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Evolution or Creationism

Evolution
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Creationism
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Other (please state)
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Who cares?
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Deathly
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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:17 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Deathly wrote:Would not law be the highest, example Law of Gravity. Scientific proven through mathematics, yet still science.


Nope. Go check out the difference between laws and theories and the historical reasons for the names. It is fascinating ;)

A scientific law or scientific principle is a concise verbal or mathematical statement of a relation that expresses a fundamental principle of science, like Newton's law of universal gravitation.
Thats what Wiki says. yes i know Wiki is not credible.
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I believe in Evolution, no I am not going to Hell for it. I also believe in Intelligent Design. I believe Yahweh created the ability for organisms to Evolve. After all, would not an Intelligent Designer design the creation to survive and adapt to the environment?
Even though the Mayans may have made a really good calendar; I will put my trust in the God who created time.

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Postby Bottle » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:20 pm

Deathly wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Evolutionary Theory has been proven.

If it is proven then why is it still called a Theory?

LISTEN UP PLEASE

I am about to answer this question for you. I am going to answer it clearly and using very simple words.

I will do this even though you are approximately the 50 bazillionth person to ask this same inane question, and the 10 bazillionth to ask it in this thread alone.

As repayment for my generosity, I ask one thing and one thing only:

Never. Ask. This. Question. Again.

Now then.

"The Theory Of Evolution" may sound like a nice long name, but it's actually a nick-name. The FULL name of the theory is "The Theory Of Evolution Via Natural Selection."

Evolution occurs. This is a fact. It is not a theory that evolution takes place; we know it does. We see it. We study it. It occurs. I have personally observed evolution, first hand, in a college biology class.

The theory is about HOW evolution occurs. The theory is that evolution occurs via natural selection.

Call the Theory by its full name, and you won't be confused ever again!

Ever. Again.
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Postby Sociobiology » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:21 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Deathly wrote:Would not law be the highest, example Law of Gravity. Scientific proven through mathematics, yet still science.


Nope. Go check out the difference between laws and theories and the historical reasons for the names. It is fascinating ;)


a law is just a repeated observation, a theory explains those observations and makes predictions about future observations.
law of cake: people in general like to eat cake
theory of cake: people like to eat cake due to various contents of the cake (sugar, starch, ect.) stimulating the taste receptors originally evolved to identify highly nutritious food in animal ancestors. This is reinforced by social priming associating cake with rewards or celebration.

see why the theory is more valuable, and more powerful.
for one the theory predicts other food that humans would like to eat.
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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:23 pm

Bottle wrote:
Deathly wrote:If it is proven then why is it still called a Theory?

LISTEN UP PLEASE

I am about to answer this question for you. I am going to answer it clearly and using very simple words.

I will do this even though you are approximately the 50 bazillionth person to ask this same inane question, and the 10 bazillionth to ask it in this thread alone.

As repayment for my generosity, I ask one thing and one thing only:

Never. Ask. This. Question. Again.

Now then.

"The Theory Of Evolution" may sound like a nice long name, but it's actually a nick-name. The FULL name of the theory is "The Theory Of Evolution Via Natural Selection."

Evolution occurs. This is a fact. It is not a theory that evolution takes place; we know it does. We see it. We study it. It occurs. I have personally observed evolution, first hand, in a college biology class.

The theory is about HOW evolution occurs. The theory is that evolution occurs via natural selection.

Call the Theory by its full name, and you won't be confused ever again!

Ever. Again.

I was only pointing out that it is not Law, there are still things that may not be true inside evolution via Natural selection. I am not arguing against evolution. I think to some degree it is true, however not totally true.
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I believe in Evolution, no I am not going to Hell for it. I also believe in Intelligent Design. I believe Yahweh created the ability for organisms to Evolve. After all, would not an Intelligent Designer design the creation to survive and adapt to the environment?
Even though the Mayans may have made a really good calendar; I will put my trust in the God who created time.

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Postby Intangelon » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:25 pm

Put your hands together.

It's said that God created the earth in six days. Well, what's a day to an omnipotence/omnipresence? Why, it could be millions or billions of years, by golly. Who's to say evolution isn't part of the creative process?
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:26 pm

Deathly wrote:
Bottle wrote:LISTEN UP PLEASE

I am about to answer this question for you. I am going to answer it clearly and using very simple words.

I will do this even though you are approximately the 50 bazillionth person to ask this same inane question, and the 10 bazillionth to ask it in this thread alone.

As repayment for my generosity, I ask one thing and one thing only:

Never. Ask. This. Question. Again.

Now then.

