Japan gets weirder...

[H N Fiddlebottoms VIII]

Since there is so much talk about how bad it was that americans used atomic bombs against japan lets bring up the fact that the Japanese did not have clean hands in WW2... the Bhaatan Death March ring a bell anyone?

You remember when they nuked two major US cities?

No - because that's never fucking happened.

No, but the Japanese did use chemical and biological weapons on civilian populations, among other atrocities, while seisening the fuck out of China. It is also worth noting that more than twice as many Japanese civilians were killed by conventional, strategic bombings than by the nuclear attacks. In the vast ocean of misery that was the 1930's and 1940's, nuclear weapons were just a particularly flashy teaspoon.

[L3 Communications]

You know, a thought occurred to me, does he do Ventriloquism in order to give the pillow a voice?

When he's sexing it up, he talks in a girly voice to make it seem like the pillow is enjoying it. >_>

Well now I won't be able to sleep....Thanks...

You're very welcome.

[NERVUN]

I am.

The US military had two different designs of nuclear devices they wanted tested in an actual arena where real damage and real casualties could be evaluated.

Dropping bombs on Japan had nothing to do with saving lives - American or otherwise.

And, being Grave_n_idle, I'm sure this is not just supposition on your part. To make such a dogmatic statement about the exact reason why the bombs were dropped, you must have proof.

I have at least as much evidence as the claim I was responding to, which I notice you didn't question.

There are two different nuclear technologies accounted for by the two devices, that had not ever been tested 'in theatre'. There were other possible ways to address the Japan situation without dropping nuclear technology on civilian centres, but the nuclear option was pushed through anyway.

Sure, there's a lot of talk about sparing casualties. But talk is talk.

I notice you didn't actually provide any proof.

[Non Aligned States]

NAS... I think you just described over half of NSG...

Nah. It's only a tiny portion of it. Most of NSG gives the impression that those books are their girlfriends, but a goodly portion are already married/in a relationship with flesh and blood humans. The ones who aren't and argue rather loudly tend to have their egos as girlfriends.

[H N Fiddlebottoms VIII]

Keep it on topic people, or you might give the impression that instead of pillows, history books detailing atrocities are your girlfriends.

Our love is something you could never understand! Now, if you'll excuse me, I intend to spend the next 30 minutes massaging the spines of my harem.

[Allbeama]

Since there is so much talk about how bad it was that americans used atomic bombs against japan lets bring up the fact that the Japanese did not have clean hands in WW2... the Bhaatan Death March ring a bell anyone?

You remember when they nuked two major US cities?

No - because that's never fucking happened.

I brought that up (obviously) to indicate that it was a war and fucked up shit happens in a war... the US government issued a warning that said essentially surrender or face destruction never seen before. and so far since. I don't codone the use of nuclear/atomic force, but I don't judge the past on what we know or believe now. I think its best to apply the lessons of the past to the present and create a better future. big weapons work but is it worth it? I'm glad its not my call to make. I don't think people should bitch about it too much that doesnt change it. it can't be changed. but we can try not to do the same fucked up shit twice. I'm not eager to jump in and say that japan was innocent and the big mean US came and bullied the poor militaristic authoritarian state. And anyone who says the war was started for a stupid reason I sure hope they aren't neo-nazis cause it was all hitlers fault.

[Daistallia 2104]

Since there is so much talk about how bad it was that americans used atomic bombs against japan lets bring up the fact that the Japanese did not have clean hands in WW2... the Bhaatan Death March ring a bell anyone?

You remember when they nuked two major US cities?

No - because that's never fucking happened.

Which wasn't for lack of trying. They did use WMDs against civilian populations however.

Since 1940, in Chinese theater, Ishii Shiro had led his Unit 731 to engage in biological warfare by attacking Ningpo, Chinhua, Chuchou of Chechiang province (during the Japanese-Soviet war at Nomonhan, Mongolia in the summer of 1939, Unit 731 was dispatched to the front to make bacterial assault). To retaliate the U.S. air raid of Tokyo led by Col. Doolittle in April 1942, from which over 60 U.S. airmen were rescued in Chechiang area, Japan launched a largescale mopping-up campaign, in which several hundred men from Unit 731 and its subsidiary Unit 1644 of Nanking took part. Early in November 1941, Unit 731 dispatched an airplane to spread bubonic plague at Changte, Hunan, which was verified by Dr. E. J. Bannon of American Presbyterian Church hospital at Changte. The event was well known to American and British intelligence agencies at Chungking and besides the Chinese government had fully informed the American and British government of it through its ambassadors Wellington Koo at London and Hu Shih at Washington. Chinese authorities had long learned that Japan used biological warfare against China and had repeatedly appealed to international communities for help. Before making their escape at the time of Japanese surrender, Japanese in Unit 731 set free scores of thousands of infected rats that caused widespread plague in 22 counties of Heilungchiang and Kirin provinces that took more than 20,000 Chinese lives.

