Why do people hate Mormons?

[EnragedMaldivians]

I don't think Islam is Christian, in any sense, Mediterreania. Abrahamic, yes, but Christian, no.

A lot of people at the time of Islam's founding thought that it was another Christian sect.

Islam considers itself a continuation of Christianity, which, by the time Muhammad arrived had been corrupted by polytheist elements.

Essentially Muhammad was obsessed with a strict interpretation of Monotheism. One, indivisible, childless, God. Shirk - associating partners with God is considered the only unforgivable sin by some Muslims.

From that perspective, Mormonism would be outrageous.

[Conchobar Macnessa]

PS Jews get to heaven first! Did Christianity forget that they're God's chosen people? We gentile Christians (I use that loosely so as not to offend my Modern Christian bretheren) are the red headed step children that tag along for the ride, but Jews go first!

I was making a joke. Jokes are not serious. Jokes are meant to be funny. I might have failed at funny but I wasn't being serious.

Oh junk! No I wasn't arguing (curse texts and not being able to express fully) no I agree, and I wanted to expound that point of doctrine that folk forget. No harm meant!

[Conchobar Macnessa]

PS Jews get to heaven first! Did Christianity forget that they're God's chosen people? We gentile Christians (I use that loosely so as not to offend my Modern Christian bretheren) are the red headed step children that tag along for the ride, but Jews go first!

You serious? Newsflash; 'heaven' isn't real.

Well said, lemme amend that. For those that believe in it, Jews get to heaven first.

[Germanic Mars]

Because Mormons like to have sex with twelve-year-old girls in giant complexes in the desert near the Arizona - Utah Border.

[F1-Insanity]

Do you think Obama is the greatest president that ever lived? What about Abraham Lincoln?

That would be 'no' and 'no'

Call me a lunatic, but maybe folk threw things out of proportion about that snake oil salesman and liar. Maybe he was a genuinely good man. Check your sources.

Official 'mormon' history is where I got my information from. And one can be a generally 'good person' and still have a 'snake oil salesman' side...

but your argument is fair, and yeah, religion from the outside makes no sense. You gotta be in it to understand it fully. And to play devils advocate, could it be possible I already see?

In that case, I recommend an optician

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Could you, please, provide a source for this claim because, frankly, from all the things I've seen about Islam and from people who practice it that I know, I have never heard them calling themselves 'Christian'.

at the time of Islam's founding

And I'm Muslim, I'm just making a satirical statement about my religion.

Aside from a common origin in the Middle East or the honoring of God's pact with Abraham, what else is there?

Yes, Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet but Islam is not based on the figure of Jesus for salvation, sure, there are similarities between the Qu'ran and the Bible, same as with the Torah and the Bible, but that's pretty much where the similarities stop. Hence why the title of Christian doesn't apply to it.

[Mediterreania]

A lot of people at the time of Islam's founding thought that it was another Christian sect.

Islam considers itself a continuation of Christianity, which, by the time Muhammad arrived had been corrupted by polytheist elements.

Essentially Muhammad was obsessed with a strict interpretation of Monotheism. One, indivisible, childless, God. Shirk - associating partners with God is considered the only unforgivable sin by some Muslims.

From that perspective, Mormonism would be outrageous.

Ah, I remember. "Allah begat no son and no man begat Allah."

The traditional Arab faith had gotten a little ridiculous with its "many daughters of God" thing.

[Conchobar Macnessa]

Do you think Obama is the greatest president that ever lived? What about Abraham Lincoln?

That would be 'no' and 'no'

Call me a lunatic, but maybe folk threw things out of proportion about that snake oil salesman and liar. Maybe he was a genuinely good man. Check your sources.

Official 'mormon' history is where I got my information from. And one can be a generally 'good person' and still have a 'snake oil salesman' side...

but your argument is fair, and yeah, religion from the outside makes no sense. You gotta be in it to understand it fully. And to play devils advocate, could it be possible I already see?

In that case, I recommend an optician

Haha, fair enough. What official mormon history, just out of 'blind' curiosity?

[Conchobar Macnessa]

Because Mormons like to have sex with twelve-year-old girls in giant complexes in the desert near the Arizona - Utah Border.

heretics. they give every religion a black mark...

[F1-Insanity]

Haha, fair enough. What official mormon history, just out of 'blind' curiosity?

Sure, I think its called the 'book of mormon' or something.

The Book of mormon is quite possibly the most laughable piece of nonsense ever created. What the book of mormon won't tell you is how, exactly. It is claimed that Joseph Smith "translated" the "book of mormon" ie he took two "seer stones" (stones that only he could look through) and placed them in a hat. Then, while looking through both these stones AND the hat, at the bogus golden plates that no one else ever saw, he "translated" (ie "created") the book of mormon. That's the story about how this book was written. Hey, just like magic! Not to mention the fact that the original book of mormon stated that Joseph Smith was the "author and proprietor." Check out a copy of the original version and see for yourself.