"The Theory Of Evolution" may sound like a nice long name, but it's actually a nick-name. The FULL name of the theory is "The Theory Of Evolution Via Natural Selection."

Evolution occurs. This is a fact. It is not a theory that evolution takes place; we know it does. We see it. We study it. It occurs. I have personally observed evolution, first hand, in a college biology class.

The theory is about HOW evolution occurs. The theory is that evolution occurs via natural selection.

Call the Theory by its full name, and you won't be confused ever again!

Ever. Again.

I was only pointing out that it is not Law, there are still things that may not be true inside evolution via Natural selection. I am not arguing against evolution. I think to some degree it is true, however not totally true.

Like, what's not true? I would love to learn.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:26 pm

Intangelon wrote:Put your hands together.

It's said that God created the earth in six days. Well, what's a day to an omnipotence/omnipresence? Why, it could be millions or billions of years, by golly. Who's to say evolution isn't part of the creative process?

Apparently, a day to God is a thousand years(so sayeth the bible). So its still wrong.

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Postby Sociobiology » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:30 pm

Deathly wrote:
Bottle wrote:LISTEN UP PLEASE

I am about to answer this question for you. I am going to answer it clearly and using very simple words.

I will do this even though you are approximately the 50 bazillionth person to ask this same inane question, and the 10 bazillionth to ask it in this thread alone.

As repayment for my generosity, I ask one thing and one thing only:

Never. Ask. This. Question. Again.

Now then.

"The Theory Of Evolution" may sound like a nice long name, but it's actually a nick-name. The FULL name of the theory is "The Theory Of Evolution Via Natural Selection."

Evolution occurs. This is a fact. It is not a theory that evolution takes place; we know it does. We see it. We study it. It occurs. I have personally observed evolution, first hand, in a college biology class.

The theory is about HOW evolution occurs. The theory is that evolution occurs via natural selection.

Call the Theory by its full name, and you won't be confused ever again!

Ever. Again.

I was only pointing out that it is not Law, there are still things that may not be true inside evolution via Natural selection. I am not arguing against evolution. I think to some degree it is true, however not totally true.


Ok no, theories cannot ever become laws, laws are different structures, than theories, laws are only recordive in nature and predict themselves. while theories are explanatory and predict other testable scenarios.
theories predict laws, laws cannot predict theories.
the law of evolution is: the morphology and genetic profile of populations of organisms change over time, the Theory of natural selection is the only theory explaining this with any evidence, in fact it has such overwhelming evidence that other theories and laws are built on top of it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:34 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Deathly wrote:I was only pointing out that it is not Law, there are still things that may not be true inside evolution via Natural selection. I am not arguing against evolution. I think to some degree it is true, however not totally true.


Ok no, theories cannot ever become laws, laws are different structures, than theories, laws are only recordive in nature and predict themselves. while theories are explanatory and predict other testable scenarios.
theories predict laws, laws cannot predict theories.
the law of evolution is: the morphology and genetic profile of populations of organisms change over time, the Theory of natural selection is the only theory explaining this with any evidence, in fact it has such overwhelming evidence that other theories and laws are built on top of it.


When was the last thing declared to be a law?.......
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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:34 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Intangelon wrote:Put your hands together.

It's said that God created the earth in six days. Well, what's a day to an omnipotence/omnipresence? Why, it could be millions or billions of years, by golly. Who's to say evolution isn't part of the creative process?

Apparently, a day to God is a thousand years(so sayeth the bible). So its still wrong.

Where?
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I believe in Evolution, no I am not going to Hell for it. I also believe in Intelligent Design. I believe Yahweh created the ability for organisms to Evolve. After all, would not an Intelligent Designer design the creation to survive and adapt to the environment?
Even though the Mayans may have made a really good calendar; I will put my trust in the God who created time.

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Postby Arkinesia » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:35 pm

Intangelon wrote:Put your hands together.

It's said that God created the earth in six days. Well, what's a day to an omnipotence/omnipresence? Why, it could be millions or billions of years, by golly. Who's to say evolution isn't part of the creative process?

Then you could also argue that:
  • Jesus took three thousand years to rise
  • The Israelites marched around Jericho once every one thousand years
  • Jesus fasted for forty thousand years
And so on.
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Postby Genivar » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:36 pm

Deathly wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Apparently, a day to God is a thousand years(so sayeth the bible). So its still wrong.

Where?

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:38 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Deathly wrote:I was only pointing out that it is not Law, there are still things that may not be true inside evolution via Natural selection. I am not arguing against evolution. I think to some degree it is true, however not totally true.

Like, what's not true? I would love to learn.

