Evolution or Creationism

[Calixs]

it hasn't thats why its a theory still
though we have have found a bacteria with a completely different DNA structure

So Gravity might not exist?

the thing is gravity is a "law" of science it cannot be proven wrong
evolution still has holes in the evidence to support it

also i believe in evolution

[Cathonum]

So Gravity might not exist?

the thing is gravity is a "law" of science it cannot be proven wrong
evolution still has holes in the evidence to support it

also i believe in evolution

STOP CONFUSING THEORY WITH HYPOTHESIS.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evolution

[Unhealthy2]

You realize that the Big Bang was a theory developed with a creator in mind as the initiator, right?

Not really. Even Lemaître, a Catholic priest and scholar, and one of the first to propose the "primeval atom," objected to the pope insisting that the big bang "proved" the creation.

[The Norwegian Blue]

So Gravity might not exist?

the thing is gravity is a "law" of science it cannot be proven wrong
evolution still has holes in the evidence to support it

also i believe in evolution

Wanna hear something scary? I haven't checked this thread in a few days. On a whim, I clicked on the last page and said to myself, "I bet someone on this page will be fucking up what 'theory' and 'law' mean yet again."

Stop proving me right, NSG. It makes me sad.

[Sociobiology]

So Gravity might not exist?

the thing is gravity is a "law" of science it cannot be proven wrong
evolution still has holes in the evidence to support it

also i believe in evolution

no everything in science including laws have the little (but may change with new information) tag.
gravity as a force is not a law it is part of the theory of gravity. the law merely states that objects are attracted to each other in the inverse square of their distance.

I would love an example of a hole, being a scientist and all thats were we find the most interesting things to study.

[Zairoon]

According to creationists, God made rainbows, porcupines and marijuana. And they think evolution is "random".

[Deathly]

the thing is gravity is a "law" of science it cannot be proven wrong
evolution still has holes in the evidence to support it

also i believe in evolution

no everything in science including laws have the little (but may change with new information) tag.
gravity as a force is not a law it is part of the theory of gravity. the law merely states that objects are attracted to each other in the inverse square of their distance.

I would love an example of a hole, being a scientist and all thats were we find the most interesting things to study.

mouth, nose, black, butt.... sorry I could not help it.

[Kobeanare]

According to creationists, God made rainbows, porcupines and marijuana. And they think evolution is "random".

[The Alma Mater]

it hasn't thats why its a theory still
though we have have found a bacteria with a completely different DNA structure

So Gravity might not exist?

THere are several popular hypotheses that say gravity does not exist as an actual force, yes. Often they involve space curvature.

[Unhealthy2]

I would love an example of a hole,

Well you goddangedid evil-lutionists ain't never seen this happen yet has ya? Therefur they ain't no evil-lution!

If fire type animals won't evolve into grass type animals over the course of their lifetimes, evolution ain't real!

[Sociobiology]

Let's not. And anyway, Pascal's Wager doesn't hold water. At the very least, we don't have enough real information to make an informed decision on our bet.

And how did "other peoples myths" get into the Bible.

True Pascal's wager does not hold water as far as truth goes. However, I do not think either of us will successfully persuade the other.
Truth is Truth no matter where you find it. That is how "other peoples myths" got into the Bible. There was some degree of truth, which the Biblical Author saw, not literal saw, God reveal as truth, but was not completely true and needed to be rewritten as truth.

pascals wager makes two false assumptions.
1. there is only one god to choose from. so blatantly wrong I shouldn't need to give an example.
2. It assumes going through the motions but no believing is rewarded.

[Dynaminterra]

1) i would like to point out to all you self-serving "x is a theory" people that the whole purpose of calling it a "theory" proves that the scientist has the GUTS! to prove they MAY be wrong, you're WAY more likely to get hit by a plane then for half of these "theories" to be wrong. some theories are wrong, usually the more advanced ones about universal expansion and multiple dimensions.

2) science gave us computers, religion gave us jack. (don't debate that religion gave us morals, I'm more moral then HALF the religious nuts I've seen, and it isn't because of the threat from some almighty being. in fact i feel sorry for humanity if it NEEDS an almighty being to keep it from committing crimes.)

3) religions a theory too, there IS a chance that it is wrong, you're just to afraid to admit that.

now on to a constructive debate about the facts supporting either.....

there is, in fact a possibility that god exists, it isn't as likely as most statistics show, but it is there. in fact this line of thinking is much more "pleasant" which is probably why it is so popular. also evolution and creationism aren't completely exclusive. it is possible that god created evolution (this is from a purely hypothetical standpoint, i doubt this outcome.)

OK, I'm done my rant. in fact, after reading more closely it appears that the argument here is far less heated then it appeared at first, though i will keep my comment in case something arises in the future. i just get really upset when facts are bent, and people are attacked. LOL to the marijuana comment.

[Sociobiology]

I would love an example of a hole,

Well you goddangedid evil-lutionists ain't never seen this happen yet has ya? Therefur they ain't no evil-lution!