[Volnotova]

The hatred I have towards those people cannot be expressed with words.

That being said, I have my reasons, as some of you may know.

If the worlds wants technological advancement and social and intellectual progress then we need more religious intolerance; not less.

[Korintar]

Today my friend said this to me when we were talking about a girl getting accepted to Brigham Young University

"I guess I don't believe in freedom of religion, because you know, they're just wrong"

Unfortunately I never got to finish the conversation, the bell rang and I had to get to a bus on the other side of the school.

Now, I'm an Atheist, and I honestly don't know a whole lot about Mormonism, or for that matter, even about what ever branch of Christianity my friend follows.

Now he is a pretty hardcore christian, but I've heard plenty of other people made nefarious comments about Mormons as well, even some who aren't all that religious.

Now, I kind of though interdenominational conflict was something mostly confined to the 16th and 17th centuries, and that the main aspect of Mormonism that other branches of christianity didn't like, polygamy, no longer exist in mainstream Mormanism, and for that matter hasn't for some time.




So, Why do people hate Mormons?



Do Mormons hate them back?

and perhaps a silly question, but

Is there a way to get people to be more tolerant?

Personally, I really don't understand why people despise Mormons, as my interactions with people of the Mormon faith have been all positive- they are very nice, respectful, professional, care about their families, and have a deep faith. My only problem with the Mormon Church, based upon what I've heard from my Mormon friends, is the degree of exclusivism and the level of bureacracy in the Church, which is why I won't convert to the faith. Otherwise, they have their faith, and I have mine. We both affirm Christ as the Messiah, but I recognize that Mormon theology and cosmology are very different from trinitarian, Protestant theology and cosmology. I respect Mormonism as it is very much an epistemically humble faith- if there is something that is not clear or confusing about their faith or the teachings of the Church, the leadership will admit that it is beyond their understanding, that it is probably something God has not decided to reveal yet. That is something I agree with as a Protestant Christian.

[The Corparation]

Because Mormons like to have sex with twelve-year-old girls in giant complexes in the desert near the Arizona - Utah Border.

Yeah and how like baptist love to traumatize families of dead soldiers, sue peoples asses off, and are the worlds biggest trolls.

The hatred I have towards those people cannot be expressed with words.

That being said, I have my reasons, as some of you may know.

If the worlds wants technological advancement and social and intellectual progress then we need more religious intolerance; not less.

Please explain why we need to be intolerant assholes to each other.

[Conchobar Macnessa]

Haha, fair enough. What official mormon history, just out of 'blind' curiosity?

Sure, I think its called the 'book of mormon' or something.

The Book of mormon is quite possibly the most laughable piece of nonsense ever created. What the book of mormon won't tell you is how, exactly. It is claimed that Joseph Smith "translated" the "book of mormon" ie he took two "seer stones" (stones that only he could look through) and placed them in a hat. Then, while looking through both these stones AND the hat, at the bogus golden plates that no one else ever saw, he "translated" (ie "created") the book of mormon. That's the story about how this book was written. Hey, just like magic! Not to mention the fact that the original book of mormon stated that Joseph Smith was the "author and proprietor." Check out a copy of the original version and see for yourself.

Oh ok. Though the book of mormon doesn't really have our history, it's really just another Old Testament if you will. Dude I'm really pulling your leg, believe what you want, or don't haha, I just think that it's never been a different argument, I've seen that statement about the validity of the BoM over a million times. If you want Mormon history read the Doctrine and Covenants, that's where you'll find stuff to redicule us about

[Coccygia]

Most of that is true. Plenty consider us Mormons to be non-Christian. I see it differently, but hey: I'm Mormon. We do believe in additional scripture. It supplements and does not replace the Bible (we use the KJV). I'm curious, however, as to where you heard we don't "consider Jesus Christ [to be] the Son of God"? One of the first tenets of the faith is that "We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost."

He's confused. What he was probably meaning is that you don't believe in the Trinity.

I stand corrected. I must have misunderstood the Wikipedia article (or else it was wrong.) But I thought that Mormons consider Jesus not to be divine?

[Conchobar Macnessa]

He's confused. What he was probably meaning is that you don't believe in the Trinity.

I stand corrected. I must have misunderstood the Wikipedia article (or else it was wrong.) But I thought that Mormons consider Jesus not to be divine?

Heavens no. He's God's son the only guy that can redeem us from our sins. He's immortal and eternal. Though the challenge that we don't believe he's divine probably comes from our belief that he has a body, and isn't some incorporeal spirit.

[Coccygia]

I stand corrected. I must have misunderstood the Wikipedia article (or else it was wrong.) But I thought that Mormons consider Jesus not to be divine?

