forced to.
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by Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:38 pm
Anemos Major wrote:By the end ofthe war, most of the population was disillusioned by the whole affair. ANyways, there was no such thing as the IJA by that point; it'd been all but wiped out. At the very least, you could have used the atomic bomb in a Show of Force near Tokyo, instead of dropping it on a major city. Nagasaki was a major port, so it's partly justifiable. But Hiroshima? I mean, exactly what purpose did that serve?
Remember; at the beginning of WWII, you had fanatical Nazi soldiers shooting at the enemy. By the end, the same Heer troops were gunning down SS officers so they could desert. Morale is a powerful thing, and Japan had none left.
by Fasdia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:39 pm
by Altergo » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:40 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Saint Clair Island wrote:We should also have dropped a nuke on Hollywood and L.A., to keep them from producing all those dumb romantic comedies and such-like.
I second this motion!
by Saint Clair Island » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:41 pm
Fasdia wrote:How worryingly bizarre. I haven't had much luck romantically but I'd rather be alone then participate in this freakish lifestyle.
by Montanaa » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:43 pm
by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:45 pm
Anemos Major wrote:Brogavia wrote:Every other engagement in the war suggests otherwise.
Not dropping the bomb would have meant millions of Americans dead or wounded. The first wave was expected to suffer almost total losses. The Japanese losses would have been tens of millions. The civilian population that did resist would have committed suicide, or forced to.
By the end ofthe war, most of the population was disillusioned by the whole affair. ANyways, there was no such thing as the IJA by that point; it'd been all but wiped out. At the very least, you could have used the atomic bomb in a Show of Force near Tokyo, instead of dropping it on a major city. Nagasaki was a major port, so it's partly justifiable. But Hiroshima? I mean, exactly what purpose did that serve?
Remember; at the beginning of WWII, you had fanatical Nazi soldiers shooting at the enemy. By the end, the same Heer troops were gunning down SS officers so they could desert. Morale is a powerful thing, and Japan had none left.
by Anemos Major » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:46 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:While I agree that we could have dropped the bomb somewhere else, they were ready to pull out the suicide bombers if we invaded. Either way, the Atomic had/would have saved thousands of lives.
Montanaa wrote:I wrote to the Japanese Diet once, saying "Take away that 1 child or whatever law, there's not enough women there, and on a side note, your economy will collapse if you don't keep having babies to replace the old peoples ". True story
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by Brogavia » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:48 pm
Anemos Major wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:While I agree that we could have dropped the bomb somewhere else, they were ready to pull out the suicide bombers if we invaded. Either way, the Atomic had/would have saved thousands of lives.
But at what cost? The problem is that each side will sympathize with their own, a perfectly reasonable thing. Every life lost in that war was a loss. It's not a matter of which side they were on; they were, at the end, all people. Either way, there would have been losses. It's just that the USA did what was best for their people, and I cannot hold anything against that.Montanaa wrote:I wrote to the Japanese Diet once, saying "Take away that 1 child or whatever law, there's not enough women there, and on a side note, your economy will collapse if you don't keep having babies to replace the old peoples ". True story
Well, they were probably laughing then; that's a Chinese law.
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