If fire type animals won't evolve into grass type animals over the course of their lifetimes, evolution ain't real!

sssh, I'm getting closer to a bingo than I have in ages, I still haven't gotten one yet.
http://vampiraldi.deviantart.com/art/Cr ... ettik&qo=3

[Tipidemica]

I would like to make a comment on "If Humans Evolved from Monkeys, why are there still monkeys concept":
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, monkeys and humans evolved off the same creature and evolved differently, that species died out because it wasn't able to adapt. That leaves only Monkeys and humans. (In this example, in real life: Everything evolved off the same creature; because we are all carbon based life-forms.)


Check. Mate.

[Beldonia]

I would like to make a comment on "If Humans Evolved from Monkeys, why are there still monkeys concept":
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, monkeys and humans evolved off the same creature and evolved differently, that species died out because it wasn't able to adapt. That leaves only Monkeys and humans. (In this example, in real life: Everything evolved off the same creature; because we are all carbon based life-forms.)


Check. Mate.

Good logic. We all knew that, though.

[Tipidemica]

I would like to make a comment on "If Humans Evolved from Monkeys, why are there still monkeys concept":
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, monkeys and humans evolved off the same creature and evolved differently, that species died out because it wasn't able to adapt. That leaves only Monkeys and humans. (In this example, in real life: Everything evolved off the same creature; because we are all carbon based life-forms.)


Check. Mate.

Good logic. We all knew that, though.

But, there are some kids on this site who are stupid enough to believe their troll parents who post on this site.

[The Black Forrest]

I would like to make a comment on "If Humans Evolved from Monkeys, why are there still monkeys concept":
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, monkeys and humans evolved off the same creature and evolved differently, that species died out because it wasn't able to adapt. That leaves only Monkeys and humans. (In this example, in real life: Everything evolved off the same creature; because we are all carbon based life-forms.)


Check. Mate.

Actually apes would be a closer divergence.......

[Tipidemica]

I would like to make a comment on "If Humans Evolved from Monkeys, why are there still monkeys concept":
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, monkeys and humans evolved off the same creature and evolved differently, that species died out because it wasn't able to adapt. That leaves only Monkeys and humans. (In this example, in real life: Everything evolved off the same creature; because we are all carbon based life-forms.)


Check. Mate.

Actually apes would be a closer divergence.......

But I posted that mostly due to that little Bingo Game piece thing a person posted. But either way, you could say the same exact thing while comparing any two living organisms if you back trace it far enough.

[The New Gaula Reich]

Evolution, here's my evidence: cats.

[Kylarosa]

I would like to make a comment on "If Humans Evolved from Monkeys, why are there still monkeys concept":
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, monkeys and humans evolved off the same creature and evolved differently, that species died out because it wasn't able to adapt. That leaves only Monkeys and humans. (In this example, in real life: Everything evolved off the same creature; because we are all carbon based life-forms.)


Check. Mate.

Actually apes would be a closer divergence.......

No Chimpansees are our closest relative which was found out when the genetic trichotomy was solved.

And Evolution is a scientific law. Theres no debate. Creationists are definetely 100% wrong. It actually totally impossible to disprove evolution. Its the most certain thing in all of existance. Theres more evidence for evolution then anything else in existance from multiple different disciplines. If creation was real that would have to mean that reality is a delusion. Theres no other option ad there are places for delusional people.

The theory in the theory of evolution refers to a type of scientific law which is distinct from the other scientific and better known term 'theory' which refers to a hypothysis backed up by evidence.
When talking about theory in the theory of evolution it is referring to a scientific law which cannot be shortened to a single statement because of its complexity ( a single statyement like the laws of thermodynamics)
This means everything has been tried to disprove evolution and it has failed. Evolution is a fact. There are no holes in it and no missing links, not anymore. But thats not to say we know everything about evolution because different organisms co-opted different unique ways at achieving their evolutionary potential.
The only reason to be confused with how evolution could happen is because you haven't looked at the actual evidence or you mightn't be able to understand it which would require further reading. But I'm a geneticist and its really really obvious. You can even see evolutionary mistakes in the genome which had to evolve to be corrected for to improve evolutionary fitness. So evolution doesn't look like it was guided by a divine hand either. Its more like a complex system that was just left to run.

Most people don't understand that there are two meanings to a scientific theory. One is a scientific law which cannot be shortened to a single statement and the second is a hypothysis backed up with evidence.All these peoples beliefs collectively aren't worth their weight in salt because its an opinion and a wrong one at that. Mother Nature has spoken. Debate over.


Also a common misperception is that evolution has to do with the creation of life. It doesn't. Evolution is how life chanes and adapts when it already exists. If it didn't the human race wouldn't be around today.

[Norstal]

I would love an example of a hole,

Well you goddangedid evil-lutionists ain't never seen this happen yet has ya? Therefur they ain't no evil-lution!

If fire type animals won't evolve into grass type animals over the course of their lifetimes, evolution ain't real!

Creationists used Ignorance!
CRITICAL HIT!

[Dynaminterra]

God meet my new friend....

DARWIN!

[Innsmothe]

God meet my new friend....

DARWIN!
(Image)

Though alot of his earlier work is being improved upon, especially after the discovery of DNA and genes.

[Ceannairceach]

God meet my new friend....

DARWIN!
(Image)

Though alot of his earlier work is being improved upon, especially after the discovery of DNA and genes.

Give him credit, though; he did do a lot to advance it. With the help of his partner who's name escapes me...