http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/germwar/731rev.htm

Groundbreaking work by Sheldon H. Harris, a Cal State Northridge historian, helped establish that Japan's infamous Unit 731 had conducted large-scale biological warfare experiments in northern China. Harris, who died last year, had filed hundreds of Freedom of Information Act requests to gather information for his 1994 book "Factories of Death: Japanese Biological Warfare, 1932-1945, and the American Cover-Up."

In it, Harris wrote that U.S. authorities protected high-level Japanese scientists from prosecution in exchange for their data. At the time, the United States was developing its own biological warfare program.

Activists charge that the U.S. government has reclassified some of the documents it had previously declassified. They also say the Japanese government has undisclosed records.

Harris said that as many as 12,000 people died in Japanese laboratories after they were infected with anthrax, cholera, typhoid and plague, and that more than 250,000 civilians were killed as a result of Japanese field tests in the Chinese countryside.

Last year, a Japanese court, ending decades of denial, acknowledged for the first time that Unit 731 "used bacteriological weapons under the order of the imperial Japanese Army's headquarters" in occupied China in the 1930s and 1940s.

But the court rejected compensation for the 180 plaintiffs, saying that the compensation issues had been settled under postwar treaties between Japan and China. Each plaintiff sought about $85,000.

Despite the court finding, the Japanese government denies that its Army ever used biological agents in China.

Yang Wanzhu, director of the Institute of Germ Warfare Research in Chengde, China, and a member of the visiting group, said he believed that the toll of Japan's biological warfare was much higher than previously thought. Thus far, in Chengde Prefecture alone, 7,643 deaths have been confirmed, he said.

But the full extent of the deaths is not known, he said, because so many people fled the town and escaped to the countryside after Unit 731's aircraft allegedly dropped "36 kilos of plague germ-carrying fleas to Chengde on Nov. 4, 1941."

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/12 ... -warfare12

[Lunatic Goofballs]

NAS... I think you just described over half of NSG...

Nah. It's only a tiny portion of it. Most of NSG gives the impression that those books are their girlfriends, but a goodly portion are already married/in a relationship with flesh and blood humans. The ones who aren't and argue rather loudly tend to have their egos as girlfriends.

My girlfriend is a mud pit. Don't tell my wife.

[Daistallia 2104]

Keep it on topic people, or you might give the impression that instead of pillows, history books detailing atrocities are your girlfriends.

Now you leave my GF outta this!

Tell me about it! 34 C and 60% humidity here in Sakai today.

Don't get me started. The fricken rainy season was supposed to have ended by now!

Everythings running late these days. Just think how long it tooks us to get to round 357,440 of the great nukeing Japan debate.

[Non Aligned States]

My girlfriend is a mud pit. Don't tell my wife.

Your wife is an agent of the state, one of the very few non-military ones to have yankee white clearance level. As your spouse, all information that the NSA has on you has been passed onto her on a need-to-know basis. The mud pit was one part of it. You didn't think those mouse traps in the mud pit just happened to fall in there by accident now did you?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

My girlfriend is a mud pit. Don't tell my wife.

Your wife is an agent of the state, one of the very few non-military ones to have yankee white clearance level. As your spouse, all information that the NSA has on you has been passed onto her on a need-to-know basis. The mud pit was one part of it. You didn't think those mouse traps in the mud pit just happened to fall in there by accident now did you?

Those things really hurt you know.

[Katganistan]

Thread of pillow sex
Now is about atom bombs
Mission accomplished

Thread hijackers note
Moderator in the thread
Is not much amused.

[NERVUN]

Keep it on topic people, or you might give the impression that instead of pillows, history books detailing atrocities are your girlfriends.

Now you leave my GF outta this!

Tell me about it! 34 C and 60% humidity here in Sakai today.

Don't get me started. The fricken rainy season was supposed to have ended by now!

Everythings running late these days. Just think how long it tooks us to get to round 357,440 of the great nukeing Japan debate.

I thought it was due to the move from Jolt and all the new people on the board. Everyone else had learned NOT to start up this topic with the two of us here.

[Non Aligned States]

I thought it was due to the move from Jolt and all the new people on the board. Everyone else had learned NOT to start up this topic with the two of us here.

Well let's start something related then, Mr not so secret otaku

Think this increasing trend is related to the NEET problem?