The two reasons I see is one: Should not all of the stages of evolution still be present? Two: How could the beginning "protein strand" evolved if it would have died for lack of food, shelter, and things needed to keep it alive?
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I believe in Evolution, no I am not going to Hell for it. I also believe in Intelligent Design. I believe Yahweh created the ability for organisms to Evolve. After all, would not an Intelligent Designer design the creation to survive and adapt to the environment?
Even though the Mayans may have made a really good calendar; I will put my trust in the God who created time.

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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:39 pm

Genivar wrote:
Deathly wrote:Where?

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

That is a Hyperbole, David is saying that God is so great time, basically, means nothing to Him.
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I believe in Evolution, no I am not going to Hell for it. I also believe in Intelligent Design. I believe Yahweh created the ability for organisms to Evolve. After all, would not an Intelligent Designer design the creation to survive and adapt to the environment?
Even though the Mayans may have made a really good calendar; I will put my trust in the God who created time.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:39 pm

Genivar wrote:
Deathly wrote:Where?

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.


When the earth was the center of the universe?
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Postby Genivar » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:39 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Genivar wrote:Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.


When the earth was the center of the universe?

And flat to.
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Postby Tipidemica » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:40 pm

Well, would you rather follow the trend and be stupid, or be smart and exiled?

And why would you trust a humanly made book rather then a non-human, non-physical super power that is proven by humans?

PS:
How could god make Earth in 6 Earthly day if there is no earth to count said days?
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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:40 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Intangelon wrote:Put your hands together.

It's said that God created the earth in six days. Well, what's a day to an omnipotence/omnipresence? Why, it could be millions or billions of years, by golly. Who's to say evolution isn't part of the creative process?

Then you could also argue that:
  • Jesus took three thousand years to rise
  • The Israelites marched around Jericho once every one thousand years
  • Jesus fasted for forty thousand years
And so on.

Did you know, there are two creation accounts? I think the point of the first is to say God created it, not necessarily literally six days, He could have, but it is unlikely he would do that.
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I believe in Evolution, no I am not going to Hell for it. I also believe in Intelligent Design. I believe Yahweh created the ability for organisms to Evolve. After all, would not an Intelligent Designer design the creation to survive and adapt to the environment?
Even though the Mayans may have made a really good calendar; I will put my trust in the God who created time.

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Postby Genivar » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:41 pm

Deathly wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:Then you could also argue that:
  • Jesus took three thousand years to rise
  • The Israelites marched around Jericho once every one thousand years
  • Jesus fasted for forty thousand years
And so on.

Did you know, there are two creation accounts? I think the point of the first is to say God created it, not necessarily literally six days, He could have, but it is unlikely he would do that.

Where are you getting this? :eyebrow:
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:43 pm

Genivar wrote:
Deathly wrote:Did you know, there are two creation accounts? I think the point of the first is to say God created it, not necessarily literally six days, He could have, but it is unlikely he would do that.

Where are you getting this? :eyebrow:


The two seperate creation accounts are in Genesis. A Book that noone hardly ever reads, yet insists should be taught as the literal truth in schools.
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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:43 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
When the earth was the center of the universe?

And flat to.

First you should find out how some Christians believe the Bible is written, that would explain the authors believing the earth at the center or flat.
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Postby Leepaidamba » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:43 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
When the earth was the center of the universe?

And flat to.

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Postby Tipidemica » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:45 pm

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Genivar wrote:And flat to.

with ships falling below the horizon and returning,


I shat my pants when I saw one of those ships do that. So, I fixed it.
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Postby Deathly » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:46 pm

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Deathly wrote:Did you know, there are two creation accounts? I think the point of the first is to say God created it, not necessarily literally six days, He could have, but it is unlikely he would do that.

Where are you getting this? :eyebrow:

Christians should know the Bible is not perfect or, in my view, the First creation narrative is more of saying how powerful God is, that he could make the world in six days. So the six day Creationism is wrong. I believe, as previously stated, that God gave the opportunity for life to evolve.
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Postby Intangelon » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:47 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Intangelon wrote:Put your hands together.

It's said that God created the earth in six days. Well, what's a day to an omnipotence/omnipresence? Why, it could be millions or billions of years, by golly. Who's to say evolution isn't part of the creative process?

Apparently, a day to God is a thousand years(so sayeth the bible). So its still wrong.

Where in the Bible, please?
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Oh beautiful for pilgrim feet / Whose stern, impassioned stress / A thoroughfare for freedom beat / Across the wilderness!
America! America! / God mend thine ev’ry flaw; / Confirm thy soul in self-control / Thy liberty in law....

Lunatic Goofballs: The problem is that the invisible men in the sky don't tell you how to live your life.
Their fan clubs do.

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