Evolution or Creationism

[Avenio]

All I want to see is a half frog, half mammal.

Not possible. The ancestors of the amphibian branched off from the ancestors of the reptile (And, by extension, us) millions of years before mammals evolved. By the way, to correct something now, we're never going to get a creature that's half-something and half-something-else; the fossils we find are transition fossils, which have a mixture of older and newer traits. But we do have Tiktaalik, a lobe-finned fish that is an early ancestor of the tetrapods, the labyrinthodonts, which contains both ancestors of the reptiles as well as early amphibians, the early synapsids and therapsids, which include examples of mammal-like reptiles and transitional species like the cynodonts. Not to mention the now-famous example of a transitional species between theropods and birds, the archaeopteryx.

Or a half human, half monkey.

Any of the Australopithecines and Paranthropi (I think that's the plural)? Though, again, they're not half-human half-monkey, they're one of our ancestors.

You find a complete or almost complete fossil, I'll consider believing. Until you have outstanding proof, you're all spewing hogwash. But to answer your question, I would believe, if you found said fossil.

We have plenty of complete and near-complete fossils. Archaeopteryx, for example, has some beautifully-preserved fossils (Like the one Sociobiology posted), and the wiki articles I've posted has pictures of plenty of well-preserved specimens.

[Sociobiology]

All I want to see is a half frog, half mammal.

Not possible. The ancestors of the amphibian branched off from the ancestors of the reptile (And, by extension, us) millions of years before mammals evolved. By the way, to correct something now, we're never going to get a creature that's half-something and half-something-else; the fossils we find are transition fossils, which have a mixture of older and newer traits. But we do have Tiktaalik, a lobe-finned fish that is an early ancestor of the tetrapods, the labyrinthodonts, which contains both ancestors of the reptiles as well as early amphibians, the early synapsids and therapsids, which include examples of mammal-like reptiles and transitional species like the cynodonts. Not to mention the now-famous example of a transitional species between theropods and birds, the archaeopteryx.

Or a half human, half monkey.

Any of the Australopithecines and Paranthropi (I think that's the plural)? Though, again, they're not half-human half-monkey, they're one of our ancestors.

You find a complete or almost complete fossil, I'll consider believing. Until you have outstanding proof, you're all spewing hogwash. But to answer your question, I would believe, if you found said fossil.

We have plenty of complete and near-complete fossils. Archaeopteryx, for example, has some beautifully-preserved fossils (Like the one Sociobiology posted), and the wiki articles I've posted has pictures of plenty of well-preserved specimens.

very true mixed characters exist but half/half don't exist, for the same reason the grand parent of a blonde haired and red headed child does not have pink or orange hair.

[Leepaidamba]

And regardless of the fossil evidence, the genetic evidence is sufficient to conclude evolution is the best explanation unless any contradicting evidence comes up.

[Norstal]

And regardless of the fossil evidence, the genetic evidence is sufficient to conclude evolution is the best explanation unless any contradicting evidence comes up.

As I've said before, creationists don't believe in cows.

[Bottle]

Is the amphibious frog not between a fish and a land dwelling mammal then ?How many "in betweens" do you need before being satisfied ? If we find something between A and B (let us call it AB) - will you demand we then show something between A and AB

All I want to see is a half frog, half mammal. Or a half human, half monkey. You find a complete or almost complete fossil, I'll consider believing. Until you have outstanding proof, you're all spewing hogwash. But to answer your question, I would believe, if you found said fossil.

If anybody finds a half-mammal half-frog, that will be evidence that the theory of evolution is WRONG. Evolutionary theory is pretty clear about this.

So again, you are saying you won't believe in evolution unless you are given proof that evolution isn't true.

[Leepaidamba]

And regardless of the fossil evidence, the genetic evidence is sufficient to conclude evolution is the best explanation unless any contradicting evidence comes up.

As I've said before, creationists don't believe in cows.

Or dogs, cats, goldfish, horses, HIV/AIDS et cetera.

[Farnhamia]

As I've said before, creationists don't believe in cows.

Or dogs, cats, goldfish, horses, HIV/AIDS et cetera.

Or the common cold or sheep or goats or adults drinking milk.