[Anemos Major]

I thought it was due to the move from Jolt and all the new people on the board. Everyone else had learned NOT to start up this topic with the two of us here.

Well let's start something related then, Mr not so secret otaku

Think this increasing trend is related to the NEET problem?

The NEET problem? Possibly, but Japan is a sexually f***ed up country either way; it's just a continuation of that trend, and that's also why I said at the beginning that it's nothing new.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Thread of pillow sex
Now is about atom bombs
Mission accomplished

Thread hijackers note
Moderator in the thread
Is not much amused.

Somehow I suspect
Kat would be more amused by
A-bomb pillow love.



How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb...pillow.

[Allbeama]

Since there is so much talk about how bad it was that americans used atomic bombs against japan lets bring up the fact that the Japanese did not have clean hands in WW2... the Bhaatan Death March ring a bell anyone?

Are you telling me that the USA is completely innocent, even with the exclusion of the atomic weapons?

No but I might have indicated something to the effect that no one is innocent in a war except neutral countries that get invaded... when you actively participate in war some messed up shit is going to happen.

[Anemos Major]

Ignoring the mod
A foolhardy attempt at
Open defiance

[Daistallia 2104]

I thought it was due to the move from Jolt and all the new people on the board. Everyone else had learned NOT to start up this topic with the two of us here.

Well let's start something related then, Mr not so secret otaku

Think this increasing trend is related to the NEET problem?

I'd say sort of. This sort of behaviour is not so much a result of the NEET issue, but rather both are related symptoms of Japan's social ills.

I posted this earlier, but for those who missed it, here's an interesting essay covering the wider issues:
http://www.feer.com/essays/2009/july/wi ... er-grow-up

To quote from a discussion of on fuckedgaijin.com the article I posted above:

[quote=Dragonette]...adult childishness was always around in J-culture…
[quote=nottu]and an integral aspect of primal masculine release from the pressures of current reality of civilized society.
It occurs in other non-J civilized cultures in a different manner. It is necessary in order to suppress and replace other masculine release methods so that everything flows.
The alternatives are feminine men (already growing world wide) or a step up in brutality (also occurring).
Interesting trichotomy…[/quote][/quote]
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/show ... hp?t=23316

[Anemos Major]

War and messed up shit
Couple it with pillow love
And it's messier

[Aelosia]

I thought it was due to the move from Jolt and all the new people on the board. Everyone else had learned NOT to start up this topic with the two of us here.

Well let's start something related then, Mr not so secret otaku

Think this increasing trend is related to the NEET problem?

The NEET problem? Possibly, but Japan is a sexually f***ed up country either way; it's just a continuation of that trend, and that's also why I said at the beginning that it's nothing new.

Not really. Not all people over there are so fucked up. Actually, the fucked up people are a minority, as far as I saw.

I have met so many fucked up people from so many countries that I have realized everyone has its own, the only problem in Japan is that people is usually more open about it, perhaps due to the lack of a religious background against it, and they get more publicity and media attention.

[Redwulf]

Since there is so much talk about how bad it was that americans used atomic bombs against japan lets bring up the fact that the Japanese did not have clean hands in WW2... the Bhaatan Death March ring a bell anyone?

Once more lets not.

Blah blah thread jack blah blah geeks hot for cartoon chicks blah blah . . .

[Anemos Major]

Socially inept
The Japanese like pillows
But not humankind.

In all seriousness, it is a result of the lack of sexuality amongst today's generation.There just isn't any more interested, and sometimes you can see why; in the working environment tht is Japan, your entire life is effectively devoted to yourself; why, then, spend your own money on crying children? Because people live in the 'now', there is no interest in the 'tomorrow'.

[Anemos Major]

Since there is so much talk about how bad it was that americans used atomic bombs against japan lets bring up the fact that the Japanese did not have clean hands in WW2... the Bhaatan Death March ring a bell anyone?

Once more lets not.

Blah blah thread jack blah blah geeks hot for cartoon chicks blah blah . . .

THread jack... yes...

Excuse me, but does your nation name draw inspiration from Red Bull, by any chance?

[Daistallia 2104]

The NEET problem? Possibly, but Japan is a sexually f***ed up country either way; it's just a continuation of that trend, and that's also why I said at the beginning that it's nothing new.

There's certainly a lot of abnormal sexuality here, but I do think it's a fairly recent modern trend. One big contributing factors is the absence of a father figure in most homes, which is a result of modern Japan's economic structure post-Meiji. Another big one is the high levels of urban density. And yet another is the post-Meiji introduction of Western, particularly Anglo, sexual mores layered superficially over Confucian mores.