Heavens no. He's God's son the only guy that can redeem us from our sins. He's immortal and eternal. Though the challenge that we don't believe he's divine probably comes from our belief that he has a body, and isn't some incorporeal spirit.

But you don't believe in the Trinity? or that Jesus = God the Father? (Just trying to clarify.)

[Bottle]

One of my best friends is Mormon, I don't hate her. Then again...she's not very strict. I think it's more of the strict Mormons that get on people's nerves because it's polygamy and all.

Read the thread please...

POLYGAMY is not mainstream Mormon custom / practice. It's a radical element within the community...

Yes, do read the thread please...polygamy is a mainstream Mormon doctrine.

[Gauthier]

Because Mormons like to have sex with twelve-year-old girls in giant complexes in the desert near the Arizona - Utah Border.

heretics. they give every religion a black mark...

Unless they're associated with the Bogeyman of the Day, in which case they suddenly become The Norm.

[Conchobar Macnessa]

Heavens no. He's God's son the only guy that can redeem us from our sins. He's immortal and eternal. Though the challenge that we don't believe he's divine probably comes from our belief that he has a body, and isn't some incorporeal spirit.

But you don't believe in the Trinity? or that Jesus = God the Father? (Just trying to clarify.)

No, not in the popular sense. We believe that Jesus is the Son, God is the Father, and the Holy Ghost as their Messenger. But that they're three seperate personages, yet they act as one. Kinda like the intercessory prayer (Let them be one in me as I am in thee) They all have the same purpose, but aren't one incorporeal entity. Folk claim that's polytheism, which I guess in a general sense, maybe. But i understand polytheism as worship of multiple gods. and the only God we worship is God the Father, his son being the mediator making us worthy to approach God. I'm paraphrasing and being very vague, but that's it in a nutshell haha. It makes sense to me, course that might be because I'm in the religion. I just wondered who Jesus was praying to all the time, then found this doctrine and things sorta clicked haha

[Conchobar Macnessa]

Read the thread please...

POLYGAMY is not mainstream Mormon custom / practice. It's a radical element within the community...

Yes, do read the thread please...polygamy is a mainstream Mormon doctrine.

sigh. it's part of our history, not our practices. The only reason it's not a popular topic is because it was made so in European history because they wanted to preserve the 'pure royal lines.' Yeah, I know check my sources I'm on it, but it is commonly known that polygamy was regular practice back in ancient times.

[Bottle]

Celestial polygamy is absolutely an official Morman church policy. Don't obfuscate.

The following is a quote from the late Mormon prophet, Gordon B Hinkley,

“This Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church….If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”

It hasn't been an official church policy since 1890. So I fail to see how I am obfuscating the situation with 'extraneous information'.

Sure, in 1892 the Church publicly renounced polygamy...and President John Taylor then pulled select men aside and told them to continue practicing The Principle in secret. The Church does not really have a good reputation when it comes to being honest about this one.

Furthermore, anybody is able to read and learn the theology and doctrine of the mainstream church, and it clearly and specifically explains how celestial polygamy is a central element of the faith. It's not remotely obscure or hidden.

[Killerwaffles]

because their ugly ass cunts and look like this

[Conchobar Macnessa]

The following is a quote from the late Mormon prophet, Gordon B Hinkley,

“This Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church….If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”

It hasn't been an official church policy since 1890. So I fail to see how I am obfuscating the situation with 'extraneous information'.

Sure, in 1892 the Church publicly renounced polygamy...and President John Taylor then pulled select men aside and told them to continue practicing The Principle in secret. The Church does not really have a good reputation when it comes to being honest about this one.

Furthermore, anybody is able to read and learn the theology and doctrine of the mainstream church, and it clearly and specifically explains how celestial polygamy is a central element of the faith. It's not remotely obscure or hidden.

And that I'll concur, celestial polygamy is part of our doctrine, I won't hide it. But that's like cracking open a calculous book when you're starting addition and subtraction, there's a lot more behind it.

And I beg to not sound contentious, it's hard here in written form, but what's the source on the John Taylor thing? Was that from the FLDS? or wait RLDS?

[Deep Fried Salmon]

Atheist here.
Because they're annoying as hell, on all levels.

Examples based on people I've met:

Christians in general: Yeah I went to church this weekend, it was meh, but there was this new chick there, and man, she was so fine. But anyways, let's hurry up and smoke this dub.

Mormons: I went to the temple and it was the greatest experience of the week and my life and I felt the holy lords spirit flowing through me and hey you should come to the temple with me cause we teach good values and stuff and I used to masturbate to that's so raven but through the spirit of the lord I've stopped my urges and you should come to the temple with me and black people are the descendants of people who sided with Satan and Indians are descended from the people that killed the Israelites that came to America and blah blah gold plates blah blah blah blah polygamy blah blah blah blargity blah.