[Tokos]

Who was it who originally pointed out that if a transitional fossil is produced, then creationists will demand another two to fill the resulting gaps?

[Leepaidamba]

Who was it who originally pointed out that if a transitional fossil is produced, then creationists will demand another two to fill the resulting gaps?

It's been said many times by many people. It's also been said that if you show the creationists all five transitions between a and g they'll still demand an æ, when that's not a transition at all.

[The Alma Mater]

Who was it who originally pointed out that if a transitional fossil is produced, then creationists will demand another two to fill the resulting gaps?

It's been said many times by many people. It's also been said that if you show the creationists all five transitions between a and g they'll still demand an æ, when that's not a transition at all.

I am still looking for a cartoon I once saw, with a wheel of fortune /hangman board, where it was very clear based on the available letters that the word was supposed to be evolution, yet the candidate insisted that could not possibly be correct and the answer had to be Intelligent Design - even though there was no way that could fit.

It would be so nice to post that often

[Free Soviets]

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i want to get this tattooed on me, just so i can have arguments with creationists that mainly involve me taking my shirt off and walking away.

[Coccygia]

OK, OK. But "common ancestor for apes and humans" isn't the least bit funny. Besides, this common ancestor would have been an ape, wouldn't it? Not any living ape, of course, but an ape...or else a monkey.

Oh and sorry about that dead biologist, hope he didn't have a family.

I was taught that the different species of primates evolved from a common ancestor, and that humans evolved from the apes later. I could be wrong though, so I apologize if I've killed any more biologists.

OK, but that ancestor (of apes and humans) must have been pretty much an ape or a monkey (it wouldn't have been, say, a lemur) and most likely an ape, from which the other apes evolved, including us. Even Linnaeus thought that humans should be classified with apes, and he was a Creationist (in his day everybody was, of course).

I guess it's too late to clap my hands for that biologist, eh?

[Sociobiology]

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i want to get this tattooed on me, just so i can have arguments with creationists that mainly involve me taking my shirt off and walking away.

seen it, although I doubt for that reason, very attractive young woman had it across her entire back.

[Xsyne]

I think maybe God created the things that evolved into man.

God made man, and he used the monkey to do it.

[Kormanthor]

Definately Creationism

[Ifreann]

Definately Creationism

Your contribution is totally worth digging up a month old thread.

[Free Soviets]

Definately Creationism

Your contribution is totally worth digging up a month old thread.

what we have here is some sort of evolutionary throwback

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Your contribution is totally worth digging up a month old thread.

what we have here is some sort of evolutionary throwback

Natural selection at work?

[Labno]

In the beginning there was an massive explosion, stars and planets formed, a little spec in the infinite void that we call the universe remained a giant molten sphere till [depending upon which theory you believe] a comet hit earth which gives earth much of its water, or the volcanoes released gases saturated with hydrogen and oxygen which eventually rained upon the earths surface, then crystalline structures formed upon the sea floor which allowed for the formation of relatively simple organisms which eventually left their rocks to float freely in the universe and over time increasing in complexity, then we have a race of insect [like] organisms and fish [like] organisms which began to make a slow ascent upon the land [which had been populated by plants years prior], amphibians, reptiles, mammals, birds evolved, a race of rat [like] organisms began to climb trees to avoid predators, eventually these organisms become primates and squirrels, the primates increase in complexity and a race of gorilla like animals begin to leave the trees in Africa and head for the plain of Africa, they lose their hair and with no knowledge of sunscreen eventually gain tinted skin, from there some of these humans left Africa for other lands, some left towards Europe and due to the lack of knowledge on how to make D vitamin capsules they gain white skin, some leave for [east] Asia and because of they lacked any knowledge on how to adequately defend themselves from climate condition [heat loss] they develop eyes that are in an near perpetual state of squinting, several centuries pass and humans forget where they come from, we wage wars, have technological advancements, and here humanity is today!

Excuse the run on sentence, but I believe this is an adequate history of the universe and life in earth.

I may believe in god but creationism is an farce.

[Sociobiology]

In the beginning there was an massive explosion, stars and planets formed, a little spec in the infinite void that we call the universe remained a giant molten sphere till [depending upon which theory you believe] a comet hit earth which gives earth much of its water, or the volcanoes released gases saturated with hydrogen and oxygen which eventually rained upon the earths surface, then crystalline structures formed upon the sea floor which allowed for the formation of relatively simple organisms which eventually left their rocks to float freely in the universe and over time increasing in complexity, then we have a race of insect [like] organisms and fish [like] organisms which began to make a slow ascent upon the land [which had been populated by plants years prior], amphibians, reptiles, mammals, birds evolved, a race of rat [like] organisms began to climb trees to avoid predators, eventually these organisms become primates and squirrels, the primates increase in complexity and a race of gorilla like animals begin to leave the trees in Africa and head for the plain of Africa, they lose their hair and with no knowledge of sunscreen eventually gain tinted skin, from there some of these humans left Africa for other lands, some left towards Europe and due to the lack of knowledge on how to make D vitamin capsules they gain white skin, some leave for [east] Asia and because of they lacked any knowledge on how to adequately defend themselves from climate condition [heat loss] they develop eyes that are in an near perpetual state of squinting, several centuries pass and humans forget where they come from, we wage wars, have technological advancements, and here humanity is today!

Excuse the run on sentence, but I believe this is an adequate history of the universe and life in earth.

I may believe in god but creationism is an farce.

the big bang is not about an explosion but about the expansion of time and space.

and our recent ancestor would be chimp-like or indeed more like people than chimps (turns out chimps are secondarily quadrupedal. and they descended from bipedal ancestor.)

but other than that it is inline with current theories.

[Wikkiwallana]

Edit: Ignore this post, I didn't check the date of what I was replying to after seeing the thread on the front page. The post I quoted has already been answered.

[Coccygia]

I think maybe God created the things that evolved into man.

God made man, and he used the monkey to do it.

You're saying Man is proof thats God f***ed Monkeys?

[Labno]

In the beginning there was an massive explosion, stars and planets formed, a little spec in the infinite void that we call the universe remained a giant molten sphere till [depending upon which theory you believe] a comet hit earth which gives earth much of its water, or the volcanoes released gases saturated with hydrogen and oxygen which eventually rained upon the earths surface, then crystalline structures formed upon the sea floor which allowed for the formation of relatively simple organisms which eventually left their rocks to float freely in the universe and over time increasing in complexity, then we have a race of insect [like] organisms and fish [like] organisms which began to make a slow ascent upon the land [which had been populated by plants years prior], amphibians, reptiles, mammals, birds evolved, a race of rat [like] organisms began to climb trees to avoid predators, eventually these organisms become primates and squirrels, the primates increase in complexity and a race of gorilla like animals begin to leave the trees in Africa and head for the plain of Africa, they lose their hair and with no knowledge of sunscreen eventually gain tinted skin, from there some of these humans left Africa for other lands, some left towards Europe and due to the lack of knowledge on how to make D vitamin capsules they gain white skin, some leave for [east] Asia and because of they lacked any knowledge on how to adequately defend themselves from climate condition [heat loss] they develop eyes that are in an near perpetual state of squinting, several centuries pass and humans forget where they come from, we wage wars, have technological advancements, and here humanity is today!

Excuse the run on sentence, but I believe this is an adequate history of the universe and life in earth.

I may believe in god but creationism is an farce.

the big bang is not about an explosion but about the expansion of time and space.

and our recent ancestor would be chimp-like or indeed more like people than chimps (turns out chimps are secondarily quadrupedal. and they descended from bipedal ancestor.)

but other than that it is inline with current theories.

I dulled it down into an explosion so as to help explain it to creationists, and as for chimps I believe our predecessors were more like bonobos, orangutans, and gorillas than chimps and several other biologists and palaeontologists also agree with my views as well.

[Dyakovo]

God made man, and he used the monkey to do it.

You're saying Man is proof thats God f***ed Monkeysapes?

Fixed, and yes.

[Leepaidamba]

You're saying Man is proof thats God f***ed Monkeysapes?

Fixed, and yes.

Apes are monkeys. We are monkeys. There's no distinction possible. Every feature monkeys have, apes have too or have lost through evolution.